Roster Talk: Nearing the 20 game mark

[mrkolice]

lewis is back, lakingsinsider, DECEMBER 18 PRACTICE NOTES: http://lakingsinsider.com/2015/12/18/december-18-practice-notes-photos/

 

[SettlementRichie10]

So if no trades were to be made at all, do you guys think the Kings will make it far in the playoffs and beat the Hawks?

The Hawks don't have the depth this year, and they'll be completely out of gas in April/May like we were after Cup-WCF-Cup. I'm not worried about the Hawks in the playoffs at all.

 

[Ron*]

Mayor on Twitter- NHL holiday trade freeze kicks in tmrw.

Hearing Kings might make small deal.

"Hearing" what from who? No specifics. I could tweet the same thing.

Had something brewing recently; may opt for minor roster tweak.

Again, no specifics as to whom was involved and how "recent" it was. Again, I could tweet the same thing. How is what this guy tweets relevant to anything for discussion is beyond me. There is nothing to discuss because no specifics are ever mentioned.

I guess he learned from all the wrong Williams info that he continuously regurgitated from 2012 to 2014. Can't paint himself into a corner and denial is easy when no names are mentioned.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Dean doesn't do small deals. Looks at his recent acquisitions. Calling a player up or sending one down is not a deal.

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

Dean doesn't do small deals. Looks at his recent acquisitions. Calling a player up or sending one down is not a deal.

There's the Kozun for Crescenzi swap with Toronto.

 

[Herby]

The Hawks don't have the depth this year, and they'll be completely out of gas in April/May like we were after Cup-WCF-Cup. I'm not worried about the Hawks in the playoffs at all.

That was a cop out excuse as to why the Kings sucked last year.

The Kings sucked because they couldn't win a shootout and they had two AHL centers playing regularly for most of the season, add to that the bottom six wingers were awful.

 

[damacles1156]

The Hawks will be fine, Toews/Kane/Keith are that good.

Patrick Kane is the best player in the NHL, better than Ovi, better than Crosby, better than Malkin ETC.

If the Kings and Hawks meet again, it will be a coin flip, like Always.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Hawks just need to get into the playoffs. And they will.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

That was a cop out excuse as to why the Kings sucked last year.

The Kings sucked because they couldn't win a shootout and they had two AHL centers playing regularly for most of the season, add to that the bottom six wingers were awful.

Not really a cop out excuse when the coach and players are all echoing the same sentiment.

I'm not saying they didn't have real problems in game; they did. But they were also out of gas.

 

[damacles1156]

I don't buy the fatigue excuse, look at Patrick Kane. Also don't give me that different style garbage.

Patrick Kane gets hit, A LOT.

Also Keith/Toews/Hossa don't look tired, Keith is what ? 32 years old ? The Hawks play at a higher tempo then the Kings as well.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Patrick Kane has one of the hardest jobs in the league. Teams double and triple team him. That's what makes his play even more impressive.

 

[kingsfan28]

I would imagine it would be interchangeable, but I think the key with Brown is having someone that stands in front of the net. I'd like to see Brown-Lewis-Mersch actually, that's a lot of things thrown at the net in traffic.

It wouldn't stay that way anyways. I'm pretty sure Sutter has dungeon dice and rolls them in between periods for combos.

You need someone who can pass the puck to the forwards, and sadley Lewis does that about as well as he scores.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't buy the fatigue excuse, look at Patrick Kane. Also don't give me that different style garbage.

Patrick Kane gets hit, A LOT.

Also Keith/Toews/Hossa don't look tired, Keith is what ? 32 years old ? The Hawks play at a higher tempo then the Kings as well.

What?

Kane is one example who is superhuman, but I also wouldn't call him 'relentless,' so it makes sense that he has energy.

Keith/Toews/Hossa look PLENTY tired. Keith is the best of the bunch but has legendary fitness. Toews is not his usual self this year, neither his Hossa, who is on pace for a huge drop in production too. Toews is on a worse pace than Kopitar and you see how much **** he gets around here. The new guys in Panarin and even TT offset that a bit, but the guys who played last year are tiiiired. You can see it in TB, too. Guys, the playoff hangover is real.

 

[kingsfan28]

What?

Kane is one example who is superhuman, but I also wouldn't call him 'relentless,' so it makes sense that he has energy.

Keith/Toews/Hossa look PLENTY tired. Keith is the best of the bunch but has legendary fitness. Toews is not his usual self this year, neither his Hossa, who is on pace for a huge drop in production too. Toews is on a worse pace than Kopitar and you see how much **** he gets around here. The new guys in Panarin and even TT offset that a bit, but the guys who played last year are tiiiired. You can see it in TB, too. Guys, the playoff hangover is real.

I've heard that being mentioned with the Ranger too.Lots of games, little rest in the off season.

 

[The Night King]

Don't know how anyone can deny that players can get tired after countless intense playoff games (plus OT periods) to the point they're going on pure adrenaline.

 

[damacles1156]

Don't know how anyone can deny that players can get tired after countless intense playoff games (plus OT periods) to the point they're going on pure adrenaline.

Do players get tired ? YES they do.

Is it the (Whole) reason an entire season goes off the rails ? NO!

I refuse to buy that excuse. Does it contribute ? Yes it can.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Do players get tired ? YES they do.

Is it the (Whole) reason an entire season goes off the rails ? NO!

I refuse to buy that excuse. Does it contribute ? Yes it can.

Body is more susceptible to injury with fatigue too, fwiw

You don't have to buy it but there's enough evidence that I've seen and enough that I've felt from my playing days to believe that sort of thing can linger, never mind what all the Kings said about having several more months to train/prepare instead of just recover...even if it's not crazy long-term fatigue it might be lack of strong training due to time constraints.

 

[mrkolice]

I had a similar conclusion in the lengthy Brown thread, but this year he LOOKS better, too...if you go back and watch some 2012 games (I watched a few last night), he doesn't look significantly different on the ice...to me, imo, the biggest different is net crashing, his shot distance has grown immensely.

EDIT cant link right now because on mobile on the run, but go to sportingcharts.com and you can see the map of brown's shots and that his shooting % in 2012 was 10.43% vs. 2.02% this season possibly influenced by his avg. shot distance--27.47 ft in 2012 vs. 32.31 ft today (and 25 ft in years before that)

i've checked those and compared his current season with 2011/12, the chart is attached, only for even strength.

the difference with two words, as it seems: netfront presence.

i've also reread Should We Really Be Surprised That Dustin Brown Remains Goalless? by Jason Lewis from November 4 2015. the chart today is maybe not so ugly as it was then, but still, well, it's not pretty either. obviously it's complicated.

is it possible to get raw data for shot distance? i've been googling it without success. the idea is to make a table with columns:
- season
- 0-10 ft %
- 10-20 ft %
- 10-20 ft %
- 20-30 ft %
- >30 ft %

such table could be more useful than charts or comparing rough average distances.

another thing that is unclear here is how brown performed with different linemates over the years. back in 11/12 he played mostly with kopitar, williams and richards. his toi with kopi started dropping last season, simultaneously as his production. it's a cause vs consequence question, what happened first, but even more importantly his role on ice changed a lot after that, and maybe he is still adjusting to it.

anyhow, it's perfectly fine with me if the tide turns and dustin starts scoring in the playoffs.

 

[Ron*]

What?

Kane is one example who is superhuman, but I also wouldn't call him 'relentless,' so it makes sense that he has energy.

Keith/Toews/Hossa look PLENTY tired. Keith is the best of the bunch but has legendary fitness. Toews is not his usual self this year, neither his Hossa, who is on pace for a huge drop in production too. Toews is on a worse pace than Kopitar and you see how much **** he gets around here. The new guys in Panarin and even TT offset that a bit, but the guys who played last year are tiiiired. You can see it in TB, too. Guys, the playoff hangover is real.

I can agree with a lot of this...but thanks to Crawford's amazing play recently, the Blackhawks have a decent record so far this year. Will be interesting to see what happens to this team when Crawford resumes his old self.

 

[deeshamrock]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kings-anze-kopitar-contract-getting-closer-to-being-done/

Friedman reporting the Kopi deal is pretty much done, that the NMC issue has been resolved

“One of the hangups was believed to be a no-move or no-trade clause,” Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman noted during Saturday’s Headlines segment on Hockey Night in Canada. “But whatever the solution is there, we understand it’s been reached, and it’s no longer an issue.”

Reports have indicated the contract would span the maximum eight years, with an annual value just shy of Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane’s league-leading $10.5 million per year.

so is the 9.75M that was reported 'just shy' of 10.5?

And I hope the NMC is no more than the first 4 years. That would have been a fair compromise from the Kings want no NMC and Kopi's camp wanting perhaps a full MNC lke most elite players get.

 

[Trolfoli]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kings-anze-kopitar-contract-getting-closer-to-being-done/

Friedman reporting the Kopi deal is pretty much done, that the NMC issue has been resolved




so is the 9.75M that was reported 'just shy' of 10.5?

And I hope the NMC is no more than the first 4 years. That would have been a fair compromise from the Kings want no NMC and Kopi's camp wanting perhaps a full MNC lke most elite players get.

Can we start complaining now that he's over paid and will never live up to the contract. He'll be Ron's age by the time it finishes, the Kings are doomed... or do we have to wait for the official announcement?

You'd think Kopitar would at least get his own thread.

 

[damacles1156]

Can we start complaining now that he's over paid and will never live up to the contract. He'll be Ron's age by the time it finishes, the Kings are doomed... or do we have to wait for the official announcement?

You'd think Kopitar would at least get his own thread.

This is not news, they have been talking about the same thing for about a month now.

 

[Ron*]

Can we start complaining now that he's over paid and will never live up to the contract. He'll be Ron's age by the time it finishes, the Kings are doomed... or do we have to wait for the official announcement?

You'd think Kopitar would at least get his own thread.

Older.

This is not news, they have been talking about the same thing for about a month now.

Two months.

 

[Ron*]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kings-anze-kopitar-contract-getting-closer-to-being-done/

Friedman reporting the Kopi deal is pretty much done, that the NMC issue has been resolved




so is the 9.75M that was reported 'just shy' of 10.5?

And I hope the NMC is no more than the first 4 years. That would have been a fair compromise from the Kings want no NMC and Kopi's camp wanting perhaps a full MNC lke most elite players get.

Actually, what he said was "just shy of $10MM, if not $10MM." So not quite Toews/Kane money but I don't think he's gonna be complaining too much on the way to the bank.

 

[KINGS17]

What?

Kane is one example who is superhuman, but I also wouldn't call him 'relentless,' so it makes sense that he has energy.

Keith/Toews/Hossa look PLENTY tired. Keith is the best of the bunch but has legendary fitness. Toews is not his usual self this year, neither his Hossa, who is on pace for a huge drop in production too. Toews is on a worse pace than Kopitar and you see how much **** he gets around here. The new guys in Panarin and even TT offset that a bit, but the guys who played last year are tiiiired. You can see it in TB, too. Guys, the playoff hangover is real.

Toews is definitely not worth his AAV this season, but then again I didn't think he was worth the AAV he received when he signed the deal. No player in the NHL should be making an AAV of $10.5M.