Speculation: Roster Speculation: Part XVI (Off-Season Madness)

[TehDoak]

Am i totally insane for preferring to give up Girgensons to Fasching/Bailey?

Thats probably a bit of a "shiny new toy" syndrome. Girgensons is alot more proven than either Fasching or Bailey. Zemgus is 22. Fasching and Bailey will be both 21 this summer.

In fiddling with lines and stuff, I had assumed Zemgus was going to be a spare piece this summer.

Ryan Kesler, through 4 season:

238 GP, 38 G, 42 A, 80 pts

Zemgus Girgensons, through 3 seasons:

202 GP, 30 G 40 A 70 pts

Probably a bit more valuable asset than we are thinking

 

[Der Jaeger]

We've frequently operated under the assumption that Minnesota would want the #8 pick for Brodin, but what if old pal Fletcher wants a package to replenish their prospect/near-NHL ready player/draft pick cupboard? For several years, the Wild have sold draft picks - in most cases to the Sabres - for short-term help. I'm thinking something along the lines of the ROR trade.

Would you do some variation of this trade?

Pysyk
Bailey/Fasching [I think the Wild would prefer the Gopher, but I think he's one of Tim's guys - Tim did not draft Bailey.]
2016 2nd (38th overall)
MIN 2017 2nd

for

Brodin
Kuemper/Zucker [the "throw in" a la McGinn; get either a backup netminder if/when Chad goes to UFA, or the forward depth throw-in...a la McGinn]

PROS: If you also draft one of Chychrun/Juolevi, you've got Brodin (23) and the newly-drafted player (18), and you've pretty much addressed the long-term LHD problem over about a one-week period. You've used positions of depth (NHL RD and prospect RW) to address the need.

CONS: Giving up Pysyk and one of the higher-ceiling RWs. Also, selling two of your three 2nd rounders in 2016 and 2017 when the prospect cupboard is getting pretty thin.

I make this deal moments after getting Chychrun or Juolevi. I think you're right: GMTM traded for Fasching, so I think Bailey moves.

CONS: I've already written off the 2017 draft as fodder for expansion draft trades. I'd like to have two seconds and two thirds, plus at least two of Cornel, Baptiste, Carrier, or Martin playing well. I'd be prepared to send pick and prospects to Vegas and Quebec to select Moulson and some else not important.

So all-in-all, I make the trade after ensuring Chychrun or Juolevi are available at 8. I probably do it even if Sergachev is available.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

We've frequently operated under the assumption that Minnesota would want the #8 pick for Brodin, but what if old pal Fletcher wants a package to replenish their prospect/near-NHL ready player/draft pick cupboard? For several years, the Wild have sold draft picks - in most cases to the Sabres - for short-term help. I'm thinking something along the lines of the ROR trade.

Would you do some variation of this trade?

Pysyk
Bailey/Fasching [I think the Wild would prefer the Gopher, but I think he's one of Tim's guys - Tim did not draft Bailey.]
2016 2nd (38th overall)
MIN 2017 2nd

for

Brodin
Kuemper/Zucker [the "throw in" a la McGinn; get either a backup netminder if/when Chad goes to UFA, or the forward depth throw-in...a la McGinn]

PROS: If you also draft one of Chychrun/Juolevi, you've got Brodin (23) and the newly-drafted player (18), and you've pretty much addressed the long-term LHD problem over about a one-week period. You've used positions of depth (NHL RD and prospect RW) to address the need.

CONS: Giving up Pysyk and one of the higher-ceiling RWs. Also, selling two of your three 2nd rounders in 2016 and 2017 when the prospect cupboard is getting pretty thin.

I don't see Minnesota going for this personally. You would have thought they would covet the 8ov pick more in the the hope they could land an impact centre....? Maybe if they're particulary high of Fasching it works.... I'd certainly make it in a flash from the Sabres POV.

And this deal should not be exclusively accepted alongside of drafting D at eight. They should be targeting LHD at eight no matter what IMO & any deal TM can swing along the lines of your proposal should just be considered a bonus.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I might shift the offer, as the Wild are loaded on defense and don't really need Pysyk. Pick the defenseman of choice at 8.

2017 1st
2016 2nd
Bailey

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I might shift the offer, as the Wild are loaded on defense and don't really need Pysyk. Pick the defenseman of choice at 8.

2017 1st
2016 2nd
Bailey

Interesting - as my follow up to 8th for Brodin could be '17 1st + Fasching.

Just on the basis that I've seen a few Wild fans ask about Fasching on the trade forum - local connections etc. Understand he likely holds more value to Murray than Bailey does. Maybe the high 2nd makes up the difference... still not sure Minnesota bites though.

 

[Onslow]

The Wild want a young center with top six upside for Brodin. Idk if Girgs + fits the bill for them. But then, young top six centers are difficult to come by and I'm not sure if they'd get a better offer anywhere around the league. RNH maybe. But then the Oilers want RHD, so....

 

[Moskau]

Jonas Brodin is getting reaaaaaal overrated around here.

 

[Jim Carr's Rug]

Jonas Brodin is getting reaaaaaal overrated around here.

I agree with this.
To me, Fowler >> Brodin.

If I was in charge, I'd stay the course and work what I could on D via free agency rather than trade.

 

[Chainshot]

Keep 8 OA and see what the Kings want for Muzzin or Martinez.

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Muzzin might be available?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[Chainshot]

Muzzin might be available?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Breathe. I said see what they want for them.

 

[Djp]

Pysyk
Bailey/Fasching [I think the Wild would prefer the Gopher, but I think he's one of Tim's guys - Tim did not draft Bailey.]
2016 2nd (38th overall)
MIN 2017 2nd

for

Brodin
Kuemper/Zucker
.

Interesting - as my follow up to 8th for Brodin could be '17 1st + Fasching.

Just on the basis that I've seen a few Wild fans ask about Fasching on the trade forum - local connections etc. Understand he likely holds more value to Murray than Bailey does. Maybe the high 2nd makes up the difference... still not sure Minnesota bites though.

Fasching is close to untradeable along with Eichel, Reinhart, Risto, and ROR

 

[sabrebuild]

Fasching is close to untradeable along with Eichel, Reinhart, Risto, and ROR

Fasching is nowhere near as untradeable as those guys. Not close.

If he is what is required to fix your defense, fasching is available.

Brodin for 2 2nd round picks is a steal, ROI.

 

[haseoke39]

Fasching is close to untradeable along with Eichel, Reinhart, Risto, and ROR

This is worse than Leafs fan homerism.

 

[Zman5778]

Fasching is close to untradeable along with Eichel, Reinhart, Risto, and ROR

No. No he is most certainly not on that level.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I still like 2017 first, 2016 second, and Bailey for Brodin. Bailey will be at two years service at the expansion draft and exempt. The picks re-stock the pipeline for the Wild, while moving a defenseman they can't protect.

As for centers for the Wild, the only one on the market is RNH, and I'd make the trade for Harmoic if I'm the Oilers. The Wild aren't so bad off at center anyway. Koivu, Grandlund, Coyle, and Huala all can or do play center. Eriksson Ek is in the pipeline. And they've got a shot at Rubtsov. They aren't that bad off.

 

[Beerz]

Not giving that for Brodin.

They can take the 8th and like it or we can move on.

 

[BananaSquad]

Jonas Brodin is getting reaaaaaal overrated around here.

Very. Id be disappointed if Brodin was Tim Murrays big target this summer.

 

[Husko]

Brodie would be a perfect partner for Risto, don't get me wrong. I love his game.

But he's definitely not the "QB" GMTM wants

 

[Myllz]

Very. Id be disappointed if Brodin was Tim Murrays big target this summer.

I wouldn't, he'd be a great addition for this team, but some of the prices being thrown around for him are too much.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

I agree with this.
To me, Fowler >> Brodin.

If I was in charge, I'd stay the course and work what I could on D via free agency rather than trade.

no one in the world is agruing that brodin is better than fowler

brodin is more affordable than fowler

 

[CaptPantalones]

Jonas Brodin is getting reaaaaaal overrated around here.

Agreed. I like him, but the most I'd do is something along the lines of girgensons and a flipping of 1sts.

I'd be far more inclined to overpay for fowler, or just try and pluck someone on the cheap and spend assets on a winger for the boys

 

[Jim Bob]

Jonas Brodin is getting reaaaaaal overrated around here.

I fall on this side of the discussion, as well.

I see him as an upgrade on Gorges as a long term 2nd pairing LHD.

But, I don't think he really fills the need of a top pairing guy to play with Risto.

The offers being thrown around for Brodin are more than I would want to give up for a guy that I expect to play on the 2nd pairing long term.

I agree with this.
To me, Fowler >> Brodin.

If I was in charge, I'd stay the course and work what I could on D via free agency rather than trade.

Fowler might be a better player today, but I could see how Brodin might have more trade value because he is younger and would be under Sabres cost control for a longer period of time.

And as far as going UFA, there isn't much there. Trades and the draft are the most likely options for upgrading on D.

 

[Jim Bob]

Brodie would be a perfect partner for Risto, don't get me wrong. I love his game.

But he's definitely not the "QB" GMTM wants

Did you mean Brodin?

TJ Brodie might be that guy that Murray wants to play with Risto.

 

[Jame]

I wouldn't, he'd be a great addition for this team, but some of the prices being thrown around for him are too much.

I don't think the prices around "here" are too much. On the trade board when the discussion becomes Reinhart, that's too much.

I, like Murray, have no issue with perceived overpayment in secondary or tertiary assets when addressing core team needs (see Oreilly trade).

If Brodin makes a great fit/pair with Risto... Than these deals are fine with me.