Toggle sidebar

Roster Talk: Nearing the 20 game mark

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
Status
Not open for further replies.
Minor Boarding said:
Interesting. Thank you for your post. I wonder how many of the possession problems the 4th line has are because of the dreadful faceoff %?
Click to expand...

faceoffs are included in dcorsi formula, as many other things, zone entries, linemates performing, quality of opposition... it's a long formula weighting all these variables (29 variables if i recall correctly) into a seemingly simple parameter. i don't have a formula to operate with, but even if there is a strong correlation between bad faceoffs and the final result, the faceoff pattern shouldn't be the only issue here. it might be a big issue, but not an exclusive one.
 
Last edited:
Makes me wonder what happens when King comes back, really. I'm with you, thought that was EXACTLY the guy we'd see when King went to IR.
 
I'm still wondering why it hasn't yet dawned on the garden variety lunch pail players that long term guaranteed contracts are terrible for them (with the cap in place of course).

All the money is going to the top guys, many not even earning it plus liberal NMC/NTC's that force the average and below players to be the ones shipped off to who knows where with minimal raises.

Some union, looks like any eat what you kill capitalistic corporation to me.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
not me if your bringing Mersch up you want him on at least line 3 no point in playing him 8 mins a game . He needs at least 12 mins
Click to expand...

If he comes up right now...he would be on the 3rd line and Nolan/Andreoff would go out.

Right now...

Brown-Shore-Lewis
Clifford-Andreoff-Nolan

Move Lewis down and move brown over...

Mersch-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Lewis/Andreoff/Weal-Nolan/Lewis

My preference...

Mersch-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Weal-Lewis
 
KingsOfCali25 said:
If he comes up right now...he would be on the 3rd line and Nolan/Andreoff would go out.

Right now...

Brown-Shore-Lewis
Clifford-Andreoff-Nolan

Move Lewis down and move brown over...

Mersch-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Lewis/Andreoff/Weal-Nolan/Lewis

My preference...

Mersch-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Weal-Lewis
Click to expand...


totally agree however my 4th line is clifford lewis and nolan
 
I don't know why the rush on Mersch. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing our new prospects as much as anyone, but the Kings are in 1st place. Let the kid play in ONT, until the kings are in need of some new young blood.
 
HYORI 1963 said:
I don't know why the rush on Mersch. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing our new prospects as much as anyone, but the Kings are in 1st place. Let the kid play in ONT, until the kings are in need of some new young blood.
Click to expand...

Our bottom 6 can use someone to get more consistent offense from. Mersch is that person imo We only have one winger *lucic that willingly goes to the net Mersch would be a 2nd
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
Our bottom 6 can use someone to get more consistent offense from. Mersch is that person imo We only have one winger *lucic that willingly goes to the net Mersch would be a 2nd
Click to expand...

Even with our bottom six struggling, we're still in 1st place. If Mersch is called up, and someone else has to sit, it's going to force Lombardi to trade someone. And that would likely be Weal. And if we're forced to trade Weal, that just means we'll get less in return.

So, yeah, as a fan, I'd like to see how Mersch would do at an nhl level. However, having Lombardi trade a prospect like Weal when he doesn't have to, is just bad asset management.
 
I don't see the 8 year contracts as an issue. Handing out long contracts to the wrong player is an issue.

One change shortening the max length to 5-6 years would make is to drive the AAV up on the top end players. If a guy hits UFA between 25-27 and signs an 8 year deal it takes him to the years where he should be slowing down and will probably take less money in the final years. Now say Kopitar is looking at signing a 5-6 year deal at 25-27, he should still be in decent shape and won't be looking to take much of a discount in the last year or two. The result is more money per year over a shorter time. The higher AAV's that result will make the cap tighter and squeeze out depth.

Kopitar instead of looking at just under 10M for 8 years would be looking at say 12M for 6.

Gaborik is another example. Lombardi was able to buy down the price of the contract with regards to the AAV by spreading it out over more years. This allowed Lombardi to resign Gaborik at a price that worked with an incredibly tight cap the last couple of years.

The result will be higher AAV's for the top end players and less money for depth guys needed to compete.

Most Cup windows are a couple of years. So sign guys to long term contracts, lower the AAV and pile as much talent as possible under the cap for the window. Once the window ends the team has some long term contracts left over for the years when they are tanking. At that point you either ride the contracts out, trade retaining half the value, or buyout the contract.
 
HookKing said:
I'm still wondering why it hasn't yet dawned on the garden variety lunch pail players that long term guaranteed contracts are terrible for them (with the cap in place of course).

All the money is going to the top guys, many not even earning it plus liberal NMC/NTC's that force the average and below players to be the ones shipped off to who knows where with minimal raises.

Some union, looks like any eat what you kill capitalistic corporation to me.
Click to expand...

I get what you're saying, but if the owners to get shorter term or even non-guaranteed contracts, I think it would be even worse for these types of players. The stars would get even more on short term contracts, especially if the UFA age is moved down. More competition for the stars on contracts, leads to higher pay, and less cap money left for the rest.
 
HYORI 1963 said:
Even with our bottom six struggling, we're still in 1st place. If Mersch is called up, and someone else has to sit, it's going to force Lombardi to trade someone. And that would likely be Weal. And if we're forced to trade Weal, that just means we'll get less in return.

So, yeah, as a fan, I'd like to see how Mersch would do at an nhl level. However, having Lombardi trade a prospect like Weal when he doesn't have to, is just bad asset management.
Click to expand...

or we can send down Shore who doesn't have to clear waivers which would help his confidence for a few weeks
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
or we can send down Shore who doesn't have to clear waivers which would help his confidence for a few weeks
Click to expand...

... We also just moved Matt Greene to LTIR opening up a roster spot, even though he hasn't played a game since the start of the season...
 
Lombardi could always give Brown a "conditioning stint" in Ontario. He's probably waiver exempt with that contract.
 
HYORI 1963 said:
Ah, I forgot about Shore. But then again, that means Lewis at center, which I'm not high on.
Click to expand...

or you can finally get some games for weal in at 3 c

Pearson kopitar gaborik
lucic carter toffoli
mersch weal brown
clifford lewis nolan

Now i think weal and mersch played together in the ahl but im not positive Some chemistry may help both
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
or you can finally get some games for weal in at 3 c

Pearson kopitar gaborik
lucic carter toffoli
mersch weal brown
clifford lewis nolan

Now i think weal and mersch played together in the ahl but im not positive Some chemistry may help both
Click to expand...

What makes you think Sutter's going to all of a sudden insert Weal into the lineup? Why, because of Mersch? Not happening.
 
Omni Owl said:
Would honestly rather see Mersch in over Nolan.
Click to expand...

So would many. Nolan does absolutely nothing as a bottom 6'r other than take dumb penalties that have cost us goals. I could understand a hook or a hold preventing a scoring chance, but his last 3 have been, a slash to the arm, a two handed chop to the leg and a punch to the face...all 3 in the offensive zone. We need production from the bottom 6 and neither he or AA have done anything to help.
 
HYORI 1963 said:
What makes you think Sutter's going to all of a sudden insert Weal into the lineup? Why, because of Mersch? Not happening.
Click to expand...

Well hes better suited to playing 3c then andreoff Also the goal of bring Mersch up is to increase scoring and Weal is certainly better choice the lewis to be on a scoring line. Of course im talking the ideal and you have a point of sutter not likely to to go that way. HOwever i was just pointing out there is another option then having lewis there. Hell i d even try andreoff at 3 c before lewis. Just talking options mostly
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom