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To me a look at a Forbort McBain pairing probably falls into the category of DS thinks it would never work so he's not going to ever bother to take a peak. If Forbort ever plays with Ehrhoff again, they might as well throw Forbort on the right side. He couldn't possibly be worse over there than Ehrhoff. Ehrhoff seems to calm down when he's on the left. Some of it could be McBain, but I tend to think it's all in Ehrhoff head.
-Money, it would be hard to fit Dion's cap hit without sending a major cap dump back.
-TO doesn't want to retain salary, which is why he's still in TO.
-Didn't Sutter move Dion out of Calgary? Would Sutter work with Dion?
He wouldn't be bad on the second pair, but the Kings fitting a 7M cap hit on the second pairing would be a trick.
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Muzzin/Doughty
McNabb/****
Martinez/****
Need a guy capable of carrying the second pairing. Phaneuf might work for that.
-TO doesn't want to retain salary, which is why he's still in TO.
-Didn't Sutter move Dion out of Calgary? Would Sutter work with Dion?
He wouldn't be bad on the second pair, but the Kings fitting a 7M cap hit on the second pairing would be a trick.
Edit:
Muzzin/Doughty
McNabb/****
Martinez/****
Need a guy capable of carrying the second pairing. Phaneuf might work for that.
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KingCanadain1976
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I agree with it all. My thoughts is if Dean is trying to get Dion it would be safe to say that Sutter would be ok with it. I don't see Dean screwing with Sutter like that. You got to think the key is going to be money retained Now with Weal and gabby going back we only need 1.6 ish is the difference However we would have roster spot open so more like 2.2 million ish to call Mersch
I would be ok with it if the leafs retained enough to get the cap hit down to below $6M. Not saying Dion is worth less than $6M but that would be my ask.
We would than have too many so I would prefer one going the other way along with Gaborik. A-Mart would be the best choice here just do to his contract.
what rumors are you hearing?
Top four of
McNabb/Drew
Dion/Muzzin
Would be a-ok with me, even if it does contain 3 LHD.
yes Sutter was the one who moved Dion out, but he also re-signed him and praised him while GM in Calgary. There were all sorts of rumors about the Dion deal, but the bottom line is it sounds like the other players wanted Dion dealt, and Sutter had no choice.
This leads many to be concerned about him in the room, and as a teammate. I am hopnig he has grown up since then
SFKingshomer
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Phaneuf isn't enough of an upgrade defensively and costs way too much. I'd prefer Polak to fill Greene's role
KingCanadain1976
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Well i have been hearing Dean really likes dion just not at 7 million. We have at least one maybe two extra lws Dwight King and Mersch are coming Not enough spots imo. So that s where we will make our trade from this year. Could Pearson be the odd man out if not gaborik? Hes young cheap and got some upside. I also cheap hearing leafs like Weal Wonder if pearson weal and greene would be enough to get Dion at 5
I would hate losing Pearson.
Moving Greene's 2.5M would not clear enough to re-sign Kopitar given we would be taken on Dion even if it is at $5M.
If we are moving Pearson I would rather go after Ellis. Although I do not think LW is a need spot for Nasville.
Weal and Toronto are always linked, but I think if we are bringing in Dion A-Mart would have to be going the other way.
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Toronto would have to eat a lot of Dion's cap hit, or we'd have to send back Brown. Otherwise the cap hit doesn't work.
KingCanadain1976
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the difference between richards hit this year and next will go along way to resigning Kopitar. ($1.550 million difference + 6.8 million now ) that 8.35 Also no slava We have our kopitar money. greene 2.5 and weals . 632 with pearson 1.4 is close to Dion at 5 Money is close enough imo. I don't see nashville needing a lw at all/ There top prospect list has 5 on it plus neal
would rather have drew mcnabb
dion jake
forbert martinez
thats a cup winning defense to me .
Raccoon Jesus
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Just like many other players, Dion isn't a significant enough upgrade on anyone on our second pairing to justify giving up the significant assets needed to get him. And I actually think I like Dion more than most do.
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KingCanadain1976
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even if hes the same it would allow us to move Martinez down and hes a hell of a up grade over anyone we have there. That is why you get Dion I would argue hes better right now then alec and i love a martinez Dion is a 20 + mins defenseman at worst can we say that about anyone in our bottom 6 I don't think we can
it probably is coming across like I do not like martinez, but I think $4M for a 5/6 is too much.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Muzzin, McNabb, Martinez are all over 20 min/game this year and every single one of them looks good doing it. I think it's arguable if Dion is even an upgrade on Mcnabb or Martinez, but even if it's a given that Dion is better, he's not SO much better that it's worth giving up Weal, gaborik, or any picks for it, especially when salary is considered.
I agree with your general point but right now it's looking like the opposite of what I said before the season. Before the season I said we needed a #3 d, 3C is okay, right now it's looking backwards from that as Shore looks overmatched and Weal hasn't done much in limited time (Andreoff is just fine on the 4th, at least he's showing flashes of brilliance and development). Unless DL can coup a Shattenkirk or someone that's a big upgrade, it's really not worth it, that's all I'm saying.
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KingCanadain1976
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I do agree its a lot for a 5/6 but lets call a spade a spade this team relies on defense to win games and if we are going to over spend anywhere it should be in our key area thats defense.
Also if a forward goes down its not hard to trade a defense man like alec for a top 6 forward or whatever we need. Extra top 4 defense man are very very valuable in case of injury.
Also we have cheap forwards to cover for it for a year or two.
KingCanadain1976
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lol i finally come around to thinking the d needs a upgrade and you turn around and think that
well i still say we need that upgrade especially with Kopitar questionable *yeah i heard he was ok till he shows it i'm going with questionable.I am not sold on McNabb in top six with drew babysitting him. I think we also need more physical play on that second pair that would be done with dion. I once read you (i think it was you correct me if i am wrong) call martinez on bottom pairing a luxury Well it maybe one but i think its a key to us winning a lot more games Again its Weal who has not shown alot imo and i still don't see it as much of a loss. We have at least one extra lw soon when King gets back also we have mersch ready to move up We can afford to move one for a upgrade which dion would be over CE or DF
I am overjoyed to finally have you see what i've been seeing in AA all along. Shore actually played ok last game imo He actually got a shot off and showed more offense with the more mins. However would get a upgrade in a heartbeat if the right deal come along Bozak at 50% comes to mind
lol i finally come around to thinking the d needs a upgrade and you turn around and think that
I am not sold on McNabb in top six with drew babysitting him. I think we also need more physical play on that second pair that would be done with dion. I once read you (i think it was you correct me if i am wrong) call martinez on bottom pairing a luxury Well it maybe one but i think its a key to us winning a lot more games Again its Weal who has not shown alot imo and i still don't see it as much of a loss. We have at least one extra lw soon when King gets back also we have mersch ready to move up We can afford to move one for a upgrade which dion would be over CE or DF
I am overjoyed to finally have you see what i've been seeing in AA all along. Shore actually played ok last game imo He actually got a shot off and showed more offense with the more mins. However would get a upgrade in a heartbeat if the right deal come along Bozak at 50% comes to mind
Bozak with less retention would do just fine as well
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KingCanadain1976
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Well there was a deal accepted a while back between me and a leaf fan bozak for weal and a 3rd not sure how much i got retain but it was a lot I think if we dont get 50% we need to send someone with weal dare i suggest king and weal for bozak
but then people will accuse me having a agenda :
KingCanadain1976
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Lots of other ways just need to be creative and trust in the farm team to replace guys. Mersch is coming soon
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I don't believe Dion Phaneuf to be an improvement on any of the Kings top 4 D. Worse than all of them. Maybe comparable to Ehrhoff but Erhoff is ridiculously cheaper. Phaneuf is one of the most overrated players in the game. You combine that will be a problem child at best off the ice it's hard pass on any deal involving him. I wouldn't even want him for free at half price. On a one year deal for 2 million? Maybe then as a bottom pairing guy I'd be ok with it, so long as Doughty, Brown, Carter, Kopitar keep him in his place off the ice.
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