Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[DeletedUser539]

But I do wish they would address the 3C/4C vet issue. Injuries will happen. A guy who can play up or down and pk would be ideal.

Who is the next dannualt? We would be set with him as the 3c/4c maybe someone younger in a similar role also need a physical forward not unchained like Tom Wilson but wouldn't mind that either we need a guy who lives to throw hits not necessarily a goon and not saying our players don't play physical but we need a guy to push that pace of physical play finishes every check foreheads hard and is always a pain in the butt to play against

 

[Beerz]

Good, tbh. I did not want Kane here.

Me either tbh

 

[Tatanka]

Who is the next dannualt? We would be set with him as the 3c/4c maybe someone younger in a similar role also need a physical forward not unchained like Tom Wilson but wouldn't mind that either we need a guy who lives to throw hits not necessarily a goon and not saying our players don't play physical but we need a guy to push that pace of physical play finishes every check foreheads hard and is always a pain in the butt to play against

I don't want to wait for the next one. I want someone now. Someone mentioned Nico Sturm. That is an interesting propposal.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I don't want to wait for the next one. I want someone now. Someone mentioned Nico Sturm. That is an interesting propposal.

That was me. Not the flashiest pick up but durable, plays a responsible game, fairly cheap in both trade value and salary. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[DeletedUser539]

I don't want to wait for the next one. I want someone now. Someone mentioned Nico Sturm. That is an interesting propposal.

I haven't really watched him, and I should have worded it better but I also want a defensive stalwart bottom 6 c now too, but who are the current best players that fit that description I know analytics could help but you also have to see if those numbers are a product of a player's play and not system/teammates

 

[Djp]

Legitimate question here:

Did the Blackhawks have a guy with experience in building a winner before/as they built their team?
What about the Kings?
The Lightning had Yzerman, but he had never actually built anything as a front office guy before Tampa.

My instinct/memory is to say "No.". Tallon didn't have much of any sort of history before he built Chicago.
Lombardi kinda built the Sharks, but the Sharks never actually won anything before he got fired.

All of this to say -- I think the whole "hiring someone with experience in building a winner" is a bit overrated.

They had people on their staff.
Scotty bowman was an advisor and his kid became gm

I think you are exaggerating the doom and gloom of the state of this team here.

This team is not struggling because they are built terribly (and I am someone who has been critical of how they are built for years now - it is true that they are not built great and they are built terrible for the playoffs, but that is not the huge problem that is ailing them during this regular season.)

They are young.

If Dahlin, Power, Samuelson, Quinn, Peterka, Benson, Cozens, and Krebs were all 25-29 right now, this team would be smoking teams just on talent alone.

Granato's system has moving pieces. The players are expected to be interchangeable and then adapt to the given situations and it doesn't have a lot of structure.

For young players learning defensive responsibilities without a rigid structure, there is going to be expected growing pains. For the few young players that are playing without experiencing nerves of playing in the NHL, the transition will be hard. For most of the kids that are still experiencing nerves everytime they step on the ice, the process is probably quite daunting.

For these young kids I personally feel strongly that more structure is the better way to ease them into the roles. If they have a simplified job and they know what to do and where to be, they should be more effective and their adjustment should be a whole lot easier.

Granato is trying to do "more", but I don't know if his young team is up to it.

I agree the team is young ehivh is why I dislike people talking of selling the farm for dhort term fixes just to end a playoff drought.

drafted …who played/ will play 1 game this year
2023 Benson
2022 Kulich, Savoie
2021 Power, Rosen
2020 Quinn, Peterka , Levi*
2019 Cozens, Krebs*, Johnson
2018 Samuelsson, Dahlin , Rousek
2017 UPL, Mitts, Joker*, Bryson

that's 18 players

Kind of rooting for Kane to have a good season so we can retcon "CLASSIC ADAMS NOT MAKING THE NEEDED MOVE" with him.

im not worried.

 

[Chainshot]

I don't want to wait for the next one. I want someone now. Someone mentioned Nico Sturm. That is an interesting propposal.

I wonder at someone like Yakov Trenin from the Preds. Not a center but finishes his hits AND is defensively responsible. He's not someone who runs around looking to head hunt. He's more like someone like Carrier in his approach to physical play. He's a pending UFA however and I can't see them A) being interested and B) making a trade for a meat-and-potatoes type player.

 

[Tatanka]

I haven't really watched him, and I should have worded it better but I also want a defensive stalwart bottom 6 c now too, but who are the current best players that fit that description I know analytics could help but you also have to see if those numbers are a product of a player's play and not system/teammates

The problem right now is that very few teams feel like they are out of it. So targeting someone is difficult unless you go right to the openly rebuilding teams like SJ...maybe the Isles? Don't really know. But they have the currency to spend if they choose.

I wonder at someone like Yakov Trenin from the Preds. Not a center but finishes his hits AND is defensively responsible. He's not someone who runs around looking to head hunt. He's more like someone like Carrier in his approach to physical play. He's a pending UFA however and I can't see them A) being interested and B) making a trade for a meat-and-potatoes type player.

Interesting option as well. Like his game. Tofoli wo the finish

 

[DeletedUser539]

I wonder at someone like Yakov Trenin from the Preds. Not a center but finishes his hits AND is defensively responsible. He's not someone who runs around looking to head hunt. He's more like someone like Carrier in his approach to physical play. He's a pending UFA however and I can't see them A) being interested and B) making a trade for a meat-and-potatoes type player.

He would be a great fit for the bottom sixwhat would his value be? A 4th and 5th plus a b- prospect?

 

[Chainshot]

The problem right now is that very few teams feel like they are out of it. So targeting someone is difficult unless you go right to the openly rebuilding teams like SJ...maybe the Isles? Don't really know. But they have the currency to spend if they choose.


Interesting option as well. Like his game. Tofoli wo the finish

If it's a center, in a depth role, Acciari was another this summer but the Pens locked him up for 3 years and an 8 team NTC but that ship sailed. In regards to this year though, Ryan Carpenter might be someone to look at from the Sharks though he's probably more akin to older Jost.

He would be a great fit for the bottom sixwhat would his value be? A 4th and 5th plus a b- prospect?

Expiring contract who is a contact style player? Those guys get rented for more at the deadline by teams serious about trying to go far in the playoffs. Probably more of a 3rd or even a very late 2nd rounder (contender status) since teams seem to toss that around when they want to make a run.

 

[DeletedUser539]

If it's a center, in a depth role, Acciari was another this summer but the Pens locked him up for 3 years and an 8 team NTC but that ship sailed. In regards to this year though, Ryan Carpenter might be someone to look at from the Sharks though he's probably more akin to older Jost.



Expiring contract who is a contact style player? Those guys get rented for more at the deadline by teams serious about trying to go far in the playoffs. Probably more of a 3rd or even a very late 2nd rounder (contender status) since teams seem to toss that around when they want to make a run.

So probably a 2nd at deadline but that is the type of player we need in our lineup and a center version of that. The players I think are in positions to be moved are jost Krebs and vo but l like Krebs and his overall tenacity and compete but has by far the most value of those three players jost is alright as 13th forward but I would prefer something more stable at 4c and vo is starting to turn it back around but I think I would rather have someone like trenin in his spot where as vo is good in the top 9 I still want someone more physically inclined

 

[Chainshot]

So probably a 2nd at deadline but that is the type of player we need in our lineup and a center version of that. The players I think are in positions to be moved are jost Krebs and vo but l like Krebs and his overall tenacity and compete but has by far the most value of those three players jost is alright as 13th forward but I would prefer something more stable at 4c and vo is starting to turn it back around but I think I would rather have someone like trenin in his spot where as vo is good in the top 9 I still want someone more physically inclined

I think they should be looking at having an identity line of their own but that is going to take them having the confidence to make a move (as yet, they haven't) and to have a line that they commit to that style (as yet, only 2/3rds of one with KO/ZG and that's not always). Maybe they think Kozak is that guy in the future, though he still seems like a longshot and more of a 4th line type when he finally arrives.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Buffalo is by far the least attractive place to play in the Atlantic, a fact that is proven over and over again every season. Though, yes, you will always be able to find small, tiny incidents that can be looked at in a vacuum to convince yourself that this isn't true.

Start winning and equation changes.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

But I do wish they would address the 3C/4C vet issue. Injuries will happen. A guy who can play up or down and pk would be ideal.

For as talented a prospect pool as we have had last few years (and still have), this is the one role we really haven't been able to develop, because ideally the player to lock down that position would have come from within. Pekar busted, Biro is always injured, Kozak isn't ready (and he's no guarantee by any means). Sometimes it's a high pedigree guy who falls into that role, like Girgensons...but Asplund became a wing and still busted and Krebs isn't becoming that kind of player either. I had high hopes for Sean Malone maybe becoming a solid 4th liner for us a few years back, but that never materialized.

 

[Tatanka]

For as talented a prospect pool as we have had last few years (and still have), this is the one role we really haven't been able to develop, because ideally the player to lock down that position would have come from within. Pekar busted, Biro is always injured, Kozak isn't ready (and he's no guarantee by any means). Sometimes it's a high pedigree guy who falls into that role, like Girgensons...but Asplund became a wing and still busted and Krebs isn't becoming that kind of player either. I had high hopes for Sean Malone maybe becoming a solid 4th liner for us a few years back, but that never materialized.

The type of player I am thinking of you usually get from outside. Maybe no longer a top 6 guy but still with enough to contribute where needed. Sort of like Legwand did.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Start winning and equation changes.

The 13 years of pathetic play is 92% of the reason. You just need a good team but that’s too much to ask in buffalo.

 

[TehDoak]

Tired:

We didn't need to sign Kane, we have plenty of depth on wing

Wired:

We didn't need to burn a year of Benson's ELC, we have plenty of depth on wing.

 

[Irie]

I don't want to wait for the next one. I want someone now. Someone mentioned Nico Sturm. That is an interesting propposal.

Sturm would be a solid upgrade over Jost, for certain.

My issue is that a defensively responsible, Sturm does not bring much in the way of physicality, which I think this team is sorely lacking.

We saw it yesterday in the 2nd period, the Rangers started throwing high, somewhat late hits and they were targeting Benson and Peterka quite a bit.

The Sabres bottom six is Lady Bing worthy. Gus and Okposo are tough, but they are far from nasty, and opposition teams really have zero concern of retaliation against their stars if their goons start crossing the line and taking liberties.

Having a player or two that gives coaches like Laviolette or Cassidy pause about having 4th lines run the teams kids, for fear of retaliation against their Zibanejads, Eichels, Panarins, Karlssons or Marchessaults would go a long way to keeping opponents honest. It also has a way of breeding an infectious team toughness mentality in the dressing room that ups the team's battle level, which is something this team also could definitely use imo.

 

[HOOats]

Tired:

We didn't need to sign Kane, we have plenty of depth on wing

Wired:

We didn't need to burn a year of Benson's ELC, we have plenty of depth on wing.

 

[Tatanka]

Sturm would be a solid upgrade over Jost, for certain.

My issue is that a defensively responsible, Sturm does not bring much in the way of physicality, which I think this team is sorely lacking.

We saw it yesterday in the 2nd period, the Rangers started throwing high, somewhat late hits and they were targeting Benson and Peterka quite a bit.

The Sabres bottom six is Lady Bing worthy. Gus and Okposo are tough, but they are far from nasty, and opposition teams really have zero concern of retaliation against their stars if their goons start crossing the line and taking liberties.

Having a player or two that gives coaches like Laviolette or Cassidy pause about having 4th lines run the teams kids, for fear of retaliation against their Zibanejads, Eichels, Panarins, Karlssons or Marchessaults would go a long way to keeping opponents honest. It also has a way of breeding an infectious team toughness mentality in the dressing room that ups the team's battle level, which is something this team also could definitely use imo.

Can't think of anyone like that available, who plays C. Chain mentioned Trenin who has some of that. I think you could get Deslaurier as well. But neither take dzone face offs.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Levi was just sent down, FYI.

FINALLY coming to their senses.

 

[Chainshot]

Can't think of anyone like that available, who plays C. Chain mentioned Trenin who has some of that. I think you could get Deslaurier as well. But neither take dzone face offs.

Deslaurier is a waste of space in his own zone and chases hits at the expense of actually playing hockey. He's abjectly terrible and on a terrible contract.

Another who was available who can play an identity physical game was Eeli Tolvanen. And he was free.

 

[Chainshot]

 

[Tatanka]

Wow didn't think they had the stones.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Wow didn't think they had the stones.

I was starting to wonder if they really wanted to win this season. Things are making sense again!!