Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)
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Beerz
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I'm of the thought that if Krebs is our 3C then you might as well keep Kulich and Rosen and Savoie in Rochester. That would be a disaster. I'd like a new 3C and 4C honestly but I know I'm asking too much.
Gabrielor
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I'm planning the summer for EXACTLY that re: the 1st round prospects. If Kulich, Rosen, or Savoie made it, great, but I'm not planning on it.
(Disclaimer: this isn't done, this is for illustrative purposes. Any replies of 'I don't want that player' or 'we can't get him' will be ignored. Not the point)
Peterka - Thompson - Tuch
all good
Benson - Cozens - Quinn
find your game again, Cozens
Skinner - Krebs - Toffoli
add a d forward to Skinner-Krebs and leverage it (Toffoli will cost too much, so I don't want him, but I haven't figured out this part yet)
Greenway - N.Roy - Joshua
true 4th line of size and defense
Doug Prishpreed
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Why are you burying Roy on the fourth line when he’d be the second best center on the team?
Gabrielor
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Because 'burying' is a stupid way to describe it. We're trying to roll 4 lines with roles, not have a misfit 4th line for the 100th year in a row with waiver claims and Victor Olofssons.
Doug Prishpreed
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Your 3rd line is really a misfit 4th line so you’re doing the exact thing you’re trying not to.
Roy would be elevated almost immediately when this doesn’t work, the coach move Cozens to wing to give Roy more playing time, and we’d immediately be looking for another center.
Or they’d just give the Krebs line 8 minutes a night and bump Cozens down.
What has Krebs done to earn a permanent role? He's a 13th forward at best on a playoff team. Enough with the gifted spots.
I don't think we should sell him for pennies on the dollar, but he hasn't shown enough at the NHL level to earn anything. If anything, we should be putting him further up the lineup in these meaningless end season games and see how he does with better linemates. But, at this moment, the only thing he's earned this year is a qualifying offer. They should be adding two veteran centers this summer and listening on him if a team needs some center depth or maybe as a part of a package for a veteran center.
Gabrielor
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Two defensive forwards and a top tier es scorer? No misfit at all. Pittsburgh did it with HBK.
Roy potentially getting elevated as a safety net is EXACTLY why I want him.
Doug Prishpreed
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They’d get 8 minutes per night because they have no identity and no consistency and couldn’t be relied upon for anything. TT would also slow that line down to make them completely ineffective.
You add Roy as a 3C and get an actual 4C too, I agree. Krebs really doesn’t have a spot in this team when you try to fix the problems.
Gabrielor
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Doug Prishpreed
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Doug Prishpreed
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Krebs and Skinner have done jack shit together, and are getting fewer minutes every night, yet you think they make the basis of a winning “3rd line.” And you’re calling me stupid?
Beerz
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I like the 4th line a lot. I'd just want a better 3C
Lol.. where did he call you stupid?
Gabrielor
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Buffalo is near the bottom in both ranking injuries by cap space and WAR.
I really do think part of having success for the way this team is built is to get that top 9 winger that could slide up for injuries as we now have a decent amount of players that would good for a call up. Having a 3rd line that could score at a 2nd line pace would be great skinner is great at even strength goal scoring and Krebs is a good tenacious two way guy who would also benefit from another vet wing with a middle six ability
I think getting another middle six wing guy in could make that line work right now we have a cutoff in our top 9 when healthy rousek is great but not the 3rd line winger we are looking for. Everything being said about Krebs was the same about Casey and before that reino at center our young 3c with talent has always played with less than beneficial wings now with skinner in 3rd line wing scoring role there will be less pressure on Krebs but we also need another guy with a top sixish skillset to make it work but one who has some battle as well maybe Nino would be an option or someone like that good scoring ability and a Swiss army knife
What about garland? Excellent top 9 rw with ability to slide up evenstrength scorer on the smaller side but has good battle and is surprisingly durable and Canucks need to shed some space
StrompTroller
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Why is it a weird take? Claiming that the buck stops with the GM and blaming Adams for that season is actually a weird take because it is ignoring the reality of what went down in that front office.
Yes, Adams was a bad hire, but the moves and the results of the team that first year were not of his doing. Blaming Adams for not overriding the owners, something he was hired not to do, is misguided.
Adams had zero autonomy over that team.
Krueger's quote on how things changed after the firing of Botts and Adams coming in:
"The Pegula's have been actively involved in all the discussions we have had strategically here over the past months and we've had very many of those".
Almost all the personnel moves made that year had ties to Krueger.
If you believe Adams could have come in and over-road Terry, Kim and Ralph's ideas in year one, when he was strictly hired to allow them to have their say in deciding the teams direction, you are overlooking the entire reason Adams was hired as GM in the first place.
I like Garland's game, but rumors about him having lockerroom issues on every team he has played on, from junior to the AHL to two NHL teams gives me serious pause.
Of course the buck stops at the owner.
But you can’t simply white wash away a season where he was the GM in evaluating his tenure. He wears the bad decisions made even if it was done as a group. Because his job is to build and shape the roster and the changes were terrible.
Could he have told the Pegulas and Ralph no? Probably not. Did he know that going in? Absolutely. So he owns the decisions made during that season and the results that follow. He was part of the decision makers and in the end, it’s his signature on the transactions.
He was gifted a title he didn’t earn because he was willing to be a yes man. So he gets to wear the egg on his face for that year along with the rest of them.
He might be the best player to trade for we already have an established and pretty tight locker room and being a fresh face might not be too bad for him or our guys especially since he is going to be short term until one of kulich or savoie is ready gives a young team a solid and contributing vet that plays the minutes and situations we have a need at.
You admit the reality of the situation, then go and ignore it to further a contradictory narrative.
Yes, the first season happened under Adam's as GM.
No, Adams was not a very influential voice on the direction of that team.
These are facts you have conceded, yet you call people's opinions that that first year was not of Adam's doing a "weird take". That is a fair amount of contradiction.
Personally I agree with @OkimLom - The team direction and GMing decisions Adams was/is responsible for started after the firing of Krueger. Adams built the current situation with his partner in crime Granato under Pegula's approval - the team as is now is Kevyn's baby. That first season was the Terry, Kim and Ralph show.
OkimLom
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Talent-wise, he might be a good fit. But for what the room needs, hes pretty darn far down the list of players we should go after. The major problem with the room are the lack of, and quality of leadership in the room. Garland is not exactly someone I would think of as a quality vet. I think more of him as someone that Oloffsson is on the team.
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