Roster Talk: Nearing the 20 game mark

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Would the Kings consider buying out Brown? What's the implications?

Baha. hahahahahahahah you don't want to know.

Actually, if DL is just going for it the next few years, it's surprisingly un-bad before it gets cringey. If he were bought out in June '16 (using general fanager so if the math looks dicey it's them not me!), the cap hit would be 680,555 in 16-17, 1,180,555 in 17-18, 2,180,555 for 18-20, 3,680,555 in 20-22, then back to 1,180,555 until '28. Maybe not so horrible by itself, but Brown and Richards would be millions in dead cap some years. In other words, Brown and Richards would be on our books until some of us are in retirement homes (I'd be at my new daughter's high school graduation).

So, If you think the cap is gonna go up by several million in the next 5 years, go for it...and DL might, what GM plans on being employed 5 years from now if the team starts sucking with or without him? May be a calculated gamble, but better higher some economists/capologists to try to figure out the world economy for the next few years :)
 
Baha. hahahahahahahah you don't want to know.

Actually, if DL is just going for it the next few years, it's surprisingly un-bad before it gets cringey. If he were bought out in June '16 (using general fanager so if the math looks dicey it's them not me!), the cap hit would be 680,555 in 16-17, 1,180,555 in 17-18, 2,180,555 for 18-20, 3,680,555 in 20-22, then back to 1,180,555 until '28. Maybe not so horrible by itself, but Brown and Richards would be millions in dead cap some years. In other words, Brown and Richards would be on our books until some of us are in retirement homes (I'd be at my new daughter's high school graduation).

So, If you think the cap is gonna go up by several million in the next 5 years, go for it...and DL might, what GM plans on being employed 5 years from now if the team starts sucking with or without him? May be a calculated gamble, but better higher some economists/capologists to try to figure out the world economy for the next few years :)

I would hope that AEG continues to own the Kings, and that AEG has people that are smart enough to understand that at some point the team will go through a tear down and rebuild.

I can't think of any people I would want to have overseeing that activity other than Lombardi / Futa and their team.
 
I would hope that AEG continues to own the Kings, and that AEG has people that are smart enough to understand that at some point the team will go through a tear down and rebuild.

I can't think of any people I would want to have overseeing that activity other than Lombardi / Futa and their team.

I agree, and let's hope.

It's usually fanbase sentiment/reporters that put the heat on, so as long as DL can smooth-transition, I don't see any reason he can't hang on like the big guys.

Or, at the very least, let's hope DL steps down before being fired and Futa takes over.

DL has aged in his office like Obama has :laugh:
 
I agree, and let's hope.

It's usually fanbase sentiment/reporters that put the heat on, so as long as DL can smooth-transition, I don't see any reason he can't hang on like the big guys.

Or, at the very least, let's hope DL steps down before being fired and Futa takes over.

DL has aged in his office like Obama has :laugh:

Futa has to be next in line for the job, because if Blake gets it I will be physically ill.
 
I wouldn't want Kesler anywhere near this team. He doesn't have the mental toughness to win. Another mentally fragile Vancouver export. Even the smallest, most ridiculous thing will get him unhinged.
 
Futa has to be next in line for the job, because if Blake gets it I will be physically ill.

I just hope Futa stays in LA no matter what the scenario is. Futa is highly coveted around the league, its only a matter of time before he gets promoted again or jumps ship for a GM job somewhere else. thats the worst part about being successful...
 
I just hope Futa stays in LA no matter what the scenario is. Futa is highly coveted around the league, its only a matter of time before he gets promoted again or jumps ship for a GM job somewhere else. thats the worst part about being successful...

I think Dean needs to get promoted and just handle the non-GMing part of his job and let Futa take over as GM within the next few years.
 
Can they promote Brown to an off-ice role and have him just stop playing hockey, ala Chris Pronger? Just make up an excuse that Brown's hockey playing abilities are broken. That sounds like a legitimate reason. He is past his expiration date.
 
Can they promote Brown to an off-ice role and have him just stop playing hockey, ala Chris Pronger? Just make up an excuse that Brown's hockey playing abilities are broken. That sounds like a legitimate reason. He is past his expiration date.

He needs to get a job working for the NHL first.
 
Chris Nichols
@NicholsOnHockey

LeBrun: Kopitar contract w/ #LAKings "very, very close." Eight years, around $9.75 million per. I think it'll be announced sometime in Jan.
 
http://lakingsnews.com/2015/12/16/hump-day-with-scribe/

Entirely possible, but I wonder if he's heard something.

Unless DL has really turned a corner in regards to getting too personally attached, I'll believe it when I see it. As much as I despise Brown as a hockey player these days, he's done a lot for the franchise, and I doubt DL just ships him away. If anything, I foresee some kind of buried cap hit situation where Dean figures out how to pay Brown but gets him off the ice.

I mean, we're all pretty much in agreement that Brown and his contract are and will continue to be a major albatross for this team, but I have a tough time believing papa Dean will just trade him.
 
Chris Nichols
@NicholsOnHockey

LeBrun: Kopitar contract w/ #LAKings "very, very close." Eight years, around $9.75 million per. I think it'll be announced sometime in Jan.

:handclap: I hope Kopitar never wears another NHL jersey. Same with Doughty, same with Quick.
 
Chris Nichols
@NicholsOnHockey

LeBrun: Kopitar contract w/ #LAKings "very, very close." Eight years, around $9.75 million per. I think it'll be announced sometime in Jan.

so nothing new then? That has been the reported deal for a while now. Not surprising it is re-reported when the Kings are playing in Eastern Canada
 
I made it home and for the first time in a long time i listened to Hockey buzz cast and they said Eklund sent a text that we were interested in Scott Hartnell There were no names attached by Eklund but the cast ( Russ Cohan and Mike Augello ) speculated that we could send clifford or lewis ( mostly clifford because lewis is more important ) zykov and Erik Cernak. I ask why were would he even fit in theory ?
 
I made it home and for the first time in a long time i listened to Hockey buzz cast and they said Eklund sent a text that we were interested in Scott Hartnell There were no names attached by Eklund but the cast ( Russ Cohan and Mike Augello ) speculated that we could send clifford or lewis ( mostly clifford because lewis is more important ) zykov and Erik Cernak. I ask why were would he even fit in theory ?

I like hartnell but we already have one overpaid winger who cannot stay on his feet, and he wears the "c".
seriously how in the hell would LA fit Hartnell's $4.75M/yr inito the cap the next 3 years? The way he plays it would not surprise me if that deal is terrible in the very near future. Only way I would be interested is if Columbus retained 50% and took Greene going the other way. Would not be ok with moving out Zykov or Cernak for Hartnell either.
Eklund is an idiot
 
back to dustin brown, his enigma is becoming a bit of obsession for me as i'm trying to understand the discrepancy between his possession and production stats this season. today i've played with war-on-ice charts for a couple of hours and the attached chart came out as some sort of consolation.

the discrepancy is simple and very visible:
1. he's having great corsi-related stats
2. he's producing almost nothing (GP: 31, G: 2, A: 7)

as i've noticed there are two camps on this board when we come to the interpretation of his stats numbers:
1. he's having some variance-related bad luck
2. he's getting old & worse, a guy declining & just shooting blinds

i've tried to check these observations and the attached chart is telling a lot. the focus was only on his "for" department (so this should not be read as a final verdict for his overall performance this season). but i've also put a lot of weight on how his linemates are doing.

4 variables:
- x axis: corsi for, per 60 minutes
- y axis: on-ice scoring chances, per 60 minutes
- color variable: on-ice high-danger scoring chances for, per 60 minutes
- size variable: on-ice goals for, per 60 minutes

a very simplified interpretation:
- brown is much better than last season, no decline visible here, quite contrary, he is performing much better
- he's not just shooting blinds, he is producing chances, even close to his career highs
- overall it seems like a strong argument for a "bad luck" theory.

but that's just stats, right
 
Interesting post, MrKolice. I'll have to look at it more later.

Drive-by to post today's lines.



I've had a suspicion since last week that Mersch will take Weal's place on the roster.
 
back to dustin brown, his enigma is becoming a bit of obsession for me as i'm trying to understand the discrepancy between his possession and production stats this season. today i've played with war-on-ice charts for a couple of hours and the attached chart came out as some sort of consolation.

the discrepancy is simple and very visible:
1. he's having great corsi-related stats
2. he's producing almost nothing (GP: 31, G: 2, A: 7)

as i've noticed there are two camps on this board when we come to the interpretation of his stats numbers:
1. he's having some variance-related bad luck
2. he's getting old & worse, a guy declining & just shooting blinds

i've tried to check these observations and the attached chart is telling a lot. the focus was only on his "for" department (so this should not be read as a final verdict for his overall performance this season). but i've also put a lot of weight on how his linemates are doing.

4 variables:
- x axis: corsi for, per 60 minutes
- y axis: on-ice scoring chances, per 60 minutes
- color variable: on-ice high-danger scoring chances for, per 60 minutes
- size variable: on-ice goals for, per 60 minutes

a very simplified interpretation:
- brown is much better than last season, no decline visible here, quite contrary, he is performing much better
- he's not just shooting blinds, he is producing chances, even close to his career highs
- overall it seems like a strong argument for a "bad luck" theory.

but that's just stats, right

I had a similar conclusion in the lengthy Brown thread, but this year he LOOKS better, too...if you go back and watch some 2012 games (I watched a few last night), he doesn't look significantly different on the ice...to me, imo, the biggest different is net crashing, his shot distance has grown immensely.

EDIT cant link right now because on mobile on the run, but go to sportingcharts.com and you can see the map of brown's shots and that his shooting % in 2012 was 10.43% vs. 2.02% this season possibly influenced by his avg. shot distance--27.47 ft in 2012 vs. 32.31 ft today (and 25 ft in years before that)
 
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