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Have you watched Power in the Sabres zone when he doesn't have the puck?
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Have you watched Power in the Sabres zone when he doesn't have the puck?
Der Jaeger
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I’m not. Peterka has room to grow for sure but he’s never going to impact a game like Tkachuk. Look at the difference his brother makes. And they’re the same player. The difference is the Sens don’t have the team.
Put Brady Tkachuk on the Sabres and you get the same impact.
The Blunder Years
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Honestly all I can hope for this off-season is replacing our coaching staff with a group of proven veteran winners. Also moving on from Joker and Olofsson. Hope I never have to see either one in a Sabres jersey again.
sabremike
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Remember that time the Whalers came to the conclusion that "sawft" Ron Francis was the thing holding them back and not the incompetent owner, GM and coach so they got rid of him and five years later North Carolina ended up with a hockey team?
PatLaFontaineASMR
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His brother is better than him lol. They're not the same player. His brother had 104 points and 42 goals at Brady's age. Sens do have a team. I don't see how their lineup is so far different than ours. Plenty of young talent.
If Brady can't carry the Sens why do you think he will carry the Sabres? We're in the same boat as the Sens.
"Peterka has room to grow for sure but he’s never going to impact a game like Tkachuk" And how do you know this? I mean you mentioned trading away a 50 goal scorer in Reinhart. How do we know Peterka couldn't achieve that? He's already shown more goal scoring ability than Sam did playing on a line w/ Eichel.
They are actually reasonably close:
Brady Tkachuk (2019-2024) vs. Matthew Tkachuk (2017-2022): Head-to-Head Stats Comparison | Stathead.com
Compare Players: Check out the head-to-head stats of Brady Tkachuk (2019-2024) and Matthew Tkachuk (2017-2022) including their awards, honors, championships, playoff and regular season stats, and much more on Stathead.com
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Matthew played on better teams in Calgary and he's put up better numbers.
I'd be intrigued if he was available AND Ottawa was willing to deal within the division.
He is the type of player we need. Prime aged Power forward signed for 5 more years.
Needs to be done in conjunction with a coaching change, if you do it.
Old Navy Goat
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Peterka's issue is his weak defense. Unless he's scoring he's as useless as Skinner. Tkachuk impacts the game through his physicality, his 200' game.
PatLaFontaineASMR
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Brady still hasn't come close to Matthew's 21-22 season before he got traded. The most important factor is where they're at now. I'm not really concerned with comparing their 19 year old seasons, especially since one came into the league when scoring was much lower at 2.77 goals per game vs. Brady's rookie season at 3.01 goals per game.
Their 21-24 year old seasons when playing in higher scoring
Matthew: .99 PPG (115 goals / 285 games)
Brady: .86 PPG (116 goals / 293 games)
Similar goal totals, but Matthew had higher production.
He may be available in the future, but Ottawa dealing him in the division would never happen. I doubt they'd even trade in the same conference. Would be a team in the West.
If the cost was reasonable I'd do it. Trading Peterka & unprotected 1st + Kulich/Savoie is a hard no though.
PatLaFontaineASMR
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Which is funny because Tkachuk gets a ton of criticism for his defensive play.
Old Navy Goat
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Jim Bob
RIP RJ
I think Brady's defensive game is overrated by many because he has size and plays with an edge.
Tkachuk adds an element the Sabres need. I just think his leadership is vastly overrated given how Ottawa has done since he's gotten the C and some of his braindead antics where his emotions get the better of him.
Old Navy Goat
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Posted with no reply for some reason. I don't think he's great defensively but he puts forth an effort and makes things miserable for the opposition. If Peterka put forth a consistent effort, I'd be happy...skate hard, fill a lane, don't blow the zone early every time, you know the simple things
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
Tkachuk's effort to try and be miserable also can lead him to not be disciplined positionally and he can get drawn out of position by chasing a hit. And one thing that worries me is that he may not be willing or able to change that issue with his game.
I think getting JJP to be more responsible in his own zone and not blowing the zone early is an easier fix than the issues with Tkachuk's defensive game.
MarkusKetterer
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They are actually reasonably close:
Brady Tkachuk (2019-2024) vs. Matthew Tkachuk (2017-2022): Head-to-Head Stats Comparison | Stathead.com
Compare Players: Check out the head-to-head stats of Brady Tkachuk (2019-2024) and Matthew Tkachuk (2017-2022) including their awards, honors, championships, playoff and regular season stats, and much more on Stathead.com
Matthew played on better teams in Calgary and he's put up better numbers.
I'd be intrigued if he was available AND Ottawa was willing to deal within the division.
He is the type of player we need. Prime aged Power forward signed for 5 more years.
Needs to be done in conjunction with a coaching change, if you do it.
Screw it. Let’s go Calgary and Toronto in 1991 trade.
Sabres get: Tkachuk, Pinto, Grieg, Zub
Sens get: Savoie, Peterka, Joker, 2025 1st, Kulich, Krebs and a partridge in a pear tree*
*actually a raspberry bush, as pear trees can’t grow in Canada unless they’re in a greenhouse
sabremike
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PatLaFontaineASMR
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I mean he does lol. Him being lazy on D has certainly been an issue. He's also not a great skater so he gets exploited a ton by other teams. They usually feast offensively when he's on the ice.
He's definitley capable of improving defensively just like Peterka is, but Tkachuk's defensive game is a huge weak point.
Der Jaeger
Generational EBUG
You seems to be wedded to points. Check out the metrics posted above by @Jim Bob they aren't close to being the same player (Tkachuk and Peterka).
Tkachuk carrying the Sabres is a straw man argument which I never made. I think he's a great fit for what the Sabres need. Two completely different arguments.
Reinhart forced his way out by indicating the management that he wasn't re-signing. There's a huge difference. Reinhart could've been the centerpiece of the rebuild had he said that he'd re-sign. That's a large difference between trading away Peterka.
Are you comparing Peterka and Reinhart on just goal amounts? Reinhart scored 23 goals in his first full NHL season, largely playing with O'Reilly. And he wasn't getting goals as gifts from other players (I proved that ad naseum years ago). Reinhart is a consistent 20 goal player with the Sabres who developed into a 30 goal scorer with the Panthers.
Peterka scored 12 goals in his first full NHL season and he's close to 30 in his second. That's hardly showing more goal scoring ability, particularly since Reinhart had the ability to score multiple way early on, and Peterka is largely beating goalies with a mid range shot.
How do you know Tkachuk is toxic? The Sabres locker room certainly is anything but toxic.
That's a term thrown around way too much without much actual proof, much less a definition of what toxic means.
Toxic work environments are places with a lot of conflict which comes from certain aspects of the work environment. No trust, zero tolerance for mistakes, unfair treatment, no limits or boundaries on behavior, no growth potential, and no values.
The Sabres organization again hasn't produces a winner, but the team is hardly a toxic organization.
Aladyyn
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Peterka consistently beating NHL goalies with his shot definitely shows goalscoring ability way beyond what Sam showed in his early years.
OkimLom
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RE: Tkachuk/Peterka discussion
Not sure why people need to tear one down to boost the other. The Sabres need both types of players, but if the request from Ottawa was Peterka, I would gladly trade him away for what Tkachuk is as a player. For what ails this team, for the sort of impact he can have on his teammates, I think Tkachuk is a lot more valuable, and would be more valuable to the organization especially when the main concern for this team is consistently "getting ready to play", than his production numbers would be, which aren't too bad to begin with.
In a perfect world, I would love to keep Peterka and have Tkachuk as I think that would be a fantastic winger duo together.
We need a lot of bite, which needs to be addressed by management in the offseason. Whether that's of the play on the ice, or that presence in the locker room. Tkachuk is exactly the sort of personality of team NEEDS. He would be a player I would absolutely trade any of the next two years' 1st rounders for.
As soon as people in the organization understand, and the fans understand, that winning consistently, you need to have a pr***ish sort of behavior from the players on your team, maybe then they will make headway in their progress. Otherwise, they can and will continue to play in the less valuable areas of the ice every night.
Not sure why people need to tear one down to boost the other. The Sabres need both types of players, but if the request from Ottawa was Peterka, I would gladly trade him away for what Tkachuk is as a player. For what ails this team, for the sort of impact he can have on his teammates, I think Tkachuk is a lot more valuable, and would be more valuable to the organization especially when the main concern for this team is consistently "getting ready to play", than his production numbers would be, which aren't too bad to begin with.
In a perfect world, I would love to keep Peterka and have Tkachuk as I think that would be a fantastic winger duo together.
We need a lot of bite, which needs to be addressed by management in the offseason. Whether that's of the play on the ice, or that presence in the locker room. Tkachuk is exactly the sort of personality of team NEEDS. He would be a player I would absolutely trade any of the next two years' 1st rounders for.
As soon as people in the organization understand, and the fans understand, that winning consistently, you need to have a pr***ish sort of behavior from the players on your team, maybe then they will make headway in their progress. Otherwise, they can and will continue to play in the less valuable areas of the ice every night.
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I think Cozens still has a strong chance to end up being good. But everyone else on this list? I don't think we'd miss them at all.
CaliSabresfan24
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I also think Greenway still has value on this team.
The guy is great on the PK but we just need a coach that can get him to play hard against hockey and not forcing him into top 6 or PP rolls...
MOGlLNY
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I'd be happy to keep Greenway as long as he doesn't go anywhere past the 3rd line. Optimally the 4th.
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Der Jaeger
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I really like Peterka, particularly his speed and ability to create off the rush. His shot is also very good. But, you have to give to get.
Reinhart's shot was not very good for the first few seasons, but his net front ability was incredible. Reinhart didn't have that ability when he entered the league, but learned it out of necessity.
So while I like Peterka's goal scoring ability, to come into the league without a skill like tipping pucks (which isn't easy, try it), it's pretty amazing.
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