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Chainshot said:
That somehow they are a country club is some of the most vivid fiction on here.
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I'm sure 'country club' isn't the right adjective. I am very curious as to why their home record is so atrocious and they are very ill prepared. I wonder if 'dormitory' is a more apt description? A bunch of guys in their early 20s playing video games and shirking responsibilities?
 
My Cozen Dylan said:
Most of what you said was reasonable except this. Jokiharju might be worth a 3rd. Maybe.
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Eh, Joker is who he is. A mobile middle pair RHD who is still young. There is upside there, but Buffalo's top 4 needs a better complementary d-man for Power. Given they can have as many years of team control they want with him being a RFA, I can see several teams being interested.

There is the right side tax and reasonable cost tax. There will be a lot of suitors if he's made available.
 
TehDoak said:
Eh, Joker is who he is. A mobile middle pair RHD who is still young. There is upside there, but Buffalo's top 4 needs a better complementary d-man for Power. Given they can have as many years of team control they want with him being a RFA, I can see several teams being interested.

There is the right side tax and reasonable cost tax. There will be a lot of suitors if he's made available.
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Would you give up a 1st for Dante Fabbro? I sure has hell wouldn't and I bet Preds fans would happily take a 3rd.

Fabbro and Jokiharju are basically the same player. Slight edge to Fabbro.
 
My Cozen Dylan said:
Would you give up a 1st for Dante Fabbro? I sure has hell wouldn't and I bet Preds fans would happily take a 3rd.

Fabbro and Jokiharju are basically the same player. Slight edge to Fabbro.
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I wouldn't, however, I'm not a contender looking to add defensive depth with limited cap space. Players who are signed reasonably with potential years of control after are at a premium at the trade deadliine. Fabbro/Joker would easily get a 2nd in the offseason. Their low cap hit is a premium at the deadline. A late 1st is a bit of a wish by me, but they'd get a 2nd + easily.
 
Stillman trade looks today as pointless as it did in March. The others are in Rochester because they were crap signings to begin with, and it just wasn't known at the time when someone else was going to replace them. KA's mistake wasn't to sign them at first, it was holding on to them for as long as he did. That's because they are preaching "patience" as an excuse for being as cheap as possible while they put all their eggs in the development basket.
 
Sabresfansince1980 said:
Stillman trade looks today as pointless as it did in March. The others are in Rochester because they were crap signings to begin with, and it just wasn't known at the time when someone else was going to replace them. KA's mistake wasn't to sign them at first, it was holding on to them for as long as he did. That's because they are preaching "patience" as an excuse for being as cheap as possible while they put all their eggs in the development basket.
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As one of the biggest critics of the Stillman trade on these boards last spring, I have to admit that in hindsight, it was pretty much just a big nothing burger.

Sabres were desperate for some depth and physicality on the blue line, and made a trade to address that. While I think he could have been had for future considerations, the scouting staff clearly had moved on from Bloom. As a fan without all the information(or game tape), I hated the move, but 9 months later, Bloom is struggling in the ECHL, and I have to admit I was wrong.

Stillman is costing the team 200k of cap playing in Rochester and luckily injuries on D have been light and R Johnson has stepped up big so he hasn't been needed, but that is still a cheap cost for defensive insurance for a team that isn't cap strapped that had questionable defensive depth when the move was made.
 
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There’s nothing wrong with the Stillman trade in a vacuum. What was galling about it was the missed opportunity to actually fill a hole in the roster of a team that missed the playoffs by a nose hair.
 
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With how Bloom has gone, it seems like they didn't like the trajectory of his development and moved in a different direction. They don't have the Karabachek/Cornel contract on the roster.

VaporTrail said:
Imagine how different our back end could be if we added McNabb, Montour, and Zadorov
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That implies they would have become close to the players they are now without the work they put in elsewhere.
 
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Okposo need to go veterans need to go. Granato deserves longer chance but all assistants need to be fired. Veteran player leadership needs to go. Play the youth. Bring up Murray kulich and others. Cocina deserves a shot. Cut E johnson. This is embarrassing .
 
Irie said:
As one of the biggest critics of the Stillman trade on these boards last spring, I have to admit that in hindsight, it was pretty much just a big nothing burger.

Sabres were desperate for some depth and physicality on the blue line, and made a trade to address that. While I think he could have been had for future considerations, the scouting staff clearly had moved on from Bloom. As a fan without all the information(or game tape), I hated the move, but 9 months later, Bloom is struggling in the ECHL, and I have to admit I was wrong.

Stillman is costing the team 200k of cap playing in Rochester and luckily injuries on D have been light and R Johnson has stepped up big so he hasn't been needed, but that is still a cheap cost for defensive insurance for a team that isn't cap strapped that had questionable defensive depth when the move was made.
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I don't care about losing Bloom. If they wanted depth, get a better guy worth keeping another year or get a guy on an expiring contract. That's why it was pointless to me. Stillman stinks, he wasn't worth having on the team this season, and if they wanted to add a guy they really could have used a 2nd pair (not that that guy was available at the time).
 
Jimmybarndoor2 said:
Okposo need to go veterans need to go. Granato deserves longer chance but all assistants need to be fired. Veteran player leadership needs to go. Play the youth. Bring up Murray kulich and others. Cocina deserves a shot. Cut E johnson. This is embarrassing .
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Why does Granato deserve a longer chance? He's got 220+ games under his belt at this point. That's much more than a lot of guys get with no playoffs. This season was the big test for him and failed miserably. He's not the guy.
 
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Sabresfansince1980 said:
I don't care about losing Bloom. If they wanted depth, get a better guy worth keeping another year or get a guy on an expiring contract. That's why it was pointless to me. Stillman stinks, he wasn't worth having on the team this season, and if they wanted to add a guy they really could have used a 2nd pair (not that that guy was available at the time).
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From everything I have read, Stillman has been a positive asset in Rochester. Appert specifically mentioned his great attitude and influence on the younger guys, while adding some physicality and playing some tough minutes.

I think he has actually been a solid addition to the organization, despite my heavy criticism of the trade at the time.

As far as not being what the team needed, that was obvious, but it was also pretty clear around the league from what every GM was saying at the time that the types of players the sabres needed were not really available and the players that checked off a few of the boxes that were available were outrageously overpriced to acquire.

It is super easy to say "sign me up for a top tiered bottom six forward and a top-4 RHD", but acquiring those players is a longshot most of the time.
 
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Irie said:
From everything I have read, Stillman has been a positive asset in Rochester. Appert specifically mentioned his great attitude and influence on the younger guys, while adding some physicality and playing some tough minutes.

I think he has actually been a solid addition to the organization, despite my heavy criticism of the trade at the time.

As far as not being what the team needed, that was obvious, but it was also pretty clear around the league from what every GM was saying at the time that the types of players the sabres needed were not really available and the players that checked off a few of the boxes that were available were outrageously overpriced to acquire.

It is super easy to say "sign me up for a top tiered bottom six forward and a top-4 RHD", but acquiring those players is a longshot most of the time.
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KA was at least in on Chychrun so I get it, TDL prices and all. But anything Stillman provides in Rochester is really besides the point and just goes toward why I think the trade was pointless. Not terrible, not a benefit (to the Sabres)... pointless.
 
Irie said:
From everything I have read, Stillman has been a positive asset in Rochester. Appert specifically mentioned his great attitude and influence on the younger guys, while adding some physicality and playing some tough minutes.

I think he has actually been a solid addition to the organization, despite my heavy criticism of the trade at the time.

As far as not being what the team needed, that was obvious, but it was also pretty clear around the league from what every GM was saying at the time that the types of players the sabres needed were not really available and the players that checked off a few of the boxes that were available were outrageously overpriced to acquire.

It is super easy to say "sign me up for a top tiered bottom six forward and a top-4 RHD", but acquiring those players is a longshot most of the time.
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Good vibes in Rochester too!

Awesome!

What have we become when we are touting a trade deadline acquisition that plays in Rochester.
 
toddkaz said:
Good vibes in Rochester too!

Awesome!

What have we become when we are touting a trade deadline acquisition that plays in Rochester.
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It's not about touting, it is about the hyperbole and people losing their minds over a depth move during a wave of injuries. Half a dozen posters have repeatedly brought up the Stillman trade in the past 48 hours as some kind of litmus test that Adams is a terrible GM, (Not referring to you, @Sabresfansince1980 - your calling of it pointless is not what I am referring to).

The move ultimately provided something positive for the young players developing on the farm.

Being pissed that a terrible value trade didn't happen and a small value trade happened in it's place is asinine. Seems everyone needs a reminder that often a small trade or no trade at all is a whole hell of a lot better than a bad trade. Looking at the reality of the situations around the league is not something this board does very well. We seem to be living in a whole bunch of fantasy-land.
 
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