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At the 27 game mark, the Kings have played one third of the regular season.

Dustin Brown is projected to score 27 points over the whole season at this pace. Guess how many points he's had each of the last two seasons? That's right, 27.

Those who think Brownie's gonna bust out at some point should know that he's averaged 1 point per three games for 2013-14, 2014-15, and 2015-16.
 
PJ Kings Hockey said:
Probably means the opposite. I've had friends like that. They're the nicest people, going out with complete nightmares. You and your friends try to wake your friend up to what a train wreck it is they're dating. Until the day you all realize your friend doesn't want to be saved. They like the drama. :shakehead
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thanks...i think? lol

lumbergh said:
At the 27 game mark, the Kings have played one third of the regular season.

Dustin Brown is projected to score 27 points over the whole season at this pace. Guess how many points he's had each of the last two seasons? That's right, 27.

Those who think Brownie's gonna bust out at some point should know that he's averaged 1 point per three games for 2013-14, 2014-15, and 2015-16.
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well, there's something to be said for consistency i guess
 
lumbergh said:
At the 27 game mark, the Kings have played one third of the regular season.

Dustin Brown is projected to score 27 points over the whole season at this pace. Guess how many points he's had each of the last two seasons? That's right, 27.

Those who think Brownie's gonna bust out at some point should know that he's averaged 1 point per three games for 2013-14, 2014-15, and 2015-16.
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Brown's contract is a big issue going forward.

Meanwhile Kopitar is on a pace for 50 points. While it is far more likely that Kopitar will heat up and improve his pace and end up with 60 points, his production is following the trend he has established over the last couple of seasons.

Don't get me wrong, Kopitar is a great defensive center with the offensive punch of a very good 2C, but I think I value that more in the range of Bergeron-money, especially with the cap not expected to increase by a substantial amount.

The guy wants a $10M AAV, Dean has to be shaking his head.
 
lumbergh said:
Those who think Brownie's gonna bust out at some point should know that he's averaged 1 point per three games for 2013-14, 2014-15, and 2015-16.
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I had written him off the last two seasons and expected him to be better this year given his commitment to training in the off-season, but its the same old story. he can be effective when he's physical and forechecking but he hasnt shown any consistency this season. have to think Deaner is mulling over what to do with him
 
cali101 said:
if today's line rushes are an indication mersch will get to play with brown and shore on line 3 and weal will be on line 4 with andreoff and nolan. so no, weal won't get to play with brown, which is too bad. would've liked to see how they'd work out. might give him a chance to play more offensively. we've got to wait and see what the line rushes are tmrw but things are probably set.

anyone know prognosis on clifford? lewis? king? i am assuming king and clifford will be out longer than lewis?
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DS even hinted he might go with 7 D, which would leave Weal out. He can reduce McNabb minutes a bit by playing Forbort with DD. So...
 
KINGS17 said:
Brown's contract is a big issue going forward.

Meanwhile Kopitar is on a pace for 50 points. While it is far more likely that Kopitar will heat up and improve his pace and end up with 60 points, his production is following the trend he has established over the last couple of seasons.

Don't get me wrong, Kopitar is a great defensive center with the offensive punch of a very good 2C, but I think I value that more in the range of Bergeron-money, especially with the cap not expected to increase by a substantial amount.

The guy wants a $10M AAV, Dean has to be shaking his head.
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Kopitar has 10 points in the past 10 games. He is also consistently a 65-75 point guy. Sutter earlier said that Kopitar will end up around 60 points again. Maybe not 10 mil AAV, but he is a consistent producer.
 
lumbergh said:
At the 27 game mark, the Kings have played one third of the regular season.

Dustin Brown is projected to score 27 points over the whole season at this pace. Guess how many points he's had each of the last two seasons? That's right, 27.

Those who think Brownie's gonna bust out at some point should know that he's averaged 1 point per three games for 2013-14, 2014-15, and 2015-16.
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If only he earned Trevor Lewis money, because that is what he's really worth when it comes to on-ice performance.
 
theMajor said:
I had written him off the last two seasons and expected him to be better this year given his commitment to training in the off-season, but its the same old story. he can be effective when he's physical and forechecking but he hasnt shown any consistency this season. have to think Deaner is mulling over what to do with him
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What I'm trying to tell you that Brown has shown consistency. Going on three seasons.
 
lumbergh said:
Kopitar has 10 points in the past 10 games. He is also consistently a 65-75 point guy. Sutter earlier said that Kopitar will end up around 60 points again. Maybe not 10 mil AAV, but he is a consistent producer.
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He is going to consistently be around a 55-point guy as he enters his early 30's. The trend has been established in my opinion. And yes, Kopitar may have 10 points in his last 10 games. He is likely to have 2 or 3 points over a 10-game stretch at some point as well.

Is that worth the AAV Kopitar's agent is asking? Not sure where this mentality of the agents and players comes from where every contract has to be more than or equal to the last big one signed in the NHL as circumstances change over time.
 
Looking forward to Mersch's debut and hope he shows that he has the potential to be a top six. The Kings are going to need some discounted goal scorers on ELCs soon. I doubt Dean can move Brown without retaining significant salary.
 
lumbergh said:
What I'm trying to tell you that Brown has shown consistency. Going on three seasons.
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Yep, I was horribly wrong about Brown's production. He has pretty much stopped going to the net altogether; he could learn from Lucic, whose shooting % is inflated like Brown's used to be by getting tap ins and junk around the net with physicality.

Love everything else he's bringing, to be honest, he's still an effective NHL player, but that contract hurts. I wish he'd just do the simple things that made him effective production-wise for a decade because theoretically they are easier than what he's trying to do (puck-carry and dangle for a whole line).
 
Brad Doty said:
Love everything else he's bringing, to be honest, he's still an effective NHL player, but that contract hurts. I wish he'd just do the simple things that made him effective production-wise for a decade because theoretically they are easier than what he's trying to do (puck-carry and dangle for a whole line).
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Id be happy to see him hit more to create space for his linemates. when hes hitting, the rest of his game seems to fall in line. I know Sutter stresses having an 'identity' and I think the biggest reason Brown has been so bad is because hes lost his identity as a player
 
Folks.

Dustin Brown in terms of Hockey played is OLD. Brown has played 829 NHL games, along with 79 playoff games.

There is a reason 1000 NHL games is celebrated. When a player reaches 8-10 years in the league or 1000 NHL games, THEY ARE OLD, in hockey terms.

Especially in today's hockey climate, it's a young man's game.
 
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damacles1156 said:
Folks. I say this every time a player declines in production.

Dustin Brown in terms of Hockey played is OLD. Brown has played damn near 830 NHL games, along with 79 playoff games.

There is a reason 1000 NHL games is celebrated. When a player reaches 8-10 years in the league or 1000 NHL games, THEY ARE OLD, in hockey terms.

Especially in today's hockey climate, it's a young man's game.
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1000 is huge. Especially with one team.
In it's near 50 year history LA only had two players to play 1000 games as a king. Luc and Taylor.
Brown is 4th all time in games played by a king. That is truly special given an original 12 franchise (can we make that a thing)
This kings club may end up be torn apart due ot the cap or just be a few key guys and a bunch of plug ins in a couple of year, but this is truly the best years of Kings hockey ever. Hell even Quick is LA's all time GP by a goaltender.
30 years from now I hope my kids are looking up kings all time stats, and being like "damn if only I could see Kopitar, Brown, Quick and Drew play as kings".

Edit: Also not every team has a player ever play 1000 games as a member of that club. The other original 12 team LA is playing tonight doesn't. Most GP as Pen is Lemieux with 915.
 
Out of curiosity I pulled up the regular season games played numbers for every active NHL player and found that Dustin Brown is 15th on the list. Here are the leaders:

1. Patrick Marleau, 1357
2. Shane Doan, 1241
3. Patrik Elias, 1232
4. Jarome Iginla, 1188
5. Chris Phillips, 1179
6. Henrik Sedin, 1122
7. Daniel Sedin, 1091
8. Vincent Lecavalier, 1037
9. Chris Neil, 922
10. Pavel Datsyuk, 901
11. David Legwand, 894
12. Andrei Markov, 876
13. Eric Staal, 874
14. Henrik Zetterberg, 865
15. Dustin Brown, 829
16. Jaromir Jagr, 806

Both Eric Staal and Dustin Brown are the only ones in that group who were taken in the 2003 draft, and both turned 31 early in the season.

While I expect players to slow down with age, I don't think Dean Lombardi anticipated such a steep drop off in production from him. Let's not forget that he still has had opportunities to play in a top six role when Sutter shuffled lines, but he played his way off of Kopitar's line like he has been doing over the past few seasons.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Out of curiosity I pulled up the regular season games played numbers for every active NHL player and found that Dustin Brown is 15th on the list. Here are the leaders:

1. Patrick Marleau, 1357
2. Shane Doan, 1241
3. Patrik Elias, 1232
4. Jarome Iginla, 1188
5. Chris Phillips, 1179
6. Henrik Sedin, 1122
7. Daniel Sedin, 1091
8. Vincent Lecavalier, 1037
9. Chris Neil, 922
10. Pavel Datsyuk, 901
11. David Legwand, 894
12. Andrei Markov, 876
13. Eric Staal, 874
14. Henrik Zetterberg, 865
15. Dustin Brown, 829
16. Jaromir Jagr, 806

Both Eric Staal and Dustin Brown are the only ones in that group who were taken in the 2003 draft, and both turned 31 early in the season.

While I expect players to slow down with age, I don't think Dean Lombardi anticipated such a steep drop off in production from him. Let's not forget that he still has had opportunities to play in a top six role when Sutter shuffled lines, but he played his way off of Kopitar's line like he has been doing over the past few seasons.
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Don't know where you got your list but Jaromir Jagr has played 1575 NHL games, not 806. Lecavalier has played 1170, not 1037.

I think that list is number of games played for one organization. EDIT: I see that's what you are talking about. :facepalm:.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Out of curiosity I pulled up the regular season games played numbers for every active NHL player and found that Dustin Brown is 15th on the list. Here are the leaders:

1. Patrick Marleau, 1357
2. Shane Doan, 1241
3. Patrik Elias, 1232
4. Jarome Iginla, 1188
5. Chris Phillips, 1179
6. Henrik Sedin, 1122
7. Daniel Sedin, 1091
8. Vincent Lecavalier, 1037
9. Chris Neil, 922
10. Pavel Datsyuk, 901
11. David Legwand, 894
12. Andrei Markov, 876
13. Eric Staal, 874
14. Henrik Zetterberg, 865
15. Dustin Brown, 829
16. Jaromir Jagr, 806

Both Eric Staal and Dustin Brown are the only ones in that group who were taken in the 2003 draft, and both turned 31 early in the season.

While I expect players to slow down with age, I don't think Dean Lombardi anticipated such a steep drop off in production from him. Let's not forget that he still has had opportunities to play in a top six role when Sutter shuffled lines, but he played his way off of Kopitar's line like he has been doing over the past few seasons.
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The point is, Dustin Brown is old(in hockey years), and likely not ever going to produce again.

It seems simple that he should just go to the net ETC. But that requires the (WILL), and (Desire) to get the crap beat out of you nightly.

Gaborik was willing to do that last two seasons, this season not so much.
Brown hasn't been willing too(consistently) since he signed his deal.

It is, what it is.
 
KINGS17 said:
Brown's contract is a big issue going forward.

Meanwhile Kopitar is on a pace for 50 points. While it is far more likely that Kopitar will heat up and improve his pace and end up with 60 points, his production is following the trend he has established over the last couple of seasons.

Don't get me wrong, Kopitar is a great defensive center with the offensive punch of a very good 2C, but I think I value that more in the range of Bergeron-money, especially with the cap not expected to increase by a substantial amount.

The guy wants a $10M AAV, Dean has to be shaking his head.
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Lets hijack another thread. OK
Just wondering if Kopi is a 2C,what is Toews then ? A great defensive 2C ? Am I on the right path... Kopi deserves Bergeron money but not Toews.
 
TopT said:
Lets hijack another thread. OK
Just wondering if Kopi is a 2C,what is Toews then ? A great defensive 2C ? Am I on the right path... Kopi deserves Bergeron money but not Toews.
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I have said over and over again that Toews is overpaid, and that his contract when signed, was based on the expectation that the salary cap would be $80M by next season.

So no, Kopitar's play does not warrant Toews-money. If Dean Lombardi thought Kopitar was worth $80M over 8 years, Kopitar would have already been signed. Do you have any other rhetorical questions you would like to ask?
 
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