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Kane was a top notch player , playoff experience and he’s local. good reasons to sign him.


I did not realize that this procedure has had zero success rate beyond a handful of games. A 2 year contract seems a stretch but I guess he could go on ltir.

I would not be upset if he was signed depending on the contract size
 
Sabresfansince1980 said:
First, there is no choice between the two players. Even if you want to add a C there's no need to put one over the other. Cozens can easily move to RW. Mitts isn't necessarily a prototypical two-way C, but he's much more responsible and much less a defensive liability, so logic says keep Mitts at C if you want to make room for a new guy.
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Salary cap wise, there is. Yes, you could sign both Mittelstadt and a good two way middle six center and simply move someone to wing. But you already have Skinner, Tuch, Quinn, Peterka, Greenway, and one of Benson/Rousek/Kulich/Savoie (hopefully next year) as your top 9 wingers. And if we assume Mittelstadt at 6M and someone at 4-6M for C, I think next year you are OK....the year after when Peterka and Quinn are RFAs we have issues.


Sabresfansince1980 said:
Second, championship teams don't rob Peter to pay Paul. You oversimplify just looking at contract situations, and Mitts won't be at the useless end of his career at 32. You're talking about getting rid the of 2nd (arguably best) C on the team to fill another hole. It's a big ask to hope you end up with a net positive from that move. Meanwhile, there's quite the hole at the checking line C spot, that could be filled by, you know...a two-way or at least defensive C.
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Sure they do. Tampa moved Drouin for Sergachev when Drouin was still considered an elite center prospect. Colorado knew they had good d prospects coming and moved Barrie for Kadri. Vegas moved Tuch for Eichel. This is a common thing among good teams, to move a piece where they have depth to get a piece where they lack.

I like Mittelstadt and the steps he's taken last year and this year. The problem is we can't simply lock in every forward that is good long term when the team isn't making the playoffs year in and year out. At some point you have to make a change to change the complexion of the forward group if it isn't working.
 
TehDoak said:
Salary cap wise, there is. Yes, you could sign both Mittelstadt and a good two way middle six center and simply move someone to wing. But you already have Skinner, Tuch, Quinn, Peterka, Greenway, and one of Benson/Rousek/Kulich/Savoie (hopefully next year) as your top 9 wingers. And if we assume Mittelstadt at 6M and someone at 4-6M for C, I think next year you are OK....the year after when Peterka and Quinn are RFAs we have issues.




Sure they do. Tampa moved Drouin for Sergachev when Drouin was still considered an elite center prospect. Colorado knew they had good d prospects coming and moved Barrie for Kadri. Vegas moved Tuch for Eichel. This is a common thing among good teams, to move a piece where they have depth to get a piece where they lack.

I like Mittelstadt and the steps he's taken last year and this year. The problem is we can't simply lock in every forward that is good long term when the team isn't making the playoffs year in and year out. At some point you have to make a change to change the complexion of the forward group if it isn't working.
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Uh, so...if you're worried about cap issues why bother with any of this? If you think there's a problem with re-signing a good player for 6 mil, and getting outside help for another 4-6, may as well close up shop and call it quits.

The TB, Col, and Vegas examples are of filling in positional needs from positional strengths, or just getting that last final player they want for a Cup. You're talking about making a lateral move at best right when the player you're trading is reaching peak performance. Forest, trees...
 
Zman5778 said:
That hip surgery he had makes me very, very, very, very nervous.

Especially seeing what happened to Backstrom.

I suppose I can live with a one year deal......but anything more might be really stupid.
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If he truly sucks they can find a way to ltir him.
 
EXTRAS said:
This is a free asset. You don't need to trade assets to acquire him. In season there is no one else you can sign to upgrade. And Patty Kane may be a big upgrade for 2 years, we dunno.
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I don't care that it's a FA signing, the players KA needs to target are within reach via trade, and those assets have to go somewhere anyway. Not all will pan out or stay in Buffalo. Nobody moving the needle is coming via FA signings anyway. Those guys come through draft/trade, for Buffalo anyway.
 
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Sabresfansince1980 said:
I don't care that it's a FA signing, the players KA needs to target are within reach via trade, and those assets have to go somewhere anyway. Not all will pan out or stay in Buffalo. Nobody moving the needle is coming via FA signings anyway. Those guys come through draft/trade, for Buffalo anyway.
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High end players coming in through trade are rare. Just because hfboards folks say we could get so and so doesn't mean the other gm is interested in trading the difference making player, or that there aren't 30 other teams that are willing to pay for the player. Waiting for the what if when you've got something that may make a difference within grasp can end up being a mistake. It's just a 2 year deal. Not 4 or 5.
 
Sabresfansince1980 said:
Uh, so...if you're worried about cap issues why bother with any of this? If you think there's a problem with re-signing a good player for 6 mil, and getting outside help for another 4-6, may as well close up shop and call it quits.

The TB, Col, and Vegas examples are of filling in positional needs from positional strengths, or just getting that last final player they want for a Cup. You're talking about making a lateral move at best right when the player you're trading is reaching peak performance. Forest, trees...
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You are basing this one what? 50 games total for Mittelstadt?

He's been good, sure. And I think he'll get paid. Time will tell if this is sustainable for him or simply him eating up playing against other teams 3rd pair in favorable deployments.

And for the record, giving up the "best player" in a trade where you address a key need for your team isn't losing the trade. It's simply paying the price needed to improve your team.
 
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High end players coming in through trade are rare. Just because hfboards folks say we could get so and so doesn't mean the other gm is interested in trading the difference making player, or that there aren't 30 other teams that are willing to pay for the player. Waiting for the what if when you've got something that may make a difference within grasp can end up being a mistake. It's just a 2 year deal. Not 4 or 5.
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You say "high end players" when I said, "the players KA needs to target". Not exactly the same. I'm talking about Sturm to play 4C, or Sissons...Niederreiter as a heavy go-to-the-net winger. Those guys are within reach via trade. Either this season or the summer. Lindholm is the highest end guy I hope KA might go after but I just don't think he'll set his sights that high.

Kane is a desperation move that even if he turns out "well", the best we can hope for is a 60 pt pace winger that helps the PP without being a defensive train wreck. At full health, he is NOT the player Buffalo needs.
 
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TehDoak said:
You are basing this one what? 50 games total for Mittelstadt?

He's been good, sure. And I think he'll get paid. Time will tell if this is sustainable for him or simply him eating up playing against other teams 3rd pair in favorable deployments.

And for the record, giving up the "best player" in a trade where you address a key need for your team isn't losing the trade. It's simply paying the price needed to improve your team.
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3rd pair D pairs? You deny Mittelstadt is going to play consistently at this level? This is just a circular discussion where you continuously bring up some new lame excuse to justify trading a good player that you don't like very much, circular like crap going down a toilet. Useless convo.
 
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P. Kane 1 year 2 million I would probably go as high as 4m if its 1 year.

Its a win-win signing.

Trade him at the deadline and retain if Sabres are out of the playoffs. If he is producing we might get a 2nd rounder or even a prospect.

EDIT: Just saw the Tweet that Kane will sign 2 years for 8m with a 4m per year. Not sure its legit. If he signs would prefer a 1 year contract because you have nothing to lose but an extra year is not a big deal if its 4m
 
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Chainshot said:
Backstrom talked about not being able to bend his leg or play with his children before the procedure. I think that had more to do with it then anything else.
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Perhaps I phrased my question poorly. If only 10% (or even less) ever get back to the level of a professional hockey player, then maybe these players should just stop trying to come back after it. It's a career ending surgery that will give you better quality of life after the game. Not a surgery to get you back to playing shape.
 
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Zman5778 said:
Are they though? Like all the goalies that moved this offseason?

It's not that easy to trade players. If it were, trades would happen all the time.



Plus there's the always annoying question --- does what you/we think that the Sabres need align with what KA thinks the Sabres need?
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I really don't get this. There are built-in challenges to trades, we all know this. I was replying to someone characterizing my previous post as targeting "high end players" for trade. I reply saying no, and you reply to that saying trades aren't easy?? I get that, but the players KA should target are players that get traded every year. This isn't one of those arguments proposing a McDavid trade. I'm talking about Nico Sturm who's got just under two years left playing for a bottom feeding team about to re-build, and a couple other guys on short term contracts on teams that aren't far off from where SJ is.

Surely we aren't as a board so cynical that we can't hope/expect such lower level trade targets to be in the plans for the Sabres front office???
 
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Sabresfansince1980 said:
I'm talking about Nico Sturm who's got just under two years left playing for a bottom feeding team about to re-build, and a couple other guys on short term contracts on teams that aren't far off from where SJ is.

Surely we aren't as a board so cynical that we can't hope/expect such lower level trade targets to be in the plans for the Sabres front office???
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I hope Adams makes those types of moves.

I don't expect them.
 
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Easier said than done, probably stating the obvious but arguably now is the time to make moves for these less sought after roster pieces. The price will only go up when we get squeezed against the cap.

Using Tampa as the lazy example, as @TehDoak said Drouin for Sergachev was a great trade, better than the later but essential acquisitions of Coleman and Goodrow for high prices. If we can get ahead of the game and target more role players earlier we can maximise our assets to move established assets for cheaper young players to extend the window.

I like Adams, I'm absolutely not advocating we change, he has got us in a great position and the feels are great. It might be recency bias with bringing back the forward group unchanged but that ruthless business hat to make the tough choices which is a common the most successful franchises, I just don't see it in him. I am concerned that it could hold us back down the road.

Sorry if it's already been said, I've not read every page.
 
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Sabresfansince1980 said:
I really don't get this. There are built-in challenges to trades, we all know this. I was replying to someone characterizing my previous post as targeting "high end players" for trade. I reply saying no, and you reply to that saying trades aren't easy?? I get that, but the players KA should target are players that get traded every year. This isn't one of those arguments proposing a McDavid trade. I'm talking about Nico Sturm who's got just under two years left playing for a bottom feeding team about to re-build, and a couple other guys on short term contracts on teams that aren't far off from where SJ is.

Surely we aren't as a board so cynical that we can't hope/expect such lower level trade targets to be in the plans for the Sabres front office???
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Something like Labanc+Sturm for Olofsson+2025 3rd would be great.
 
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