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TehDoak said:
I believe that would be factually incorrect.

Mittelstadt is currently at 6 accrued seasons (2017-18 counts)

he is eligible to be a UFA at the end of next year.
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In 2017-18, Mittelstadt played 6 games after his NCAA season ended. I don't think that covers any prerequisite for a full NHL season.

I think the question is 2019-20, when he only played 31 games, but the season was shortened by covid.

He played 31 games in the NHL (36 in Rochester), which is 45% of the Sabres 69 games played that season.

Since the magic number is 40 out of 82, or 48.7% of the games, and he only played in 44.9% of the games that year, I think there is a very good chance that 2019-20 did not qualify as a full NHL season for Casey, thus him still having 2 years of RFA control.

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I think Casey could file a grievance through the players association claiming that since the Sabres were excluded from the bubble, the season numbers should not be prorated based on percentage, but what he *would have accrued* had the Sabres had a full 82 game season, as he likely would have hit the 40 game mark in that situation. Not sure if he will though.
 
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I am hopeful that the roster in Buffalo has been evaluated by now and team needs are apparent. I am not in the locker room and not in team meetings and game planning.

This is where gmka has to take leadership and make some decisions. Where does the team go?
 
KrakenSabresMike said:
I highly doubt the GM of a professional hockey hockey team doesn’t know how many RFA years a player has left - his first season did not count as an accrued season because of when he signed his contract, just like power did not count towards his UFA years as well.

17-18 counts towards burning elc but NOT towards ufa years
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I think there is a misunderstanding between entry-level years and getting a year closer to UFA, and Kevyn Adams obviously knows the difference. If an NHL GM doesn't know how many RFA years one of his trade targets has, that would be one of the most incompetent things in the history of the franchise. You are 100% right that Kevyn knows.

My understanding is only years where you are on the roster for 40 games count toward the seven years you need to get to UFA. Obviously, six games in 2017-18 don't count. I believe the confusion among fans is in 2019-20, when he played 31 games in Buffalo. That year LIKELY does NOT count towards seven NHL seasons.

His birthday is November, so on July 1 of this year, he will only have played five NHL seasons that qualify.

Anybody with more specific info, I apologize if I am wrong. But the Kevyn Adams is an idiot isn't a response. Sorry.

Irie said:
In 2017-18, Mittelstadt played 6 games after his NCAA season ended. I don't think that covers any prerequisite for a full NHL season.

I think the question is 2019-20, when he only played 31 games, but the season was shortened by covid.

He played 31 games in the NHL (36 in Rochester), which is 45% of the Sabres 69 games played that season.

Since the magic number is 40 out of 82, or 48.7% of the games, and he only played in 44.9% of the games that year, I think there is a very good chance that 2019-20 did not qualify as a full NHL season for Casey, thus him still having 2 years of RFA control.

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I think Casey could file a grievance through the players association claiming that since the Sabres were excluded from the bubble, the season numbers should not be prorated based on percentage, but what he *would have accrued* had the Sabres had a full 82 game season, as he likely would have hit the 40 game mark in that situation. Not sure if he will though.
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I believe it is 40 games on the roster and not just playing but I think this issue is clearly settled and he has five NHL years after 2023-24.
 
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HogtownSabresfan said:
I think there is a misunderstanding between entry-level years and getting a year closer to UFA, and Kevyn Adams obviously knows the difference. If an NHL GM doesn't know how many RFA years one of his trade targets has, that would be one of the most incompetent things in the history of the franchise. You are 100% right that Kevyn knows.

My understanding is only years where you are on the roster for 40 games count toward the seven years you need to get to UFA. Obviously, six games in 2017-18 don't count. I believe the confusion among fans is in 2019-20, when he played 31 games in Buffalo. That year LIKELY does NOT count towards seven NHL seasons.

His birthday is November, so on July 1 of this year, he will only have played five NHL seasons that qualify.

Anybody with more specific info, I apologize if I am wrong. But the Kevyn Adams is an idiot isn't a response. Sorry.


I believe it is 40 games on the roster and not just playing but I think this issue is clearly settled and he has five NHL years after 2023-24.
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You are absolutely right in that it is "on roster games" that count toward the 40 games accrued.

Games spent on IR also count toward that magic number.

While Casey played 37 games in Rochester, I just checked and it looks like he sat three games in Buffalo before being demoted that year, which would bring his accrued games to 34, which is 49% of the Sabres 69 games played - which prorates out to more than 40 (40.4) in an 82 game season.

Something tells me that the league is going to have to step in on this one and that Mitts has a good chance of winning his early free agency if he petitions.
 
Mittelstadt’s 2019-20 season does not count as an accrued season under the memorandum of understanding (“MOU”) between the NHL and NHLPA relating to COVID issues.

As others have already posted, a skater must be on an NHL roster for 40 games to earn an accrued season under the CBA (30 games for goalies).

The NHL and NHLPA entered into an MOU in July 2020 that covers how the COVID seasons will be prorated for various purposes, found here:


Under Schedule M (page 54), “If a player was not a Roster Freeze Player, the 30/40 threshold shall not be pro-rated” for accrued seasons.

The term “Roster Freeze Player” is defined as a player in the NHL on March 16, 2020. Mittelstadt was assigned to Rochester on December 15, 2019. Accordingly, he does not qualify as a “Roster Freeze Player” and his games are not prorated.

Because he had fewer than 40 games on an NHL roster, Mittelstadt’s 2019-20 is not an accrued season and he is two years from UFA.
 
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Irie said:
You are absolutely right in that it is "on roster games" that count toward the 40 games accrued.

Games spent on IR also count toward that magic number.

While Casey played 37 games in Rochester, I just checked and it looks like he sat three games in Buffalo before being demoted that year, which would bring his accrued games to 34, which is 49% of the Sabres 69 games played - which prorates out to more than 40 (40.4) in an 82 game season.

Something tells me that the league is going to have to step in on this one and that Mitts has a good chance of winning his early free agency if he petitions.
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Something tells me you're wrong and Adams knows more than you
 
HogtownSabresfan said:
Something tells me you're wrong and Adams knows more than you
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How can I be wrong if I did not take an actual stance on the position either way? All I said is that Mittelstadt has a good case if he wants to make one through the NHLPA.

Here are the facts:
Casey was up for 34 games in 2019-20.
That is 49.3% of the Sabres 69 games they played in the COVID shortened season.
Shortened seasons will not have 40 game requirements.
40 games is 48.7% of a full 82 game season.

I will let you do the rest of the math on your own ;)
 
Chainshot said:
What else would Buffalo need if they offered a deal of Thompson for Brock Faber?
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lol Minnesota isn’t trading a stud Dman and Minnesota born home player for a player they can’t afford and don’t need. Eriksson ek has become a total 1C and Rossi 2c. Faber isn’t getting traded
 
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Could use a Zach Hyman
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We’re going to let Skinner get another coach fired. His whole career has been missing the playoffs and getting his coaches fired. While he doesn’t give two shits and has been perfectly happy with it all the whole time.

He’s the problem, 100%. RBA knew it and said so, Kruger knew it and said so, but Terry Pegula loves him so you either play him on your top line or get fired in this town. Pegula culture.
 
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Doug Prishpreed said:
We’re going to let Skinner get another coach fired. His whole career has been missing the playoffs and getting his coaches fired. While he doesn’t give two shits and has been perfectly happy with it all the whole time.

He’s the problem, 100%. RBA knew it and said so, Kruger knew it and said so, but Terry Pegula loves him so you either play him on your top line or get fired in this town. Pegula culture.
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People are now stanning for Ralph Kreuger.

We have officially hit rock bottom
 
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Doug Prishpreed said:
We’re going to let Skinner get another coach fired. His whole career has been missing the playoffs and getting his coaches fired. While he doesn’t give two shits and has been perfectly happy with it all the whole time.

He’s the problem, 100%. RBA knew it and said so, Kruger knew it and said so, but Terry Pegula loves him so you either play him on your top line or get fired in this town. Pegula culture.
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This is just dumb. Our offense has looked even worse when Skinner doesn't play. He's still good 5v5. Is this how like Eichel was the "problem" and got coaches fired?

It's not like you can't win with a guy like that in your lineup. You just shouldn't have him on your top line or your PP1. Pens won back to back with Phil Kessel. They found a way to take advantage of what he's good at & limit what he's terrible at. Had him on the 3rd line with Bonino & Haeglin. Two defensive guys that could cover up for Kessel's defensive woes while Phil carried the offense. A good coach should be able to find a way to utilize him.
 
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sabremike said:
People are now stanning for Ralph Kreuger.

We have officially hit rock bottom
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Ralph Kreuger was a terrible hockey coach. But he wasn't wrong about Skinner.

A player who measures his career in goals, rather than in wins, is not the kind of player you want on your team.

PatLaFontaineASMR said:
This is just dumb. Our offense has looked even worse when Skinner doesn't play. He's still good 5v5. Is this how like Eichel was the "problem" and got coaches fired?

It's not like you can't win with a guy like that in your lineup. You just shouldn't have him on your top line or your PP1. Pens won back to back with Phil Kessel. They found a way to take advantage of what he's good at & limit what he's terrible at. Had him on the 3rd line with Bonino & Haeglin. Two defensive guys that could cover up for Kessel's defensive woes while Phil carried the offense. A good coach should be able to find a way to utilize him.
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Comparing Skinner to Kessel is an insult to Phil the Thrill.

Skinner is not a line driver. He's a slow skating passenger who contributes zero outside of scoring goals. He's a lazy good for nothing cherry picker.

As @Chainshot has said: "Skinner's gear was dry after that game".

He's the antithesis to what it should mean to be a Buffalo Sabre.
 
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No need for Pro-Scouting meetings. The main requirement to acquire a player is whether that player can be easily coached by Don Granato.

All other players shall not be considered.
 
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What skills Skinner has that made him effective at scoring are starting to erode. His skating is just not there - it was flagging before he missed time injured and it is even worse now. His defense is suspect as ever, but he isn't a disruptive player on the forecheck any longer and can't get separation to get shots away. He's all but abandoned shooting on the backhand and is regularly moving out of prime scoring areas with the puck on his stick. His passing has always been one do the weaker parts of his overall game and remains so.

So he needs someone to cover for him defensively AND someone to transition the puck into the offensive zone AND someone to win the puck for him to shoot. It seems doubtful that he's going to surge back to previous levels. Age comes for us all and professionally, the age wall is right in Skinner's face.
 
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“Skinner would be fine if the team was better” is hardly a checkmate lol. This team isn’t better and a lot of the young guys seem to take tips from Jeff on how to play.

If the highest paid guy, 1,000 NHL games Is allowed to make stupid mistakes constantly and not play defense.. why wouldn’t that rub off on the younger guys? And I think it does.

I don’t think he’s THE problem, but I do think it’s caused a lot of guys to play a similar game.
 
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