Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[Gabrielor]

Honestly, I hesitated even throwing that idea out there because I don't want to get labeled as someone advocating for trading either one of them. I'm very high on both. But...

Watching UPL get run twice yesterday brings back a lot of the Miller/Lucic feelings from 15 years ago, so I'm trying to figure out some different ways to transform the roster without sacrificing too much skill. Because things aren't going to get easier in the playoffs (if we ever make the playoffs again).

I'm big on looking at Brady Tkachuk.

I also am positive that wouldn't cost Power.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

Why is everyone so eager to trade Peterka now?

Gotta give up something of value to acquire value. And a young current NHLer is probably more enticing to another GM than the AHLers + Savoie grouping.

 

[Tatanka]

I'm big on looking at Brady Tkachuk.

I also am positive that wouldn't cost Power.

He would be their #4 dman.

 

[Chainshot]

I'm big on looking at Brady Tkachuk.

I also am positive that wouldn't cost Power.

Sanderson and Chabot and perhaps Chychrun would make Power a lot less valuable a return for Ottawa. They already have a lot on there LD so if they are trying to do something there, it's going to have to be some other offer.

 

[Gabrielor]

He would be their #4 dman.

He'd be the best D in that org within 5 years.

Do people seriously think 21 year old Power is a finished product??? (and yeah, I am saying when they're 25-26, Power will top Sanderson. Chabot. whoever.)

Sanderson and Chabot and perhaps Chychrun would make Power a lot less valuable a return for Ottawa. They already have a lot on there LD so if they are trying to do something there, it's going to have to be some other offer.

Peterka makes sense to start with.
Samuelsson makes sense for the logic you just mentioned, and salary reasons.
Then would come the discussion of our 1st round assets. 24-1st? 25-1st? Rosen? Kulich? Ostlund? (I'm personally saying no to Savoie).

That's where I'd start. I think @Beerz was on the right track, we'd just never include Power.

 

[Tatanka]

He'd be the best D in that org within 5 years.

Do people seriously think 21 year old Power is a finished product??? (and yeah, I am saying when they're 25-26, Power will top Sanderson. Chabot. whoever.)

Not the way he plays in his own end. Chabot and Sanderson are equally as good offensively and more,physical. Until Power shows he can actually defend he isn’t worth very much at 8 million per.

 

[Chainshot]

He'd be the best D in that org within 5 years.

Do people seriously think 21 year old Power is a finished product??? (and yeah, I am saying when they're 25-26, Power will top Sanderson. Chabot. whoever.)

I don't think he's a finished product. I just don't hold that he's better than Sanderson regardless of their draft positions.

 

[Gabrielor]

I don't think he's a finished product. I just don't hold that he's better than Sanderson regardless of their draft positions.

I think he currently is, and will develop to be too. Not by some ridiculous gap, but give me Power in vacuum.

 

[Chainshot]

I think he currently is, and will develop to be too. Not by some ridiculous gap, but give me Power in vacuum.

I still lean Sanderson right now because he does almost all of the offensive stuff Power provides and defends like a professional too.

As for a trade, I also don't think moving one of the few guys on the Sabres current blueline who will engage a man physically and spends time defending in a trade for a forward. I would think the Sens would want Quinn but might think Peterka could really light it up beside his old U20 full cage linemate Stutzle.

Find out how much in futures the Sens are looking for and then push a couple of firsts onto the table, even this year's since I'm tired of waiting for all tomorrow's parties. See what else they might want from there.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Also, you guys need to stop with the Skinner buyout talk.

Check the way the Sabres treat him in social media
Check the way his teammates talk about him
Check the way the coach deploys him.

Skinner is NOT getting bought out, no matter how much you dislike his game. It's not even worth discussing.

It’s a hell of a lot more realistic than Buffalo landing Brady T from Ottawa, which everyone also keeps posting about.

Let’s face it - any changes besides adding the likes of Laughton or Cates are probably just a fantasy for next season. I think we’re basically looking at the same team that’s going to be there when camp opens in the fall.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I still lean Sanderson right now because he does almost all of the offensive stuff Power provides and defends like a professional too.

As for a trade, I also don't think moving one of the few guys on the Sabres current blueline who will engage a man physically and spends time defending in a trade for a forward. I would think the Sens would want Quinn but might think Peterka could really light it up beside his old U20 full cage linemate Stutzle.

Find out how much in futures the Sens are looking for and then push a couple of firsts onto the table, even this year's since I'm tired of waiting for all tomorrow's parties. See what else they might want from there.

I don’t think it would get it done but I’d offer any 2 of our 2022 first round threesome plus JJP plus the 2024 1st. That’s four first rounders, which other teams would have a hard time topping.

That said, I don’t think they sell him to Buffalo under any circumstances

 

[Chainshot]

I don’t think it would get it done but I’d offer any 2 of our 2022 first round threesome plus JJP plus the 2024 1st. That’s four first rounders, which other teams would have a hard time topping.

That said, I don’t think they sell him to Buffalo under any circumstances

Yeah, BT is a daydream.

 

[Aladyyn]

Gotta give up something of value to acquire value. And a young current NHLer is probably more enticing to another GM than the AHLers + Savoie grouping.

I don't see it, how often do players like Peterka get traded? Teams get prime aged players for futures packages all the time. And why are we trading our most dynamic forward for someone at the same position? Hell why are we making these swooping personnel decisions at all when the thing holding this team back is horrible special teams coaching?

 

[DeletedUser539]

Also, you guys need to stop with the Skinner buyout talk.

Check the way the Sabres treat him in social media
Check the way his teammates talk about him
Check the way the coach deploys him.

Skinner is NOT getting bought out, no matter how much you dislike his game. It's not even worth discussing.

On top of that he is an even strength goal scoring wizard might be super pricey but only 3 years left anyway he, is a top 6 player that can help us win.

 

[Beerz]

He'd be the best D in that org within 5 years.

Do people seriously think 21 year old Power is a finished product??? (and yeah, I am saying when they're 25-26, Power will top Sanderson. Chabot. whoever.)


Peterka makes sense to start with.
Samuelsson makes sense for the logic you just mentioned, and salary reasons.
Then would come the discussion of our 1st round assets. 24-1st? 25-1st? Rosen? Kulich? Ostlund? (I'm personally saying no to Savoie).

That's where I'd start. I think @Beerz was on the right track, we'd just never include Power.

I don't think he is a finished product and will probably develop quite nice offensively but i do not believe he will ever be competent defensively unless he has a dramatic shift in mentality and nothing suggests he will. And I don't want to wait 5 or 6 years of development for him to be worth 8.35 million in cap. I would rather use his cap hit and get a high end forward and a lesser top 4 D. I would even be comfortable using RJ in his spot. I want to utilize his cap hit and value before it is too late.

 

[Beerz]

How about Josh Norris for Sammy?

Broken shoulder for broken shoulder?

 

[Gabrielor]

Yeah, BT is a daydream.

I believe again. I've been a stick in the mud all winter about the Sabres, and I'm finally back.

Byram was a daydream 10 months ago. I believe. BT is possible.

 

[Reddawg]

I'd prefer a Skinner buyout and a third line of Peterka-Thompson-Savoie but that ain't happening.
Peterka could help us land a first line player or 2C

And then what do we trade to acquire a top six winger? Just seems like feeding the vicious cycle when we’ve got almost all the pieces together at the same age. Better to let the kids continue to develop and gel together as a whole.

 

[Beerz]

I'll leave this here without comment.

Like leaving a porkchop for a pack of wolves.

 

[Chainshot]

I'll leave this here without comment.

Like leaving a porkchop for a pack of wolves.

Well that's a tweet.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Why is everyone so eager to trade Peterka now?

Who knows. Because he’s still a work in progress?

Gotta give up something of value to acquire value. And a young current NHLer is probably more enticing to another GM than the AHLers + Savoie grouping.

You can get NHLers without trading away young promising NHLers. Drafts and prospects are much more common trade chips. And Sabres have plenty of that to trade

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Who knows. Because he’s still a work in progress?



You can get NHLers without trading away young promising NHLers. Drafts and prospects are much more common trade chips. And Sabres have plenty of that to trade

The players being talked about here, Nico F. Sturm excepted, are not usually available period. There's no chance Philadelphia trades Cates without it being an absurd price. BT isn't being moved.

If you want NHL top 6 talent you gotta look for a team that's either shedding cap, or selling. There's very few teams selling.

1. Pittsburgh - maybe
2. Capitals - maybe
3. Islanders - eh, probably not
4. Calgary - yes
5. Anaheim - could sell Strome
6. Tampa - could sell Cirelli

It's not a point in the ebb and flow of the league where new teams are blowing up yet. Really only Calgary flipped that switch this season. In the East all the bad teams are past that point in their cycle.

 

[Tatanka]

The players being talked about here, Nico F. Sturm excepted, are not usually available period. There's no chance Philadelphia trades Cates without it being an absurd price. BT isn't being moved.

If you want NHL top 6 talent you gotta look for a team that's either shedding cap, or selling. There's very few teams selling.

1. Pittsburgh - maybe
2. Capitals - maybe
3. Islanders - eh, probably not
4. Calgary - yes
5. Anaheim - could sell Strome
6. Tampa - could sell Cirelli

It's not a point in the ebb and flow of the league where new teams are blowing up yet. Really only Calgary flipped that switch this season. In the East all the bad teams are past that point in their cycle.

There are a few teams that will need to rebalance either due to age or cap pressure. Dallas, Minnesota, Vancouver. Seattle also can be in this group. These aren’t partners for pure futures trades, but more likely Bo/Casey swaps. You have to be willing to give to get bit I think there may be mutually beneficial deals to be had.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

There are a few teams that will need to rebalance either due to age or cap pressure. Dallas, Minnesota, Vancouver. Seattle also can be in this group. These aren’t partners for pure futures trades, but more likely Bo/Casey swaps. You have to be willing to give to get bit I think there may be mutually beneficial deals to be had.

We can go through them, I'm assuming we're looking for physical wingers and 3C:

Seattle - not sure I see anything here
Dallas - Duchene in FA? I'm not clear how much they prune if they graduate some of their prospects. They can bring on 3 forwards from Texas. Those graduations will solve most of their cap issues
Minn - They have 9M to sign 3 players, or 2M to sign 2 once Spurgeon is back. They're tight, but no raises to give out, they can just sign minimums for the last slots.

I'm curious what sort of proposals you'd make for these teams? Bo/Casey swaps really can only be Sameulsson/Power/Johnson. You can't trade Jokiharju for a forward or you won't have a RHD.

Vancouver is wild, anything could happen there. So many different directions they could pursue based on the post-season.

 

[Tatanka]

We can go through them, I'm assuming we're looking for physical wingers and 3C:

Seattle - not sure I see anything here
Dallas - Duchene in FA? I'm not clear how much they prune if they graduate some of their prospects. They can bring on 3 forwards from Texas. Those graduations will solve most of their cap issues
Minn - They have 9M to sign 3 players, or 2M to sign 2 once Spurgeon is back. They're tight, but no raises to give out, they can just sign minimums for the last slots.

I'm curious what sort of proposals you'd make for these teams? Bo/Casey swaps really can only be Sameulsson/Power/Johnson. You can't trade Jokiharju for a forward or you won't have a RHD.

Vancouver is wild, anything could happen there. So many different directions they could pursue based on the post-season.

I wouldn’t limit the discourse to purely physical players. Rather I would include dominant players or those that are simply better than we have. I saw Robertson’s name kicked around in a few threads. Kaprizov as well. Vancouver is a wildcard I agree. The leverage the Sabres is a quantity of quality and the ability to eat cap if they choose, at least in the short term. I don’t think anyone thought of Byrum as a physical dman, but he is immensely,talented and experienced. I would trade potential for that experience.