Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[Beerz]

I think getting another middle six wing guy in could make that line work right now we have a cutoff in our top 9 when healthy rousek is great but not the 3rd line winger we are looking for. Everything being said about Krebs was the same about Casey and before that reino at center our young 3c with talent has always played with less than beneficial wings now with skinner in 3rd line wing scoring role there will be less pressure on Krebs but we also need another guy with a top sixish skillset to make it work but one who has some battle as well maybe Nino would be an option or someone like that good scoring ability and a Swiss army knife

You can't really put Krebs in the same category as Mittlestadt in terms of skill and hockey iq let alone Sam Reinhart

 

[DeletedUser539]

You can't really put Krebs in the same category as Mittlestadt in terms of skill and hockey iq let alone Sam Reinhart

No but we also didn't put him on a position to success and writing them off early with some thinking Reinhart was only a product of eichel

 

[Beerz]

No but we also didn't put him on a position to success and writing them off early with some thinking Reinhart was only a product of eichel

Nobody thought Reinhart was a product of Eichel. Reinhart didn't want to be here for a rebuild... with the Eichel trade that is where we were heading.

Where do people expect Krebs to have played this year or last year? Who should he have replaced in the top 6? In the top 9? He belonged in Rochester

 

[DeletedUser539]

Nobody thought Reinhart was a product of Eichel. Reinhart didn't want to be here for a rebuild... with the Eichel trade that is where we were heading.

Where do people expect Krebs to have played this year or last year? Who should he have replaced in the top 6? In the top 9? He belonged in Rochester

I'm referring to his d+2 through 4 we could have seen how he was while Tage was injured instead of forcing him back or while Quinn was injured see how he looked with cozens at wing

 

[Beerz]

I'm referring to his d+2 through 4 we could have seen how he was while Tage was injured instead of forcing him back or while Quinn was injured see how he looked with cozens at wing

Where is the track record that showed he deserved such an opportunity? This sounds like just throwing darts. I'd rather they be trying to win than giving Krebs an opportunity.

 

[Tatanka]

No but we also didn't put him on a position to success and writing them off early with some thinking Reinhart was only a product of eichel

They put him with benson and quinn and he shyte the bed. He is a low iq player with average skill. He is only on the roster because he was part of the return for Eichel. Play wise he hasn’t earned an NHL roster spot much less a 3C position.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

They put him with benson and quinn and he shyte the bed. He is a low iq player with average skill. He is only on the roster because he was part of the return for Eichel. Play wise he hasn’t earned an NHL roster spot much less a 3C position.

He’s 7th on the Sabres at xG% (5v5) and gets the 2nd highest defensive starts (among forwards). He’s overmatched as a 3C but he’s perfectly serviceable as an NHL player on a fourth line, even a good team.

 

[TehDoak]

You admit the reality of the situation, then go and ignore it to further a contradictory narrative.

Yes, the first season happened under Adam's as GM.
No, Adams was not a very influential voice on the direction of that team.

These are facts you have conceded, yet you call people's opinions that that first year was not of Adam's doing a "weird take". That is a fair amount of contradiction.

Personally I agree with @OkimLom - The team direction and GMing decisions Adams was/is responsible for started after the firing of Krueger. Adams built the current situation with his partner in crime Granato under Pegula's approval - the team as is now is Kevyn's baby. That first season was the Terry, Kim and Ralph show.

You are missing the point.

Adams could have sat in a corner and just signed paper work when Ralph brought it to him.

He still owns the bad year because he’s the GM.

He agreed to the setup of the front office because he got a role he wasn’t qualified for.

As part of that, he wears the failure of that year.

So you can’t just hand waive away the first season because he wasn’t the primary decision maker. If He let someone else do his job as a GM for him, he still owns the mess that was created by it

 

[OkimLom]

You are missing the point.

Adams could have sat in a corner and just signed paper work when Ralph brought it to him.

He still owns the bad year because he’s the GM.

He agreed to the setup of the front office because he got a role he wasn’t qualified for.

As part of that, he wears the failure of that year.

So you can’t just hand waive away the first season because he wasn’t the primary decision maker. If He let someone else do his job as a GM for him, he still owns the mess that was created by it

Nobody is asking to fully hand waive the things that happened under Adams in his first year of his tenure as GM. Some of us are just asking those to understand that there was more happening, and different layers during that time that may have impacted that year that may not impact our view of his initial year as strongly if accountability as other fans may view it, we understand that more than likely, the vision of the team during that time may have not been solely Adams’ if at all his.

Once Adams spoke to Terry to fire Krueger in their meeting, that was the moment for me that Adams stepped into 100% the responsibility of the organization’s fate. He was officially taking ownership of the team’s decision making and where I draw the starting point for 100% Adams tenure.

It wasn’t a matter of not being able criticize Adams for the shitty and soft roster they had. His first year just came with the footnote and asterisk of having Adams steering the roster structure while Krueger was in the crow’s nest yelling about the personnel.

It was a crappy time of the organization, and I hated that time, but I don’t want to ignore the reality of the situation of what was going on with management/coaching. Quite frankly, no matter who the next GM was going to be after they fired Botterill, it probably was going to happen that way anyways as Terry seemed to have wanted that structure in place. If it wasn’t going to be Adams it would’ve been someone else.

 

[Old Navy Goat]

You also can't forget that Eichel only played 21 games, Hall only showed up at the pay window, Staal was stalled from the get go

 

[is the answer jesus]

They put him with benson and quinn and he shyte the bed. He is a low iq player with average skill. He is only on the roster because he was part of the return for Eichel. Play wise he hasn’t earned an NHL roster spot much less a 3C position.

How long did that last before he "shyte the bed"? I'll admit I've been checked out the last couple weeks. My gut tells me it was a couple shifts Granato gave up on it and stuck Krebs back with the trash he usually puts him along side with. Just taking a look at Dobber's even strength line combos He's spent the overwhelming majority of his time playing with Girgensons and Okposo the last two seasons in a shutdown role. His CF has been pretty good while playing in that role and it's been even better in the small window where he played with Peterka and Benson earlier in the season. This isn't some ringing endorsement of Krebs either. He's got some warts to his game and his lack of production is worrisome, but the Sabres have much more significant issues to deal with than a guy playing 13:00 a night in a bottom 6 role not flashing enough offensively for us while his line on average tends tilts the ice in the Sabres favor.

 

[Beerz]

How long did that last before he "shyte the bed"? I'll admit I've been checked out the last couple weeks. My gut tells me it was a couple shifts Granato gave up on it and stuck Krebs back with the trash he usually puts him along side with. Just taking a look at Dobber's even strength line combos He's spent the overwhelming majority of his time playing with Girgensons and Okposo the last two seasons in a shutdown role. His CF has been pretty good while playing in that role and it's been even better in the small window where he played with Peterka and Benson earlier in the season. This isn't some ringing endorsement of Krebs either. He's got some warts to his game and his lack of production is worrisome, but the Sabres have much more significant issues to deal with than a guy playing 13:00 a night in a bottom 6 role not flashing enough offensively for us while his line on average tends tilts the ice in the Sabres favor.

It's not about pinning the problems of the Sabres on Krebs.. of course there are bigger problems. It's about the constant whining of people of Krebs "not getting a chance" when he was where he was suppose to be the whole time (if he was going to be on big club). He was gifted a roster spot and by the sounds of it he will be gifted another spot next year with a promotion.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Krebs does some things well but is an absolute black hole when it comes to offensive production. He’d be fine on the 4th line.

I’d like him the 4th line wing, while we get a new 4th line center.

Then get a legit middle six center as well.

 

[Djp]

Nobody is asking to fully hand waive the things that happened under Adams in his first year of his tenure as GM. Some of us are just asking those to understand that there was more happening, and different layers during that time that may have impacted that year that may not impact our view of his initial year as strongly if accountability as other fans may view it, we understand that more than likely, the vision of the team during that time may have not been solely Adams’ if at all his.

Once Adams spoke to Terry to fire Krueger in their meeting, that was the moment for me that Adams stepped into 100% the responsibility of the organization’s fate. He was officially taking ownership of the team’s decision making and where I draw the starting point for 100% Adams tenure.

It wasn’t a matter of not being able criticize Adams for the shitty and soft roster they had. His first year just came with the footnote and asterisk of having Adams steering the roster structure while Krueger was in the crow’s nest yelling about the personnel.

It was a crappy time of the organization, and I hated that time, but I don’t want to ignore the reality of the situation of what was going on with management/coaching. Quite frankly, no matter who the next GM was going to be after they fired Botterill, it probably was going to happen that way anyways as Terry seemed to have wanted that structure in place. If it wasn’t going to be Adams it would’ve been someone else.

It was evident with E-R-R being traded it was a rebuild occurring.

In evaluating Murray nobody would say he was a failure because he was tanking for 2015 draft.

So 21/22 shoe promise in how the finished. The last 3 years thr team is competitive but feel just outside of the playoffs but they have a strong group of players heading into 24/25 coming from 2019-2023 drafts.

Therr are different reasons between the last two years.

22/23 goalie performance, severe rash of D injuries over an 8 game period

24/25. Top 6F injuries and poor PP. Top 6F injuries also occurred around the same time. Msny teams can survive an injury to one of the top 6 being out but most cant if 3 are out.

 

[Tatanka]

How long did that last before he "shyte the bed"? I'll admit I've been checked out the last couple weeks. My gut tells me it was a couple shifts Granato gave up on it and stuck Krebs back with the trash he usually puts him along side with. Just taking a look at Dobber's even strength line combos He's spent the overwhelming majority of his time playing with Girgensons and Okposo the last two seasons in a shutdown role. His CF has been pretty good while playing in that role and it's been even better in the small window where he played with Peterka and Benson earlier in the season. This isn't some ringing endorsement of Krebs either. He's got some warts to his game and his lack of production is worrisome, but the Sabres have much more significant issues to deal with than a guy playing 13:00 a night in a bottom 6 role not flashing enough offensively for us while his line on average tends tilts the ice in the Sabres favor.

Immediately. He is a low iq player that wastes those on his line who are not. And spare me the bullsh#t fancy stats. He is not productive with better players because he can’t process the game as quickly. Throw him out with slugs and say “see puck, chase puck” and he can do that. He has no single skill that is above average. Skating, shot, physicality. Put him on a fourth line, fine. But jere is the rub. You can’t hold a roster spot for him to evolve into. The team needs a better 3C option, not a placeholder.

 

[Djp]

It's not about pinning the problems of the Sabres on Krebs.. of course there are bigger problems. It's about the constant whining of people of Krebs "not getting a chance" when he was where he was suppose to be the whole time (if he was going to be on big club). He was gifted a roster spot and by the sounds of it he will be gifted another spot next year with a promotion.

Acquired yr 1, Rochester, 4C
Year 2 4C role
Year 3 mainly 4C rolr. He has had limited 3C or above time. He got some during injuries and post Mitts

 

[Djp]

Immediately. He is a low iq player that wastes those on his line who are not. And spare me the bullsh#t fancy stats. He is not productive with better players because he can’t process the game as quickly. Throw him out with slugs and say “see puck, chase puck” and he can do that. He has no single skill that is above average. Skating, shot, physicality. Put him on a fourth line, fine. But jere is the rub. You can’t hold a roster spot for him to evolve into. The team needs a better 3C option, not a placeholder.

Wasnt this said about Mitts? People forget he's still on an ELC.

I've said he could be a candidate in a trade either this summer or next summer( figure ostlund plays mainly A next yr). 25/26 ostlund gets 3C.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

Wasnt this said about Mitts? People forget he's still on an ELC.

I've said he could be a candidate in a trade either this summer or next summer( figure ostlund plays mainly A next yr). 25/26 ostlund gets 3C.

No actually it wasn't. What was said about Mitts was that he had great talent, hands, passing, and couldn't break through because of a combo of Krueger and injury. Mitts always showed great skill and then shortly after a great work ethic to achieve potential. Last season was obvious to a few of us that he was busting through as the most well rounded C on the team. He blew up once he was given better linemates. Krebs has just remained stagnant. He seems like a great kid with a welcome feisty attitude, but he doesn't show what Mitts showed...at all. Some of you are fooled by "young pass-first C trying to reach potential" and stop right there thinking they are on the same path. They aren't because they aren't the same players. Krebs does not show the same IQ, vision, hands, board work, or stick skills.

Seeing other posts the last page or two about wanting a mid-six C... It's obvious we need another and Mitts should have been that guy. I'm sick that KA thought Byram was the guy worth trading Mitts and his expected new salary for, or that Krebs was the guy that could replace him. If it doesn't show a salary-minded decision, it shows that KA is farking stoopid and won't get this roster where it needs to be. His post-trade comments about moving Krebs up and just looking for a top-9 wing and 4C is flat out brain-dead. If that's how the summer goes we can forget it.

 

[The Blunder Years]

Krebs does some things well but is an absolute black hole when it comes to offensive production. He’d be fine on the 4th line.

I’d like him the 4th line wing, while we get a new 4th line center.

Then get a legit middle six center as well.

I’m curious on what his value is and what he would return in a trade. I imagine it’s not much, but maybe you could get one of the rebuilders like SJ or CHI to bite on him because they need young roster players with potential. Might be the right move to get a veteran forward in return that can win faceoffs and play defense. I really like the idea of Krebs but I strongly believe he is the next wave of Sabre that overstays his welcome and ultimately holds the team back.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I’m curious on what his value is and what he would return in a trade. I imagine it’s not much, but maybe you could get one of the rebuilders like SJ or CHI to bite on him because they need young roster players with potential. Might be the right move to get a veteran forward in return that can win faceoffs and play defense. I really like the idea of Krebs but I strongly believe he is the next wave of Sabre that overstays his welcome and ultimately holds the team back.

I’d do Krebs for Sturm and David Klee.

 

[The Blunder Years]

Would’ve liked to see Kulich get just a few more games this year.

 

[HOOats]

Would’ve liked to see Kulich get just a few more games this year.

On the bright side, we slid his contact another year. Having three years of ELC Kulich is excellent moving forward.

Change of subject, but does anyone know if the Robinson trade condition was 45 games here or 45 games overall? If it was games here, I think he can only max out at 44 including today's game.

 

[Team Cozens]

Krebs does some things well but is an absolute black hole when it comes to offensive production. He’d be fine on the 4th line.

I’d like him the 4th line wing, while we get a new 4th line center.

Then get a legit middle six center as well.

Yup Krebs needs to be planted on the 4th line. We have too many players with more talent for the Top 9. Joker cannot return next year... Greenway can go too. He is nice on the PK but does little else and he is going to watch Byrum and Cozens fight without responding than we need to find someone who will. BYE.

 

[Beerz]

Run it back, Kev!

 

[EichHart]

Trade all our picks for roster help