Roster Thread (2023-2024 Season)

[BFLO]

ONE! pro scout working with Jeremiah Crowe currently


Glad this is all coming out finally, well done Lance, thank you!

Uh... am I reading this right? We had a "Director of Pro Scouting" who had 0 scouts working under him until they recently hired 1?

No wonder we haven't signed or traded for any NHLers of value in the past 4 years other than Tuch.

Edit: Did Terry really fire the entire pro scouting department other than 1 guy? Jesus christ this org is a clown show

 

[toddkaz]

Uh... am I reading this right? We had a "Director of Pro Scouting" who had 0 scouts working under him until they recently hired 1?

No wonder we haven't signed or traded for any NHLers of value in the past 4 years other than Tuch.

Edit: Did Terry really fire the entire pro scouting department other than 1 guy? Jesus christ this org is a clown show

Granato is showing them the tapes for scouting.

 

[BB79]

Why not change the structure of the PP entirely? Seems like shuffling deck chairs

The deck chairs on the Titanic

 

[SundherDome]

I like PP2 better...

Haha

I don't know why they don't cater to what they have

PP1

Tuch
Thompson Benson Oloffson
Power


PP2

Greenway
Peterka Mitts Quinn
Dahlin

Both units have PP QBs, lethal shooters on either side, bumper guy who can stick handle in a phone booth and make great passes and a big body in the crease who can tip, redirect or collect the puck behind the net and get it back to the point.

 

[May Day 10]

Uh... am I reading this right? We had a "Director of Pro Scouting" who had 0 scouts working under him until they recently hired 1?

No wonder we haven't signed or traded for any NHLers of value in the past 4 years other than Tuch.

Edit: Did Terry really fire the entire pro scouting department other than 1 guy? Jesus christ this org is a clown show

Not to mention he is another guy with woefully low experience or credentials for that position. If Crowe were on the street tomorrow, he would have exactly zero offers to be director of pro scouting for other nhl teams

 

[OkimLom]

I don't know why they don't cater to what they have

PP1

Tuch
Thompson Benson Oloffson
Power


PP2

Greenway
Peterka Mitts Quinn
Dahlin

Both units have PP QBs, lethal shooters on either side, bumper guy who can stick handle in a phone booth and make great passes and a big body in the crease who can tip, redirect or collect the puck behind the net and get it back to the point.

Sounds like a fun stationary static PP to watch any Team shut down. very predictable. Just cover bumper and Defenseman and the PP dies.

 

[DapperCam]

Uh... am I reading this right? We had a "Director of Pro Scouting" who had 0 scouts working under him until they recently hired 1?

No wonder we haven't signed or traded for any NHLers of value in the past 4 years other than Tuch.

Edit: Did Terry really fire the entire pro scouting department other than 1 guy? Jesus christ this org is a clown show

Greenway was pretty good, but I'm pretty sure Granato did 100% of the pro scouting job on that one. Nice cost savings for the owner.

 

[littletonhockeycoach]

Tired: Signing mediocre players to league minimum contracts and spending the cap space saved on good players
Wired: Signing Mediocre to bad contracts because they won't lose them to waivers and not worry about getting any good players.

I certainly wasn't condoning or advocating the way Adams runs his shop.

I can't wait until he's gone.

Same for Donnie and his Assistants.

Hell, let's also find a new buyer for the team (but that would likely mean leaving WNY).

 

[BFLO]

Greenway was pretty good, but I'm pretty sure Granato did 100% of the pro scouting job on that one. Nice cost savings for the owner.

If the only NHL player of note you've acquired in trade or UFA in 4 years where you weren't trading away a franchise #1C is Greenway.... yeah... that kinda says all you need to know about Adams.

Greenway isn't bad, but he's nothing more than an average 3rd liner, who Adams paid a 2nd and 5th for and $3mavv for 3 years. Not a ripoff, but not a bargain either. And Greenway is usually injured 1/3rd of every season.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Trade ideas from the trade board: ideas from fans of their own teams. Players who I thought could fill a need:

Fabbro
Wahlstrom
DeBrusk
Barron MTL
Rust

All of Calgary

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Trade ideas from the trade board: ideas from fans of their own teams. Players who I thought could fill a need:

Fabbro
Wahlstrom
DeBrusk
Barron MTL
Rust

All of Calgary

Yes
Yes
Don't see a fit
No
Don't see a fit

Absolutely.

 

[TehDoak]

Granato is showing them the tapes for scouting.

 

[joshjull]

If the only NHL player of note you've acquired in trade or UFA in 4 years where you weren't trading away a franchise #1C is Greenway.... yeah... that kinda says all you need to know about Adams.

Greenway isn't bad, but he's nothing more than an average 3rd liner, who Adams paid a 2nd and 5th for and $3mavv for 3 years. Not a ripoff, but not a bargain either. And Greenway is usually injured 1/3rd of every season.

You love making these terrible bad faith arguments.

They’ve only said about 1000x times their plan was to build from within using the draft and development. Being critical that they didn’t add a bunch of key pieces via trade or free agency is telling me all need to know about @BFLO …… They clearly weren't looking to do that. The vast majority of vets they added were of the “placeholder/ easy to get out of the way“ variety.

The only vets they’ve acquired via trade/free agency with the hopes of them being a contributor in the top 9 or top 4 are Tuch, Greenway and Clifton. Clifton has so far not worked out. They’ve also tried to add some toughness or size to the bottom pairing with Boosh, Stillman and E.Johnson. They‘re clearly struggling with these adds.

You can disagree with the approach the wanted to take but they did exactly what they set out to do.

- 7 of their top 9 forwards are either already here (Skinner/Tage/Mitts/Cozens)or draft picks (Peterka/Quinn/Benson).
- All 4 of their top 4 dmen were already here (Dahlin/Sammy/Joker) or drafted (Power)

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Would anyone have an appetite for something like this in the summer:

Rantanen (extended 7 x 12.5) for Mittelstadt+one of our wingers (Quinn?)+something


It's crazy but at this point we need to be considering all options. Adding arguably the top winger in the league would at least sell tickets.

 

[Beerz]

Would anyone have an appetite for something like this in the summer:

Rantanen (extended 7 x 12.5) for Mittelstadt+one of our wingers (Quinn?)+something


It's crazy but at this point we need to be considering all options. Adding arguably the top winger in the league would at least sell tickets.

Replace Quinn with Owen Power.

 

[BFLO]

You love making these terrible bad faith arguments.

They’ve only said about 1000x times their plan was to build from within using the draft and development. Being critical that they didn’t add a bunch of key pieces via trade or free agency is telling me all need to know about @BFLO …… They clearly weren't looking to do that. The vast majority of vets they added were of the “placeholder/ easy to get out of the way“ variety.

The only vets they’ve acquired via trade/free agency with the hopes of them being a contributor in the top 9 or top 4 are Tuch, Greenway and Clifton. Clifton has so far not worked out. They’ve also tried to add some toughness or size to the bottom pairing with Boosh, Stillman and E.Johnson. They‘re clearly struggling with these adds.

You can disagree with the approach the wanted to take but they did exactly what they set out to do.

- 7 of their top 9 forwards are either already here (Skinner/Tage/Mitts/Cozens)or draft picks (Peterka/Quinn/Benson).
- All 4 of their top 4 dmen were already here (Dahlin/Sammy/Joker) or drafted (Power)

The approach is clearly wrong. If your GMs plan is to not add anyone to the roster better than Greenway in 4 years, it's a bad plan.

Your defense of Adams boils down to "Adams told us he had a bad plan, and then he stuck to his bad plan. It's bad faith for you to argue he should have done something else."

 

[Snippit]

You love making these terrible bad faith arguments.

They’ve only said about 1000x times their plan was to build from within using the draft and development. Being critical that they didn’t add a bunch of key pieces via trade or free agency is telling me all need to know about @BFLO …… They clearly weren't looking to do that. The vast majority of vets they added were of the “placeholder/ easy to get out of the way“ variety.

The only vets they’ve acquired via trade/free agency with the hopes of them being a contributor in the top 9 or top 4 are Tuch, Greenway and Clifton. Clifton has so far not worked out. They’ve also tried to add some toughness or size to the bottom pairing with Boosh, Stillman and E.Johnson. They‘re clearly struggling with these adds.

You can disagree with the approach the wanted to take but they did exactly what they set out to do.

- 7 of their top 9 forwards are either already here (Skinner/Tage/Mitts/Cozens)or draft picks (Peterka/Quinn/Benson).
- All 4 of their top 4 dmen were already here (Dahlin/Sammy/Joker) or drafted (Power)

I do in fact disagree with the approach they wanted to take

 

[Djp]

Trade ideas from the trade board: ideas from fans of their own teams. Players who I thought could fill a need:

Fabbro
Wahlstrom
DeBrusk
Barron MTL
Rust

All of Calgary

Fabbro= Joker. fabbro is a little older and both are arb eligible.

Would anyone have an appetite for something like this in the summer:

Rantanen (extended 7 x 12.5) for Mittelstadt+one of our wingers (Quinn?)+something


It's crazy but at this point we need to be considering all options. Adding arguably the top winger in the league would at least sell tickets.

I have real concerns on him and other soon to be UFAs where their cap hit is too high for what they do because they benefited from their center. Not saying they suck but it will be negative ROI

Quinn is going nowhere. I think Quinn= ratanen

 

[Irie]

The approach is clearly wrong. If your GMs plan is to not add anyone to the roster better than Greenway in 4 years, it's a bad plan.

Your defense of Adams boils down to "Adams told us he had a bad plan, and then he stuck to his bad plan. It's bad faith for you to argue he should have done something else."

The plan was always a bad plan, yes.

The problem is that it was the plan that Pegula signed off on, and anyone who thinks that the previously three years of this organization wasn't majorly about Adams saving Terry money has not been paying attention.

I was strongly against not having vets to insulate Dahlin, Cozens, and some of the others, but they have weathered the storm better than I imagined possible. so I will eat crow there and admit that this team is in a better position now than I thought the plan would get them.

I feel like I am in a twilight zone episode - so many posters were telling me that the kids would all be great two+ years ago, and now when I am saying this setback is a speed bump, but not that dire (the kids have held their own and the team is poised to take the next step with a few roster tweaks and a coaching change), everyone is now saying it was all a complete failure.

This board is still a rollercoaster of emotions. Expectations were way too high not long ago, and they are way too low now.

 

[Tatanka]

Would anyone have an appetite for something like this in the summer:

Rantanen (extended 7 x 12.5) for Mittelstadt+one of our wingers (Quinn?)+something


It's crazy but at this point we need to be considering all options. Adding arguably the top winger in the league would at least sell tickets.

Replace mitts with Cozens

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Quinn is going nowhere. I think Quinn= ratanen

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Quinn will not, in fact, be Mikko Rantanen. Hot take, I know.

 

[SundherDome]

Sounds like a fun stationary static PP to watch any Team shut down. very predictable. Just cover bumper and Defenseman and the PP dies.

That is how you would stop any powerplay

 

[Diaspora]

Trade ideas from the trade board: ideas from fans of their own teams. Players who I thought could fill a need.
[ . . . ]
All of Calgary

Skinner, Clifton and a 2nd
for
Andersson and . . . Huberdeau!

Who sez no?

 

[Ehran]

Skinner, Clifton and a 2nd
for
Andersson and . . . Huberdeau!

Who sez no?

Skinner, with his No Movement Clause

 

[Chainshot]

Skinner, Clifton and a 2nd
for
Andersson and . . . Huberdeau!

Who sez no?

Skinner's NMC for one.

Also curious why Andersson? He does a lot of things the team already has in terms of PMD/PP stuff that is already handled.