Roster Speculation 2017-18 Part 3

[AustonsNostrils]

Shooters for Buffalo scored a grand total of...zero shootout goals with Lehner in net.

And three of those four games he arguably stole a point just getting to OT rather than lost them one.

But it doesn't matter. They gave up pick 21 for a quality starting goalie and that sin is unforgivable.

Pick 21...home to such elite talents as Mark Jankowski, Stefan Noesen and Anton Gustafsson.

You can see why he must be hated.

It was a very deep draft - players available at 21 were Boeser, Colin White, Konecny and Samsonov. Boeser will score 20 goals in his rookie season, maybe even 30.

 

[Ace]

Blah blah blah.

You know what good value at 21 is? A quality starting goaltender.

 

[Ace]

Things also worthy of the 21st pick:

Renting Paul Gaustad.

 

[SundherDome]

It was a very deep draft - players available at 21 were Boeser, Colin White, Konecny and Samsonov. Boeser will score 20 goals in his rookie season, maybe even 30.

You gotta drop that mindset of we could have had player A. It just doesn't work, due to all the unknowns.

 

[haseoke39]

You gotta drop that mindset of we could have had player A. It just doesn't work, do to all the unknowns.

Only way to put value to the pick is to look at the types of players available.

 

[Dingo44]

It was a very deep draft - players available at 21 were Boeser, Colin White, Konecny and Samsonov. Boeser will score 20 goals in his rookie season, maybe even 30.

Maybe if people complain about it enough the past will magically change.

 

[Yatzhee]

Blah blah blah.

You know what good value at 21 is? A quality starting goaltender.

Let us know when the "quality" shows up.
Cause Lehner sucks, weak on the posts and couldn't win a shootout to save his life.

 

[Butt Ox]

My biggest gripe at the time of the trade was the addition of Legwand. To my surprise he punched the clock and put the work in. Filled a role. Father Time quietly whisked him away.

Sweetheart deal for sure but it worked out.

 

[boots electric]

i've never seen a guy with a .920 sv% get **** on more than robin lehner

some of you people are delusional

 

[SundherDome]

Let us know when the "quality" shows up.
Cause Lehner sucks, weak on the posts and couldn't win a shootout to save his life.

Lehner is a quality starting goaltender, I know you hate him and every other Sabre, but there are only a handful of goalies I would take over him.

 

[SundherDome]

Only way to put value to the pick is to look at the types of players available.

The only fair method is to put up a postional value to the pick. I.e at 21 we would have taken a goalie, but you can't say who, as someone may have traded up in front of us to take Samsonov.

 

[Sabre the Win]

i've never seen a guy with a .920 sv% get **** on more than robin lehner

some of you people are delusional

Anders Nilsson pretty much put up the same numbers and will come cheaper for the next 2 years than Lehner at 4 mil plus and 2 years.

I don't get why people don't get that Lehner is a question mark going forward, we aren't ready to throw money at a starting goalie and give him term so why not just go the cheaper route then until we are ready to compete. Hello Nilsson for the time being. He can split duties with Ullmark and we can really see what Ullmark has to offer.

 

[Aladyyn]

Nilsson is never going to be a 60 game starter like Lehner.

 

[1972]

Anders Nilsson pretty much put up the same numbers and will come cheaper for the next 2 years than Lehner at 4 mil plus and 2 years.

I don't get why people don't get that Lehner is a question mark going forward, we aren't ready to throw money at a starting goalie and give him term so why not just go the cheaper route then until we are ready to compete. Hello Nilsson for the time being. He can split duties with Ullmark and we can really see what Ullmark has to offer.

Ya Nilsson are the starter is just a great idea...lol

 

[Sabre the Win]

Ya Nilsson are the starter is just a great idea...lol

Nilsson is never going to be a 60 game starter like Lehner.

hes not going to be playing 60 games, he is going to be split with Ullmark so we see what we have with Ullmark. The only way to give Ullmark NHL reps is not have an ego in net who is clear cut starter because of his price tag.

To be fair with Lehner, Ullmark will get reps with Lehner in net when Lehner takes his yearly injury but why wait?

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

Nilsson is never going to be a 60 game starter like Lehner.

And how on earth do you know that?

 

[haseoke39]

To the eye test, Robin Lehner has weaknesses you don't see in most NHL starters.

By the numbers, Robin Lehner looks good, but oddly enough, so does Nilsson, Johnson, and Ullmark. And then uniformly, all those players' numbers look worse elsewhere.

He could be a starter long-term, but he's got to prove it in a different system.

I offer him a 2 year deal max to see what he's got, but I'm also open to a trade if someone wants to offer a defenseman with top 4 upside or a top 9 winger.

 

[pigpen65]

And how on earth do you know that?

Because Murray overpaid and gave away a 1st rounder for him. That means he's worth that now. The same way taking EJ Manuel in the 1st round instead of the 4th where he would have gone had Nix not reached for him made him a 1st round QB talent.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Because Murray overpaid and traded say a 1st rounded for him. That means he's worth that now. The same way taking EJ Manuel in the 1st round instead of the 4th where he would have gone had Nix not reached for him made him a 1st round QB talent.

Actually he lost value because he's not exactly cost controlled when he is holding arbitration rights.

 

[Aladyyn]

To the eye test, Robin Lehner has weaknesses you don't see in most NHL starters.

By the numbers, Robin Lehner looks good, but oddly enough, so does Nilsson, Johnson, and Ullmark. And then uniformly, all those players' numbers look worse elsewhere.

He could be a starter long-term, but he's got to prove it in a different system.

I offer him a 2 year deal max to see what he's got, but I'm also open to a trade if someone wants to offer a defenseman with top 4 upside or a top 9 winger.

These 2 things are not close in value.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

How in the world does Lehner act like a primadonna?

I was wondering the same thing.

Just irrational hate. Deion Sanders was a primadonna...the ultimate "hey look at me" player.

Lehner is an Oliver Kahn type of player - fierce and ultra-competitive but almost to a fault. He puts fear into opponents that he just might be psycho, but that also causes his teammates to keep an arm's length away. Doesn't mean he's a bad teammate. He can fire them up and raise their level of play just the same as call them out. Eichel has a touch of that but won't ever be a physically scary player, just scary talent-wise.

 

[Djp]

It was a very deep draft - players available at 21 were Boeser, Colin White, Konecny and Samsonov. Boeser will score 20 goals in his rookie season, maybe even 30.

Check back in 5 years and ser what 22-25 drafted players become.

Historically. 21-25 is a crap shoot in getting anything that is top line/top pair.

Usually you get a 3/4 Dman or middle line player.

Lehner has not been that bad. Complaining g about shootouts is ludicrous....the team should not have gotten to shootout if the scored more.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Check back in 5 years and ser what 22-25 drafted players become.

Historically. 21-25 is a crap shoot in getting anything that is top line/top pair.

Usually you get a 3/4 Dman or middle line player.

Lehner has not been that bad. Complaining g about shootouts is ludicrous....the team should not have gotten to shootout if the scored more.

We should have not lost as much if Lehner saved more.

See I can do that too, how is that even a legit argument?

 

[pigpen65]

Check back in 5 years and ser what 22-25 drafted players become.

Historically. 21-25 is a crap shoot in getting anything that is top line/top pair.

Usually you get a 3/4 Dman or middle line player.

Lehner has not been that bad. Complaining g about shootouts is ludicrous....the team should not have gotten to shootout if the scored more.

Lehner is a choker. His complete ineptitude in the shootout is the easiest example of this, but there were tons of examples outside of the shootout that show this. Tie game late in the 3rd period with Lehner in net was a guaranteed loss.

 

[Aladyyn]

We should have not lost as much if Lehner saved more.

See I can do that too, how is that even a legit argument?

The Sabres' SV% was very good.

The Sabres' scoring numbers, however...