Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

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I'm not disagreeing. Problem is that you need trade for both. Not sure I want to strip the cupboards THAT bare for two divisional rivals.
Yeah lets keep doing the same lol. (not a shot at you at all btw).

Cirelli for our 1st

Brady for JJ, Joker, 1 of Savoie/Kulich/Rosen and a 2025 2nd. Maybe another small add I suppose.

cupboards aren't bare. We wont have roster spots for all the "young" guys anyways if we add both and sign a 4th liner type anyways.
 
Brady is a bitch who cries when the team loses. I’ve had my fill of whiney divas for the time being. Especially at that cost.
 
Brady is a bitch who cries when the team loses. I’ve had my fill of whiney divas for the time being. Especially at that cost.

nooooo not players who hate to lose!

Remember when he had O'reilly? Man what a loser.

And Eichel too. He hated losing.

What happened to those guys?

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It said they weren't winning any more Cups. So it probably is a team which won a Cup, and then went youth movement.

That really limits it then.

Could be Detroit, they went heavy youth and lots of guys didn't pan out. Stevie Y also has been aggressively adding veterans the last few years as well.

LA would be the other one.

Pittsburgh didn't trade off his veteran core.

Could be Rutherford and Carolina too. They had years of futility.
 
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Are you taking a page from some poster's playbooks and just saying things often enough to try to make it true?

Nah.

But, I don't think "Guys complain when they lose" is a valid complaint. It's much more worrisome when guys aren't upset when they lose.

The complacency is the real problem here.
 
I still think you are misattributing Eichel's entitled antics to competitive drive.

Eichel was exactly who you said he is. He was a spoiled brat. Part of that is on our front office for coddling him and him having no accountability and letting it get out of hand.

Some of the worlds biggest assholes are the most competitive people.

You aren't going to win many championships with the power of friendship.
 
Yeah lets keep doing the same lol. (not a shot at you at all btw).

Cirelli for our 1st

Brady for JJ, Joker, 1 of Savoie/Kulich/Rosen and a 2025 2nd. Maybe another small add I suppose.

cupboards aren't bare. We wont have roster spots for all the "young" guys anyways if we add both and sign a 4th liner type anyways.
It would most likely take ALOT more than the 1st rounder to get Cirelli. He's on a very team friendly deal, locked in long term without any restrictions. You're most likely looking at adding in pieces like Ryan Johnson or a Sammy to that 1st rounder.

If you're trading for Brady, and only using young players/prospects, Joker most likely isn't being asked for. I'd estimate that Power, Quinn, Kulich, + additional picks (possibly) would be the starting point of the quality of package. Tkachuk is Ottawa's franchise guy, and captain.

Right now, we don't have enough prospects developed to the point where we can afford to lose our current higher valued assets and feel comfortable enough losing them.

Right now, we are pretty thin in NHL ready prospects. We can possibly get in a better position down the road, but there's a lot of questions on the prospects in our system.
 
I fully believe we do not need to trade for superstars as we have lots of players who could potentially be in that tier. We need a coaching staff that can develop our players into that caliber.

Out of all the talent under 23 in our org, we are bound to have one or two that can get to that top tier. We haven’t had a staff that can take the players both collectively and individually to the next level in a long time.

I am not totally against going after a big time player via trade but I think we have the pieces we need, just not the right personnel to assemble It.
 
I see Peterka as part of the top 2 lines as a scoring winger, so I don't underrate him. You don't get a player like Tkachuk without giving up good players.

So Vegas got Eichel, who hasn't carried the team, but became the #1 C they needed as part of the team. He's never carried them.

Huberdeau and Weegar, at the time of the Matthew Tkachuk trade, was a big trade package. I'd place it higher than what I offered for Brady Tkachuk. It's about what Vegas traded for Eichel.
Peterka, an uprotected BUF 1st, one of the top prospects in the league, and a top 6 RD is much more than either got. It would be one of the biggest returns of the last 20 years.

Huberdeau & Weegar were also both rentals.

"So Vegas got Eichel, who hasn't carried the team, but became the #1 C they needed as part of the team. He's never carried them."

He didn't need to. Eichel went to a contender. They were in the semi-finals the season before. We're not a contender that's one piece away from winning a cup. That would be one of the only reasons to justify trading so much.
 
Let's not forget that Kasper's father talked about how he thought Marco was going to Buffalo, that Buffalo was pre-draft rumored to be very interested in him too.
I was on the Kasper train and wanted him over Savoie. Hell, I was on the Danielson train and Stevie Y ruined that also, though Benson was a nice consolation prize. Fortunately it looks like Buffalo will be drafting ahead of Detroit
 
Eichel was exactly who you said he is. He was a spoiled brat. Part of that is on our front office for coddling him and him having no accountability and letting it get out of hand.

Some of the worlds biggest assholes are the most competitive people.

You aren't going to win many championships with the power of friendship.
You mean life isn't like naruto?
 


This was a fantastic read, thanks for posting!

I've been thinking a lot about the slow start to the season, and the slow starts to our games. This issue almost universally gets thrown on Granato and his staff around here and on social media.

This might be an unpopular take around here, but I'm firmly of the belief that this falls squarely on the players. They still don't understand what it means to be a pro, and given their collective ages it's not surprising at all. There's a quote from this piece that really resonates on this topic. Here is Trotz talking about acquiring Nyquist:

...I saw professionalism. I saw a player who is a pro. People don’t understand if they aren’t in the dressing room, not around the day-to-day of the player, you sometimes have this perception that a guy’s a pro who works hard because that’s what you see on the ice. But being a pro is not just working hard on the ice. It’s how you deal with stuff, how you interact, how you balance family life and recovery. The sport demands a lot from you. Walking out of the rink, you could see it, how he worked in practice, how he prepared himself, how he interacted. You hear from other coaches. And you also just watch the game and you can always tell which players the coaches really trust when it counts. And he was always a guy I felt would be good around our younger group.

The players here still don't get this. Early in the season you could see how rusty their passing and their hands were. Some couldn't stick handle, some couldn't receive passes, some were wildly inaccurate on both passes and shots. That screams a lack of offseason preparation, and I'm not referring to workouts in the gym.

Later Trotz talked about the decision to not go to Vegas early so the players could attend the U2 concert. He had this to say:

If we lost three games, we played our balls off, I wouldn’t care. But if you’re not going to put the time and energy in and the focus to give yourself a chance, there’s no reason we should be rewarded for that. To me that’s a losing culture, not a winning culture. Right after the Dallas game, I walked in and said, “It doesn’t morally feel right that we should be going to Vegas early to reward these guys.” Not just to me but to the people we were supposed to play in front of every night. That was a quick conversation. I talked to Roman Josi and leadership and said, “Just to let you know, we are coming back after St. Louis and we’ve got to get our right mindset.”

Man, I can't help but think about the kids all vacationing together at last years' all star break, or during the offseason. It's not the same situation at all (apples to oranges), and Adams & Granato can't control what the players do during their time off, but the takeaway is that I sure hope they recognize the teams' mindset and know how to address things when the mindset isn't right. These past two years it seems like the team has come out of long breaks and looked extremely sluggish every time.

Even though I mentioned both Adams and Granato, at the end of the day I still think it's on the players to become pros. At worst we can blame Adams for going with such a young lineup, but his attempts to bring in vets have not worked. It's not going to work with so many kids already in key roles.

So now the kids need to grow up, understand what it takes to be a pro, and start acting like it for the entire 82 game season. (I'm hopeful this letdown is exactly the kick in the ass they needed going into the offseason)
 
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It would most likely take ALOT more than the 1st rounder to get Cirelli. He's on a very team friendly deal, locked in long term without any restrictions. You're most likely looking at adding in pieces like Ryan Johnson or a Sammy to that 1st rounder.

If you're trading for Brady, and only using young players/prospects, Joker most likely isn't being asked for. I'd estimate that Power, Quinn, Kulich, + additional picks (possibly) would be the starting point of the quality of package. Tkachuk is Ottawa's franchise guy, and captain.

Right now, we don't have enough prospects developed to the point where we can afford to lose our current higher valued assets and feel comfortable enough losing them.

Right now, we are pretty thin in NHL ready prospects. We can possibly get in a better position down the road, but there's a lot of questions on the prospects in our system.
Disagree on cirelli at least. Hes not really one friendly contract for the number counters and Tampa is in an interesting cap situation especially with the Stamkos situation.

Your package for Brady is way more than others here have been discussing. If that's the price then of course you balk at it.
 
I think Cozens still has a strong chance to end up being good. But everyone else on this list? I don't think we'd miss them at all.
I think Greenway helps a lot defensively and on the PK and Jokiharju has been solid this season. Only thing that irks me about Greenway is the same with Dahlin and Benson.....every zebra has a short leash for them when it comes to penalties.
 
Peters wants to trade our first or either of Savoie or Kulich for Kadri in his age 34 - 39 seasons.

Then more for some of the worst players in the league on terrible contracts like Gudbranson. Because we “don’t need skill” on a team that won’t have a 60 point forward in a season where scoring is up in the league

The bar has been set for worst off-season idea.
 
Peters wants to trade our first or either of Savoie or Kulich for Kadri in his age 34 - 39 seasons.

Then more for some of the worst players in the league on terrible contracts like Gudbranson. Because we “don’t need skill” on a team that won’t have a 60 point forward in a season where scoring is up in the league

The bar has been set for worst off-season idea.
Peters is actually like Vince Russo in WCW: Russo could see the big picture issue that was killing the company (stale older stars staying on top preventing younger stars from rising) but his vision of what the product should be was so awful and out of touch with what people wanted he failed miserably.
 
This was a fantastic read, thanks for posting!

I've been thinking a lot about the slow start to the season, and the slow starts to our games. This issue almost universally gets thrown on Granato and his staff around here and on social media.

This might be an unpopular take around here, but I'm firmly of the belief that this falls squarely on the players. They still don't understand what it means to be a pro, and given their collective ages it's not surprising at all. There's a quote from this piece that really resonates on this topic. Here is Trotz talking about acquiring Nyquist:



The players here still don't get this. Early in the season you could see how rusty their passing and their hands were. Some couldn't stick handle, some couldn't receive passes, some were wildly inaccurate on both passes and shots. That screams a lack of offseason preparation, and I'm not referring to workouts in the gym.

Later Trotz talked about the decision to not go to Vegas early so the players could attend the U2 concert. He had this to say:



Man, I can't help but think about the kids all vacationing together at last years' all star break, or during the offseason. It's not the same situation at all (apples to oranges), and Adams & Granato can't control what the players do during their time off, but the takeaway is that I sure hope they recognize the teams' mindset and know how to address things when the mindset isn't right. These past two years it seems like the team has come out of long breaks and looked extremely sluggish every time.

Even though I mentioned both Adams and Granato, at the end of the day I still think it's on the players to become pros. At worst we can blame Adams for going with such a young lineup, but his attempts to bring in vets have not worked. It's not going to work with so many kids already in key roles.

So now the kids need to grow up, understand what it takes to be a pro, and start acting like it for the entire 82 game season. (I'm hopeful this letdown is exactly the kick in the ass they needed going into the offseason)
It is definitely on the players. Granato should take some heat as well, if your going with this roster you have to take responsibility to show these guys what it means to be a pro. Putting Peca on the bench would have been nice, telling Kevyn to do whatever it takes to get Vic off the team (I still think that was a negative cloud), playing Levi, not benching key guys when they are struggling for a guy like Benson or Krebs.

I am not in the day to day but you could just feel the first few games, they were dumbfounded that they just didn't step into last year's energy and pace. This was a sophomore slump for a lot of guys and they need to figure out what they are, looking at you Owen and Dylan.

nooooo not players who hate to lose!

Remember when he had O'reilly? Man what a loser.

And Eichel too. He hated losing.

What happened to those guys?

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At least get a picture of O'Reilly with the cup...
 
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