Roster Speculation Part XI...$teven $tamko$?? Pony up for PK?

[old kummelweck]

Get out of my mind!! If the Habs really were daft enough to put Subban on the block, I image the two teams bidding on his services the hardest would be Buffalo and Edmonton. The question then becomes, does Buffalo put both this year's and next year's firsts into the pot to one-up whatever combination of RNH/Draisaitl and a first the Oilers could pony up? I'd be down for that, unprotected and all.

Just based on what Murray has given up in trades, my thinking is that he can't really be out-bid. It's whether what he has to offer is what they would be looking for, and also, whether they would want PK in the division.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Enstrom - Subban
Bogo - Risto
doesnt - even
matter

 

[Jame]

Enstrom - Subban
Bogo - Risto
doesnt - even
matter

i saw that... and my eyes got teary

 

[Chainshot]

Where do they get the trade chips to land Enstrom though? PK bidding seems like a heavy, "all-in" sort of move.

 

[Chainshot]

Just based on what Murray has given up in trades, my thinking is that he can't really be out-bid. It's whether what he has to offer is what they would be looking for, and also, whether they would want PK in the division.

Point taken. GMTM pays when he wants something.

 

[SoFFacet]

Can't see Stamkos signing here for less than absolute max salary, so around $12 million, not $10 million.

The 5/50 contract was actually suggested by another redditor and I just ran with it. But yeah, obviously every contract projection in there can be tweaked one way or another.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Enstrom - Subban
Bogo - Risto
doesnt - even
matter

lol exactly

 

[Sabre Dance]

This place starting to turn into fantasy world. Stamkos, now Subban. It's not happening.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Yea, I would be more willing to put this year's first, even unprotected, on the table for Subban... before Reinhart. I know that's backwards logic in HF land, but the 2 years of development, the trajectory, and the type of all around player that Reinhart is... is simply more valuable to me than the next elite prospect. Opening the window ASAP is the fundamental value behind any trade we should make.

I know this isn't the argument you're making (agree that you keep Reinhart over Matthews at this point, easily) but I'd be willing to give up our next three first rounders, unprotected. We're talking about Subban in his prime...there's not much I wouldn't give up. Risto, Eichel, and ROR are the only ones off the table.

 

[Jame]

Where do they get the trade chips to land Enstrom though? PK bidding seems like a heavy, "all-in" sort of move.

2016 1st, 2017 1st, Bogo, Prospect, Filler for Subban
McCabe, Foligno, 2017 2nd, Prospect, Filler for Enstrom

Enstrom-Subban
Pysyk-Risto

 

[FearTheBeard]

2016 1st, 2017 1st, Bogo, Prospect, Filler for Subban
McCabe, Foligno, 2017 2nd, Prospect, Filler for Enstrom

Enstrom-Subban
Pysyk-Risto

I know that only including 1 of the 2 firsts might not get it done, but giving up both is an overpayment IMO. I know you're using the TM model of who cares about value go get the player you want at whatever cost, build a winner. But thats an extreme price to pay

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Doesn't Bogo have a NMC? It's a bummer because he's one of our most valuable assets that we'd be willing to part with.

 

[Chainshot]

I know that only including 1 of the 2 firsts might not get it done, but giving up both is an overpayment IMO. I know you're using the TM model of who cares about value go get the player you want at whatever cost, build a winner. But thats an extreme price to pay

Look at the Pronger moves from Edmonton to Anaheim and Anaheim to Philly as precedents for established, actual Norris-level defensemen on the move.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

in the highly unlikely scenario PK moves, its another highly unlikely scenario that Montreal takes 2 1sts over some of the roster players being offered

 

[stokes84]

This place starting to turn into fantasy world. Stamkos, now Subban. It's not happening.

Nor should it. We are not in a position to sell of a number of hugely important assets. The 2016 1st is likely to be an amazing player, possibly right on par with PK. Adding Reinhart to that is crazy talk IMO. Build it up properly. This type of fast tracking is incredibly dangerous. We need to be adding assets more than anything right now.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Doesn't Bogo have a NMC? It's a bummer because he's one of our most valuable assets that we'd be willing to part with.

Why would we trade Bogosian?

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I know that only including 1 of the 2 firsts might not get it done, but giving up both is an overpayment IMO. I know you're using the TM model of who cares about value go get the player you want at whatever cost, build a winner. But thats an extreme price to pay

I don't know. An offer sheet can cost up to 3 first rounders, which I'd give up for Subban in a second. I'd have no problem giving up the assets listed.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Why would we trade Bogosian?

Because we need a better team

 

[Chainshot]

in the highly unlikely scenario PK moves, its another highly unlikely scenario that Montreal takes 2 1sts over some of the roster players being offered

Outside of the Oilers, the field of teams offering up "roster" players seems thin.

Why would we trade Bogosian?

RD in, RD out.

 

[Uberpecker]

Why would Carolina trade their #5 pick from last year for another first round picl this year?

Defense for offense.
They're inundated with d prospects/young high end dmen but are still rebuilding on the offense side. Of course it depends on where our 1st will be, since they already have two 1sts and a Hanifin for a forward trade (à la Jones for RyJo) would likely be more up their alley. But it could make sense for them if they see someone they like at that draft position.

 

[joshjull]

Can't see Stamkos signing here for less than absolute max salary, so around $12 million, not $10 million.

Just a FYI. 12mil per would be below the absolute max

The max cap hit for any player is 20% of the upper limit. So this year the max allowable cap hit is 14.3mil.

 

[Chainshot]

This place starting to turn into fantasy world. Stamkos, now Subban. It's not happening.

You're right. We should spend more time trying to figure out who will replace Matt Ellis and Jason Akeson on the next Amerks squad.

Like we have nothing else to talk about?

 

[Sabre Dance]

Because we need a better team

I understand. But our future leaders are 19, 20, and 21. Don't you think if they develop like we expect we will be a better team?

I don't think we get anything for Bogosian that makes us better.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Outside of the Oilers, the field of teams offering up "roster" players seems thin.

montreal isnt rebuilding with Price on the roster, Edm would offer up a potential top line center and a potential top pairing D who are both playing those roles now, I don't see a reason why theyd move Subban, even less of a reason to do it for futures when nows are being offered

 

[Onslow]

We'd probably have to give up something unpalatable to get Subban. Think Risto or Reinhart. Not worth it. We don't need another #1 dman. Just a competent lefty to pair with Risto.