Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[sabremike]

So I see the Expected Buffalo folks are getting their twitter cult riled up about Ryan Johnson -- do they really expect Adams and Donny to play him over Eric Johnson? Over Clifton? What planet are these people living on?

I will always wonder what would happen if an organization decided to throw away all backwards dinosaur thinking like "Terrible vets being paid stay in the lineup over kid who would likely be a significant inprovement"?

 

[BuffaloGooner]

Before R. Johnson signed, they were tired of waiting on him and and ready to move on. Now he has played 3-4 games and the thought of playing the 6 healthy vets ahead of him is akin to giving up on the season. They are two emotional wrecks.

Lol that’s not at all what they said.

In the offseason, before July, Chad said he was signing and stuck to it. And then he signed

Why is it so hard to believe a 22 year old that played all 4 years in college might be NHL ready?

 

[Bendium]

When Kane signs with Buffalo ?

Lines with him ?

They will be lines ...... out the door!

 

[zenthusiast]

I don’t think it’s crazy to suggest that Johnson might be a better option than some of his veteran peers based solely on the small sample we’ve seen. Being surprised that NHL teams do business differently is a bit much though

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

So I see the Expected Buffalo folks are getting their twitter cult riled up about Ryan Johnson -- do they really expect Adams and Donny to play him over Eric Johnson? Over Clifton? What planet are these people living on?

I was listening to the pod while working so I didn't completely pay attention but it sounds like they would sit Erik Johnson.

They really don't like Sammy and Dahls together for some reason and think RyJo has "unlocked" Dahlin's offensive ability. Although I've enjoyed the Dahlin-RyJo pairing, I don't see a problem with the Samuelsson-Dahlin pair either..

I'm a complete pigeon when it comes to analytics so I am sure there is data to back it up but either way, I don't see EJ sitting unless for a maintenance day in which your #7 (Bryson) would fill in.

 

[MOGlLNY]

I don’t think it’s crazy to suggest that Johnson might be a better option than some of his veteran peers based solely on the small sample we’ve seen. Being surprised that NHL teams do business differently is a bit much though

Exactly. Things like signing a respected guy like EJ then benching him for a rookie is really bad look. Especially when he’s been a huge part of the PK.

 

[Archie Lee]

Lol that’s not at all what they said.

In the offseason, before July, Chad said he was signing and stuck to it. And then he signed

Why is it so hard to believe a 22 year old that played all 4 years in college might be NHL ready?

I never said he isn't ready. I think he is.

I'm not convinced he is better than Samuelsson, Clifton or Jokiharju at this point and he is not likely a better penalty killer than E. Johnson.

What I'm getting at is their general view that any roster move they don't agree with is evidence that someone other than them is incompetent.

 

[MOGlLNY]

 

[sabremike]

I never said he isn't ready. I think he is.

I'm not convinced he is better than Samuelsson, Clifton or Jokiharju at this point and he is not likely a better penalty killer than E. Johnson.

What I'm getting at is their general view that any roster move they don't agree with is evidence that someone other than them is incompetent.

The past 13 seasons strongly suggest they are in fact smarter and more competent than the organization.

 

[Chainshot]

Hope everyone is okay.

 

[MOGlLNY]

I never said he isn't ready. I think he is.

I'm not convinced he is better than Samuelsson, Clifton or Jokiharju at this point and he is not likely a better penalty killer than E. Johnson.

What I'm getting at is their general view that any roster move they don't agree with is evidence that someone other than them is incompetent.

I wouldn’t even mind the decision if they did it, I’ve really liked RJ. But, there’s a lot more factors at play that you can’t see by looking at a chart as to why they can’t sit EJ for him.

The room is a thing, reputation around the league is a thing and scratching EJ and potentially having him sour on Granato when how many guys have said they really like EJ could end up very bad for the room.

Unfortunately it’s the same thing for Okposo.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I was listening to the pod while working so I didn't completely pay attention but it sounds like they would sit Erik Johnson.

They really don't like Sammy and Dahls together for some reason and think RyJo has "unlocked" Dahlin's offensive ability. Although I've enjoyed the Dahlin-RyJo pairing, I don't see a problem with the Samuelsson-Dahlin pair either..

I'm a complete pigeon when it comes to analytics so I am sure there is data to back it up but either way, I don't see EJ sitting unless for a maintenance day in which your #7 (Bryson) would fill in.

It's not a horrible opinion to have, it's just so weird to make that a thing when it really has no impact on how the team is playing right now. And it's completely unrealistic based on everything we know about Donny and Kevyn.

They're making a stink that their #7 defenseman should really be their #6 defenseman . If fans are arguing about that, I would assume your team is first in the standings already because swapping #6 and #7 defenseman isn't a thing you do to noticably fix a team that needs fixing.

 

[joshjull]

The past 13 seasons strongly suggest they are in fact smarter and more competent than the organization.

Whats the point of this take? Our current front office has only existed since the 2021 offseason. Many of the members of it are universally viewed as some of the brightest analytics minds in the game. The xBuffalo guys were doing circle jerks when they were hired.

I don’t think the xBuffalo guys understand analytics or the sport in general as well as the think they do. In general, they make fools of themselves ranting about things they don’t agree with.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I never said he isn't ready. I think he is.

I'm not convinced he is better than Samuelsson, Clifton or Jokiharju at this point and he is not likely a better penalty killer than E. Johnson.

What I'm getting at is their general view that any roster move they don't agree with is evidence that someone other than them is incompetent.

Exactly...that was a better way to say what I was trying to say.

 

[TageGod]

The odds of all 6 of our D being healthy are not high. Johnson can sit a few here and there but he earned the right to stay up.

 

[Chainshot]

The odds of all 6 of our D being healthy are not high. Johnson can sit a few here and there but he earned the right to stay up.

The #7 guy usually plays about 50 games per season while the #8 plays a couple dozen. They've already put Johnson in over Bryson so it seems they feel he's their best injury replacement option.

 

[sabremike]

Whats the point of this take? Our current front office has only existed since the 2021 offseason. Many of the members of it are universally viewed as some of the brightest analytics minds in the game. The xBuffalo guys were doing circle jerks when they were hired.

I don’t think the xBuffalo guys understand analytics or the sport in general as well as the think they do. In general, they make fools of themselves ranting about things they don’t agree with.

The team is trending down real bad and the organization's answer appears to be offering Kane a multi year deal when no sane team would offer anything but a no risk one year "prove it" deal.

 

[Tatanka]

RJ going back down was preordained. The contract slots dictate it along with waiver eligibility. He will be back, most likely at various points during the season. That we are in the position where he is a better option than the off season acquisition of Clifford is one that could not easily been foreseen.

 

[joshjull]

I was listening to the pod while working so I didn't completely pay attention but it sounds like they would sit Erik Johnson.

They really don't like Sammy and Dahls together for some reason and think RyJo has "unlocked" Dahlin's offensive ability. Although I've enjoyed the Dahlin-RyJo pairing, I don't see a problem with the Samuelsson-Dahlin pair either..

I'm a complete pigeon when it comes to analytics so I am sure there is data to back it up but either way, I don't see EJ sitting unless for a maintenance day in which your #7 (Bryson) would fill in.

There is no data to back their argument.

The team is trending down real bad and the organization's answer appears to be offering Kane a multi year deal when no sane team would offer anything but a no risk one year "prove it" deal.

They're .500 and in the thick of things. They need to play better and there are things that deserve criticism. But the never ending histrionics on here and Sabres twitter over the situation is exhausting.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Hope everyone is okay.

You had a feeling it was a personal family matter from Donny's tone during his post game interview

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

The past 13 seasons strongly suggest they are in fact smarter and more competent than the organization.

Lol maybe on opposite day. They're wrong about more than the average HF poster, and are in a complete twitter echo chamber so they don't even see, much less consider differing opinions.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

The team is trending down real bad and the organization's answer appears to be offering Kane a multi year deal when no sane team would offer anything but a no risk one year "prove it" deal.

I have faith that a couple of internet hacks are doing the usual rumor mongering. Don't get too excited quite yet, unless we hear something from KA.

 

[sabremike]

There is no data to back their argument.


They're .500 and in the thick of things. They need to play better and there are things that deserve criticism. But the never ending histrionics on here and Sabres twitter over the situation is exhausting.

They are insanely lucky to be at .500. They have been outplayed in the vast majority of games this season and usually by a significant margin (at least 2 wins were below 15% on the WinOMeter). If the team continues to play at this level they will not be .500 for very long and in fact will be well below it in short order.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Whats the point of this take? Our current front office has only existed since the 2021 offseason. Many of the members of it are universally viewed as some of the brightest analytics minds in the game. The xBuffalo guys were doing circle jerks when they were hired.

I don’t think the xBuffalo guys understand analytics or the sport in general as well as the think they do. In general, they make fools of themselves ranting about things they don’t agree with.

100%.

Part of the problem might be the twitter algorithm, which creates an echo chamber with no "devil's advocate" to cause them to think critically about some of the more nonsensical takes.

I do like Chad and think he's upped his game notably over the past few years, but I don't feel Anthony takes it seriously enough to be able to engage in thoughtful discussion. They could use another host (or two) who doesn't agree with everything they say.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

They are insanely lucky to be at .500. They have been outplayed in the vast majority of games this season and usually by a significant margin (at least 2 wins were below 15% on the WinOMeter). If the team continues to play at this level they will not be .500 for very long and in fact will be well below it in short order.

Sitting Eric Johnson for Ryan Johnson doesn't fix that -- it's an unserious idea.