Roster Talk: Nearing the 20 game mark

[KingCanadain1976]

Dowd is more suited to be the 4C than Weal. Weal at best is competing for a 1C, 2C slot and at worst the 3C. However, if Weal isn't used with better wingers or on the PP, then he's useless in the lineup, and we'd be better off with Dowd.

I totally agree with what your saying however Weal would be benched if Dowd comes up Mean he would be 3rd line c and shore would move to 4c to start out.

 

[King'sPawn]

exactly... context is everything.
jeez people are so "what have you done for me lately"
give the kid some time - literally.

whatever happens i'd rather see the kings trade him than put the mvp of calder cup championship on waivers.

Do you think the criticism regarding Weal is unfair or inaccurate?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Do you think the criticism regarding Weal is unfair or inaccurate?

it's not, he's simply agreeing with me that it requires context.

There's no denying Mersch has been put in a better position to succeed. Whether that's fair or not, them's the breaks, but I can't understand, from the outside looking in, what the organization is doing with Weal. With all the comments in the offseason about "this guy won't be denied" and wondering aloud if they need a Gaudreau/Johnson type player, it's confusing that he's saddled on the 4th line with anchors and given minimal playing time even with several injuries.

Of course I think Mersch is the better NHL prospect and had passed Weal up in that regard in many eyes, i get that, but why even try to square-peg-round-hole him in an extreme checking role? Just trade him for some plug vet 4th liner and be done with it.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

it's not, he's simply agreeing with me that it requires context.

There's no denying Mersch has been put in a better position to succeed. Whether that's fair or not, them's the breaks, but I can't understand, from the outside looking in, what the organization is doing with Weal. With all the comments in the offseason about "this guy won't be denied" and wondering aloud if they need a Gaudreau/Johnson type player, it's confusing that he's saddled on the 4th line with anchors and given minimal playing time even with several injuries.

Of course I think Mersch is the better NHL prospect and had passed Weal up in that regard in many eyes, i get that, but why even try to square-peg-round-hole him in an extreme checking role? Just trade him for some plug vet 4th liner and be done with it.

wow your finally coming around to what i said in the preseason about Weal took a while but nice to see. Management was saying a lot of good things about him not being denied but that was all said before we got lucic . I never heard anything after that. As i said before i didnt see a spot for him as we had carter kopitar and shore as are top 3 centers and with lucic coming we were set on wing as well. I had nothing against him persay just didnt see the fit spot for him. I just hope we get something decent for him.

 

[bob77]

I totally agree with what your saying however Weal would be benched if Dowd comes up Mean he would be 3rd line c and shore would move to 4c to start out.

I could easily see that.

 

[Trolfoli]

it's not, he's simply agreeing with me that it requires context.

There's no denying Mersch has been put in a better position to succeed. Whether that's fair or not, them's the breaks, but I can't understand, from the outside looking in, what the organization is doing with Weal. With all the comments in the offseason about "this guy won't be denied" and wondering aloud if they need a Gaudreau/Johnson type player, it's confusing that he's saddled on the 4th line with anchors and given minimal playing time even with several injuries.

Of course I think Mersch is the better NHL prospect and had passed Weal up in that regard in many eyes, i get that, but why even try to square-peg-round-hole him in an extreme checking role? Just trade him for some plug vet 4th liner and be done with it.

Mersch 230, Weal not 230. Sutter has difficulty integrating young offensive talent into the lineup. Look at was Pearson/Toffoli recently went through, and they may be better then Weal at the time of their call up. Weal just isn't going to get much ice time. The development staff liking Weal and Sutter playing Weal are not the same thing.

Mersch/Shore/Brown, vs what was it last game Weal/Andy/Nolan? From an offensive stand point, Brown/Shore only have 2 more goals then Andy/Nolan so I'm not sure how much worse it is to be on the 4th line then the 3rd line.

What are these other posts about trading Pearson? Kings are sitting at 21'st for goals for. They do not need to trade a winger that knows there's a net in the offensive end of the ice. Same with Gaborik. He's playing better now that he's been moved away from the offensive black holes, and he has a shot that can beat an NHL goalie!!!! If any wingers go it needs to be the ones that can't score a goal to save their lives. Kings can't afford to get worse at scoring goals.

 

[bob77]

it's not, he's simply agreeing with me that it requires context.

There's no denying Mersch has been put in a better position to succeed. Whether that's fair or not, them's the breaks, but I can't understand, from the outside looking in, what the organization is doing with Weal. With all the comments in the offseason about "this guy won't be denied" and wondering aloud if they need a Gaudreau/Johnson type player, it's confusing that he's saddled on the 4th line with anchors and given minimal playing time even with several injuries.

Of course I think Mersch is the better NHL prospect and had passed Weal up in that regard in many eyes, i get that, but why even try to square-peg-round-hole him in an extreme checking role? Just trade him for some plug vet 4th liner and be done with it.

Weal is very talented. But the Kings style and system is a mismatch. Also, DS tends to stack the deck with more defensive minded players the deeper or further down the lineup. Other team out there don't do this as much. For Weal to be effective, he'll need one of two things. Wingers like Toffoli, Pearson, Gaborik, Mersch, Lucic. Or, move him into a W slot along Kopitar or Carter! He's a top 6 type player, and if the Kings aren't going to play him there, or have a third line that slots in more offensive talent as some other teams do, then they might as well start thinking about what they could get for him, and sooner rather than later.

 

[cali101]

it's not, he's simply agreeing with me that it requires context.

There's no denying Mersch has been put in a better position to succeed. Whether that's fair or not, them's the breaks, but I can't understand, from the outside looking in, what the organization is doing with Weal. With all the comments in the offseason about "this guy won't be denied" and wondering aloud if they need a Gaudreau/Johnson type player, it's confusing that he's saddled on the 4th line with anchors and given minimal playing time even with several injuries.

Of course I think Mersch is the better NHL prospect and had passed Weal up in that regard in many eyes, i get that, but why even try to square-peg-round-hole him in an extreme checking role? Just trade him for some plug vet 4th liner and be done with it.

once again mr. doty nails it. not much to add...

...Or, move him into a W slot along Kopitar or Carter! He's a top 6 type player, and if the Kings aren't going to play him there, or have a third line that slots in more offensive talent as some other teams do, then they might as well start thinking about what they could get for him, and sooner rather than later.

also agree with this...
weal could easily be slotted on wing
no need to keep him at center

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Weal is very talented. But the Kings style and system is a mismatch. Also, DS tends to stack the deck with more defensive minded players the deeper or further down the lineup. Other team out there don't do this as much. For Weal to be effective, he'll need one of two things. Wingers like Toffoli, Pearson, Gaborik, Mersch, Lucic. Or, move him into a W slot along Kopitar or Carter! He's a top 6 type player, and if the Kings aren't going to play him there, or have a third line that slots in more offensive talent as some other teams do, then they might as well start thinking about what they could get for him, and sooner rather than later.

I don't disagree with this at all. I could see him working on the wing too but the question there would be, as you point out, his defensive boardwork and positioning. Obviously not comparing them as acutal players, but I think if Justin Williams can succeed here, Weal can too (provided he's legitimately got the ability--the jury is out on that). But if he's not going to get the opportunity--and I'm not complaining because that means we don't have any top six injuries knock on wood--think about moving him for an asset you'll hold for that spot. Weal and something nice for Komarov, for example. Right now he's just a depreciating asset.

 

[Fishhead]

It boils down to Weal not being as good as anyone in the top 6, not even close. Mersch, on the other hand, is very close to (or better) than some of the players in the bottom 6 already. There aren't any spots open for Weal at all, and there wont be barring a slew of injuries.

Weal could be Mozart, but if he's asked to be a painter it's just not going to work.

 

[Trolfoli]

Probably too soon, but with the Ducks in last place in the conference, an internal cap, and multiple nice RFA's, I wonder if Lombardi could work a trade? You know, to help the Ducks with their cap by taking some nice players off their hands.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Probably too soon, but with the Ducks in last place in the conference, an internal cap, and multiple nice RFA's, I wonder if Lombardi could work a trade? You know, to help the Ducks with their cap by taking some nice players off their hands.

I mean, I can't think of anything in between--they're loaded with either young and promising RFAs that they'll keep or aging crap like Stoner. Who on the Ducks could we afford that 1. would help us and 2. they'd actually part with, much less to a divisional rival? Like, maybe Cogliano?

 

[kingsfan28]

Looks like Matt berry is at it again lol from his blog Keith Yandle told a mutual friend, “Looks like I’ll be heading to L.A. next season”

Matt's blog is always good for a few laughs. I always remember him wearing a Kings jersey with Stamkos on it, then he got called out about it by people on that other board and was basically ripped to shreds, much to his dislike.

 

[Trolfoli]

I mean, I can't think of anything in between--they're loaded with either young and promising RFAs that they'll keep or aging crap like Stoner. Who on the Ducks could we afford that 1. would help us and 2. they'd actually part with, much less to a divisional rival? Like, maybe Cogliano?

Keeping both Vatanen and Lindholm may be an issue for them with their internal cap. Plus with what they did the last offseason to save money, instead of handing out raises, it might be a possibility. Sure they probably don't want to help the Kings out being in the same division, but does it matter all that much if they're not making the playoffs again... ever!!!!

Just more amusing that the Ducks are probably sellers the buyers come the deadline.

Also WPG looking like they may miss the playoffs, may help trading Buff in the conference.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Keeping both Vatanen and Lindholm may be an issue for them with their internal cap. Plus with what they did the last offseason to save money, instead of handing out raises, it might be a possibility. Sure they probably don't want to help the Kings out being in the same division, but does it matter all that much if they're not making the playoffs again... ever!!!!

Just more amusing that the Ducks are probably sellers the buyers come the deadline.

Also WPG looking like they may miss the playoffs, may help trading Buff in the conference.

I guess so, with Montour looking like he's going to be in the same mold, possibly better. Hadn't thought of that. Doubt they want to see him in a Kings jersey for the next 10 years though!

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Matt's blog is always good for a few laughs. I always remember him wearing a Kings jersey with Stamkos on it, then he got called out about it by people on that other board and was basically ripped to shreds, much to his dislike.

i always read his stuff liked him on hockey buzz No offense to jason I just like his tell it as he sees its sorta stuff. Yes none of his rumours ever come true ( he did call willie here but that was a ufa signing not trade) but they were always something i enjoyed thinking about. He used to post here in hf i seem to recall Not sure if he still posts here or not thou

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

i always read his stuff liked him on hockey buzz No offense to jason I just like his tell it as he sees its sorta stuff. Yes none of his rumours ever come true ( he did call willie here but that was a ufa signing not trade) but they were always something i enjoyed thinking about. He used to post here in hf i seem to recall Not sure if he still posts here or not thou

He's a good bull****ter and a fun read if you can not take him seriously and read for entertainment more than info

 

[KingCanadain1976]

He's a good bull****ter and a fun read if you can not take him seriously and read for entertainment more than info

i wouldnt go that far He was the best at getting injury reports at one time He would say concussions when others would only report upper body . He had a in on the training staff so injury stuff was information i listened to.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

I personally don't see the kings making any moves through the year unless there is a long term injury. They might trade for defense at the deadline but realistically, they can probably only afford a depth guy.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I personally don't see the kings making any moves through the year unless there is a long term injury. They might trade for defense at the deadline but realistically, they can probably only afford a depth guy.

With the depth we are showing coming up from the ahl It wouldn't surprise me if we stood pat. Maybe a depth guy like Polak or Scheen

 

[gnarls barkley]

hasn't the rumor been top 4 D for awhile now?

honestly I don't see a need except for insurance against injury - but then again, if any one of Doughty/Muzzin/AMart gets hurt for an extended period of time, it'll be grim.

 

[YP44]

With the depth we are showing coming up from the ahl It wouldn't surprise me if we stood pat. Maybe a depth guy like Polak or Scheen

L Schenn makes alot of sense IMO.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Stolls on waivers, you know you want him back !!!!

 

[Buddy The Elf]

Yeah, I'm thinking something that won't cost a lot. The kings season is going to ride a lot on Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez and McNabb staying healthy. I think the kings are poised for a deep playoff run if they do.

 

[cali101]

Right now he's just a depreciating asset.

yep, which is not good for weal and not good for the kings!
surely they know this?