toddkaz
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Can someone explain to me all the hate Owen Power gets yet his advanced stats look like this?
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OkimLom
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A good starting point is their numerous slow starts throughout the season. There's a portion of being prepared/ready that falls on the coach, but the majority of it is on the players. IF you can't get yourself up and ready and focused when you're fighting for your playoff lives, that should be an internal discussion that each and every one of the players need to have with one another. Another is looking at how they play when the pressure to get points is a must vs when the pressure is down.
Loss to Red Wings another example of Sabres' inability to handle pressure
The Sabres' 3-1 defeat by the Red Wings was the latest example of their being unable to rise to the occasion when the playoffs were in view.theathletic.com
I think finding guys that know how to deal with pressure and expectations might be a lot more important than guys that seemingly hate to lose. This group seems to play better when there is less pressure and they fold in the face of pressure. I think that might be the bigger culture/intangible issue that they need to address.
But, it is hard for fans and media to have a great handle on exactly what the intangible issues are in the room.
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All of these things have a plurality of causes that need to be owned by the GM, the coaching staff, and the players in the room.
The challenge moving forward is that they do not have a GM that has shown the ability to assess what this team needs to take meaningful next steps in the build and make those moves, they do not have a head coach with experience coaching a team that is an NHL playoff team, and the bulk of the guys in the room have not had experience playing at a high level for the bulk of an NHL season and doing what it takes to get into the playoffs.
Doug Prishpreed
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Part of the problem is you using these simplistic charts to fully evaluate a player. I've found that it's a waste of time trying to explain anything to a person who does this.
That said, Power is a solid player -- when posters complain that he isn't worth his contract, it doesn't mean he's bad. Just not worth what he's being paid. It's a slightly nuanced critique that some people can't seem to grasp, no matter ho many times other posters say it.
Gabrielor
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Misinformed notions that he's bad at defending because he isn't overly physical yet at 20.
Wait, when in his time in Buffalo did Jack do what was required to win? Jack did things to get Jack's way including forcing a trade because he was "the guy" and captain and we'd have games where he was a complete no show. Of all the f***ing outlandishness...
toddkaz
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Lol. Stupid people eh. I never critiqued Power one way or another or evaluated him. I only asked for the discrepancy to be explained. Perhaps you should be be more open minded.
That may bee a Twitter thing. I would assert he's bad at defending because of things that have nothing to do with how physical or not he is - engagement in moving to intercept his man or the puck with his stick because he does get mesmerized by it and stands watching, how he drifts out of position, how he will not take away people's hands in tight around his net how he plays odd-man rushes... all things that good, non-physical defensive players do. If he hits someone, whatever. Do the those other bits regularly, like someone like Tallinder did and he's the whole package.
Old Navy Goat
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Power could show the Dalai Lama a thing or two about passivity
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He's just a strange profile of player - offensive defenseman who doesn't put up a ton of points, big guy who doesn't like physicality. People focus on his weaknesses too much and take his strengths for granted.
OkimLom
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Advanced Statistic Charts aren't good at looking at the nuances of a player's play, and have blind spots in their results.
Wait, when in his time in Buffalo did Jack do what was required to win? Jack did things to get Jack's way including forcing a trade because he was "the guy" and captain and we'd have games where he was a complete no show. Of all the f***ing outlandishness...
I'm not saying Eichel was a perfect player or even bought in to playing in Buffalo. He was a spoiled kid most of the time.
What I am saying is he got pissed off when they lost. And, when he got a real coach (something he never really had here)....he actually bought in and played within the system.
Lots went wrong in the Eichel era, and a lot of that is on him.
But....I'd love to see someone absolutely lose their shit on the bench over a loss. This team is numb to losses in a way I don't know how you fix it. We gotta bring in some give a f***.
I think Dahlin hates to lose. That’s why he’s going to be the captain.
Beerz
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Individual advanced stats are just pointless. They good for looking at teams but not individuals
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The only stat which looks good for Power on that chart is GF/60, and it's not an 'advanced stat'. So by his 'advanced stats' he looks significantly worse than Dahlin.
To dive into his GF/60, and why people may still not be impressed it's the level of involvement. Power has fantastic on ice GF/60, but he's less involved in those plays. A much higher percentage of Dahlin's points are Goals + Primary Assists. Power has a 15/11 split compared to Dahlin's 26/12.
Dahlin points 5v5/60 = 1.405
Power points 5v5/60 = 1.105
Buffalo scores well while Power is on the ice, he's failing two other tests:
1. Eye test - he's not accumulating points at the same rate as Dahlin, he's also generating far fewer CF/60.
2. Possession test - his xG% is worse than Dahlin's
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Gabrielor
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For the 11th summer in a row, so much of what ails the Sabres can imo be solved by trading for Cirelli. Hopefully Tampa re-signs Stamkos, and Adams offers a package you cant say no to.
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Wait, when in his time in Buffalo did Jack do what was required to win? Jack did things to get Jack's way including forcing a trade because he was "the guy" and captain and we'd have games where he was a complete no show. Of all the f***ing outlandishness...
Totally anecdotal. I met a doctor last year who works closely with a local a charity. He has been hiring/bidding packages at auctions to have players show up to events for a over 20 years. He said that both Reinhart and Eichel were by far the worst from either team to ever do an event. The one they showed up to was at a bowling alley and they showed up, requested their own lane on the other side of the alley, spent 10 minutes with the kids and the rest of the 2 hours crushing beers.
For all the talk and stories Eichel gets from fans and locals, this guy spoke with way more vitriol. Years had passed since the event this guy was still livid. He said that he reached out to the org and they gave him the run around so he no longer spends on the Sabres for events. Just the Bills.
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Those charts are events to and fro, and then expected events to and fro. Expected goals are not actually goals there a model of where they think a particular type of shot will go in based on where the puck came from and distance to the net and type of shot taken. They’re not actually goals. It’s an interesting measure, but it’s not infallible
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My takes are we have a lot of talent….but all that talent is very similar and isn’t ideal to building a good team, not to mention that weak mentality they have as a whole. And we have an owner, GM and head coach that are severely in over their heads.
There is a ton of work that needs to be done and, at this present time, I’m not too optimistic concerning the future.
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