There was MUCH MUCH more going on with Bylsma's musical chairs routine than trying to find consistency for Girgensons. Girgensons was simply a passenger on that ride.
Roster Speculation part XXII
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Girgs offensive struggles were a due in large part to a drop off in confidence in a reduced role. He needs to learn how to produce in that reduced role because thats what he will be going forward. Yes Disco moved him around and that didn't help at times. But much of it was others getting the minutes he got before and thats not changing nor should it. He had a tough time adjusting to his new reality.
EDIT: I should clarify that he had a tough time adjusting offensively. Defensively he was solid.
EDIT: I should clarify that he had a tough time adjusting offensively. Defensively he was solid.
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joshjull
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I'm not following why that would be a painfully slow line. Even at his age, Gionta is one of the faster skaters on the team.
Husko
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Yeah, but Reinhart is such a bad skater that he actually has negative speed. He actually, physically, makes those around him slower. Subhuman speed, really. A net negative. It's that bad.
If Reinhart and Gionta played on the same ice at the same time, the rest of the world would go into warp speed and spin off the universe table. We don't want that.
Both Reinhart and Gionta are smart. The notion that they couldn't play together is silly.
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Like how Jumbo Joe is still productive. Drives play and is cerebral. Slows the game down and can think faster then anyone else on the ice
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1) Gionta was 4/5th sorting by TOI (if you count McGinn), and there's pretty much no way you can say his minutes were more difficult than O'Reilly's with a straight face.
2) The team scored more without Gionta on the ice.
3) He wasn't an effective top six forward and only really settled into a line with two muckers. He and Reinhart aren't built to compensate for each other.
4) The team's ES goal baseline was so bad that it's ES scoring numbers are more random than most.
5) He didn't positively impact possession.
That's a bunch of semantics if you're advocating moving a top two ES player to the third line for matchup reasons.
Draper's 54% zone starts aren't comparable to guys on that island. Datsyuk and Zetterberg each took a ton of defensive faceoffs (relatively speaking, giving every regular forward 50+% OZS is something you get to do with D/Z/Lidstrom).
And having a defensive zone line is good business. But you don't need to delegate that unit as your fourth line when it makes your top nine markedly worse at ES.
Foligno's production has historically been shooting % driven, and like Gionta, he sorts way lower on the difficulty chart when sorting by opponent TOI.
And the reason you play Kane with Larsson and Gionta (or whoever), is because he hasn't really developed chemistry with any top 6 forwards yet. That's also why things like Pens three pronged attack and Sharp-Vermette came to be. Top on paper guys weren't performing efficiently with each other.
A dude coming off a bunch of concussions, Matt Moulson and whichever of Foligno/Girgensons/Larsson/Gionta/etc fall out of the top 9 (plus X games of Des) are like the definition of spare parts. Why are you giving good players less icetime rather than just plugging better players into the skeleton that ended last year and letting it ride?This post is laughable.
There isn't absolute truths, but there is absolutely no reason to assembly some kind of spare parts line to be our 3rd/4th line when (if we sign Vesey). We have the depth to assemble two two-way lines, one offensive line and one defensive line.
I think he was pretty good the season before, and I am pretty sure, he showed some puck control at times too, especially when he left PK and others for dead (granted PK is no beast on D, but nevertheless). So what, because of last year, those skills are gone and buried? With a bit of confidence he will reach those 30 pts and surpass them, no question. If you know anything about his character, you will know that he will come back stronger after last year. People like him, will always be their own biggest critics, and he damn well knows it was a poor year for him.
As for his capability on being on ''talent'' line.
You do realize someone has to work and have some grit on a talent line as well? There needs to be a balance for the top line to work, because they will play against top D's from opposition. If you do some research you will see, that there have been skaters with far less hockey ability on top lines (1-2) before. He has enough skill and hockey sense to be that ''worker'' on a scoring line, again no question there. I am not even talking about top line here, he could be effective on 2nd as well, in a similar role.
Nothing personal against you, but if you are going to come out with bull like that, at least do some basic research. Some of the guys already mentioned his 5vs5 stats and how he played with Eichel for example, and that was on his worst season! Think about that for a while.
I think he was pretty good the season before, and I am pretty sure, he showed some puck control at times too, especially when he left PK and others for dead (granted PK is no beast on D, but nevertheless). So what, because of last year, those skills are gone and buried? With a bit of confidence he will reach those 30 pts and surpass them, no question. If you know anything about his character, you will know that he will come back stronger after last year. People like him, will always be their own biggest critics, and he damn well knows it was a poor year for him.
As for his capability on being on ''talent'' line.
You do realize someone has to work and have some grit on a talent line as well? There needs to be a balance for the top line to work, because they will play against top D's from opposition. If you do some research you will see, that there have been skaters with far less hockey ability on top lines (1-2) before. He has enough skill and hockey sense to be that ''worker'' on a scoring line, again no question there. I am not even talking about top line here, he could be effective on 2nd as well, in a similar role.
Nothing personal against you, but if you are going to come out with bull like that, at least do some basic research. Some of the guys already mentioned his 5vs5 stats and how he played with Eichel for example, and that was on his worst season! Think about that for a while.
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No. But do keep in mind that as performance bonuses become unearnable, a team can gain cap space during the course of a season. But unused cap space cannot be banked for the following season.
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joshjull
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He talked about pairs and didn't really stick to it. Sometimes pairs, sometimes just keeping the centers constant and shuffling the wings around, sometimes he kept lines together and sometimes he did a bit of all of them.
In other words, it's unlikely he sticks to pairs next season.
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I dont know if he lacked confidence. He played well, his shooting % dropped a lot. The question is what type of scoring should we expect? He shot the puck at about the same rate considering his drop in ice time. Had his shooting % remained 13% he would have had 14 goals with limited ice time and moving all over the lineup.
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joshjull
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He said it himself he lacked confidence during the season but was happy with the rest of his game. I'm aware of his shots per game and his shooting% from the last two years.
It is a good question to ask what shooting% will we see next year.
struckbyaparkedcar
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You knew it was a confidence issue with Girgs when he was trying to Ovechkin shots through screens, even on the power play. His release isn't fast/deceptive enough, nor does he have the power or accuracy to make that a good decision.
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XXX-ROR-Okposo
XXX-Eichel-Reinhart
XXX-Girgensons-Ennis
Foligno-Larsson-Gionta
That's the skeleton I would roll with - the XXX's would be filled in by Moulson, Kane and Vesey/one of our prospects.
With Nylander, Fasching, Bailey and Asplund coming into the fold, I'm really liking the short-term and long-term future of our forwards.
Kulikov-Ristolainen
Gorges-Bogosian
McCabe-Nelson/Franson
Just pray Ristolainen solidifies himself as a #1, Kulikov fits in well, and we get post-trade Bogosian.
XXX-Eichel-Reinhart
XXX-Girgensons-Ennis
Foligno-Larsson-Gionta
That's the skeleton I would roll with - the XXX's would be filled in by Moulson, Kane and Vesey/one of our prospects.
With Nylander, Fasching, Bailey and Asplund coming into the fold, I'm really liking the short-term and long-term future of our forwards.
Kulikov-Ristolainen
Gorges-Bogosian
McCabe-Nelson/Franson
Just pray Ristolainen solidifies himself as a #1, Kulikov fits in well, and we get post-trade Bogosian.
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