Roster Speculation 2017-18 Part 3

[OkimLom]

Just throwing this out there.

Kane + 8th Overall

Tanev + 2nd Pick(Canuks) and/or Brock Boeser

 

[DJN21]

Just throwing this out there.

Kane + 8th Overall

Tanev + 2nd Pick(Canuks) and/or Brock Boeser

Not even close nucks turn it down quick

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

But Brodin's 4 years is acceptable?

Yes, because of his age at his next deal.

And again, this is only for those who want to give up Reinhart in a Tanev trade.

 

[DJN21]

That is better than Gorges-Risto....



If Botts could get there and keep 8OV and Reinhart.

There's no scenario that sees us getting tanev and brodin and keeping 8ov and Reinhart...that's kinda the point here...you give to get. At least in getting brodin and losing reinhart we get tuch back too...allows us a myriad of trade possibilities with our wing depth...

 

[Djp]

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2...n-rielly-right-hand-defence-vancouver-canucks



A 1st+ for Tanev?

I'd pass.

I think a team with a late 1st (23-31) + B prospect does this frade.

It's equivalent to 2 2nd and a prospect.

I would never yrade a top 10 pick fir Tanev.

A big difference between Tanev and bridin is I think bridin is 4 yrs younger.

Wouldn't we have to expose either Brodin or Tanev in that case?

If buffali acwuiresults Tanev or Brodin they need protection in the draft.

Buffalo would then go with 8 skaters and a goalie.

G--Lehner
F- ROR, KO, Kane, Larsson
D- bogo, tisto, mccabe, acquired Dman

They would lose foligno, girgensons, or Carrier in ED, so that needs to be factored into any trade.

If Tuch was coming with brodin they he would replace the player lost.

 

[Djp]

Just throwing this out there.

Kane + 8th Overall

Tanev + 2nd Pick(Canuks) and/or Brock Boeser

You don't trade 2 of kane/nylander/reinhart/8OA for Tanev or brodin.

 

[DJN21]

You don't trade 2 of kane/nylander/reinhart/8OA for Tanev or brodin.

Agreed. It's 1 for 1 with small adds.

 

[Husko]

You don't trade 2 of kane/nylander/reinhart/8OA for Tanev or brodin.

I hope you realize those 4 entities have very different value

Reinhart>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nylander/8OA>>>Kane

 

[DJN21]

I hope you realize those 4 entities have very different value

Reinhart>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nylander/8OA>>>Kane

Welpppp...

I'm curious after this post...what's your offseason plan? I don't mean that with any malice so please don't take it take way. Given our available assets...what do you do?

 

[haseoke39]

I wonder what roster player would be offered up in exchange for Lehner. I'd be surprised to see us get anything that helpful -- more than a late first, or a bottom six winger or something -- but I'd be open to talks if teams want to make an offer.

 

[Jame]

Welpppp...

I'm curious after this post...what's your offseason plan? I don't mean that with any malice so please don't take it take way. Given our available assets...what do you do?

jumping in...

The plan should be to see what is out there for somewhat valuable, but disposable assets (Kane). Get a Dman without subtracting from core/high value assets. If the move isn't available, go in to the season with the team we have (maybe some minor tweaks - like Franson 2.0, or Gionta 2.0). The point being... see what we have under a competent Head Coach and an appropriate system with good player usage.

Then evaluate what your needs are and what you're willing to part with.

 

[old kummelweck]

A little speculation on a podcast and all of a sudden Lehner isn't going to be the #1 goalie?

Robin Lehner was Tim Murray’s guy. It appears the goaltender will be Jason Botterill’s guy, too.

“I have no problem starting next season with him in goal,†the Sabres’ general manager told Sportsnet in an article published Tuesday. “There are more pressing needs. I liked what I saw from him when he won the Calder Cup.â€

http://buffalonews.com/2017/05/16/s...ks-lehner-leinos-jail-buffalo-drury-promoted/

 

[jcbeze]

A little speculation on a podcast and all of a sudden Lehner isn't going to be the #1 goalie?





http://buffalonews.com/2017/05/16/s...ks-lehner-leinos-jail-buffalo-drury-promoted/

Exactly....baseless speculation by Bob

 

[brian_griffin]

jumping in...

The plan should be to see what is out there for somewhat valuable, but disposable assets (Kane). Get a Dman without subtracting from core/high value assets. If the move isn't available, go in to the season with the team we have (maybe some minor tweaks - like Franson 2.0, or Gionta 2.0). The point being... see what we have under a competent Head Coach and an appropriate system with good player usage.

Then evaluate what your needs are and what you're willing to part with.

Agreed.

Phase 1, now through expansion draft:
1A. Shop Kane or Kane+, target an upgrade to LHD.
1B. Hire coach.

Phase 2, Entry draft:
2A. Target defenseman with #8OA if not traded in a Kane deal.
2B. Draft BPA thereafter.

Phase 3, UFA:
3. Add RHD depth (Franson and/or other).
4. Upgrade bottom 6, if available.
5. Expansion draft loss mitigation, if necessary.
6. Improve Amerk depth.

Phase 4, through November '17:
7. Evaluate both squads.

 

[SabresFanNorthPortFL]

At least Murray set us up right for the expansion draft. We are still in perfect position to loose one of the Ennis, Molson or Gorges contracts, even if we have to add a 2nd to get it done.

That (loosing one of those 3 contracts) in itself would be a 33% positive offseason.

Stay the course, no moves until after that draft, after that wheel n deal but make sure one of those contracts are gone. I keep thinking Ennis because of his age, past production, contract and potential .

Bogosian has value if put up for trade, so why do I keep reading about him being left exposed? ???

As far as Kane, you can keep posting sign him but get it in your heads, he doesn't want to be in Buffalo. He's not signing. He's either going to UFA, or you trade him to a destination he wants, or wait til after July 1st to let him talk extension with potential new team.

My dream offseason .....

Ennis & MN 2nd to Vegas....that's a second for future considerations, which leads to.....

Kane to Vegas for a LD.

That should free up about 5-6 milion in cap space.

Draft top defense at 8 and concentrate on defense this draft, maybe package our second to get in 20 range for second first round defense pick.

Flip Foligno for tween 4/5th D man around same age.

Sign a couple journeyman forwards/defense to round out team.

Hire coach who goes into season with this spine:

Girgensons - Eichel - signed
Carrier - ROR - OK
xxx - Reinhart - xxx
xxx - Larsson - xxx

Stay the course until after the expansion draft, then flip Kane for defense.

 

[Sabre Dance]

jumping in...

The plan should be to see what is out there for somewhat valuable, but disposable assets (Kane). Get a Dman without subtracting from core/high value assets. If the move isn't available, go in to the season with the team we have (maybe some minor tweaks - like Franson 2.0, or Gionta 2.0). The point being... see what we have under a competent Head Coach and an appropriate system with good player usage.

Then evaluate what your needs are and what you're willing to part with.

This is a smart plan.

 

[Dingo44]

Brodin was absolutely terrible in the post season.

Buffalo fans have grown to overrate him significantly. Between his age/contract and potential availability due to expansion... it make sense, i get it but.... Reinhart for Brodin is insanely poor asset management.

What? Top 6 Centers for mid 4-5 D-Men aren't great trades?

 

[OkimLom]

You don't trade 2 of kane/nylander/reinhart/8OA for Tanev or brodin.

My thinking was Kane is not close to getting Tanev by himself. But I think using the 8th overall pick by itself, in a Tanev for is something I don't want to use unless I'm addressing other needs for the team and/or getting a decent pick in return. If we're trading for Vancouver's 2nd round pick you're looking at pretty much a late 1st (33rd overall), which if you want to break down the trade, it could be:

Kane for 2nd Round Pick
Or
Kane for Brock Boeser
Or
Kane for Brock Boeser + 2nd Round pick(if Vancouver loves Kane)

and then:

Tanev for 8th overall

I'm open to adding on our end using lesser draft picks or prospects to balance out the value

 

[DJN21]

jumping in...

The plan should be to see what is out there for somewhat valuable, but disposable assets (Kane). Get a Dman without subtracting from core/high value assets. If the move isn't available, go in to the season with the team we have (maybe some minor tweaks - like Franson 2.0, or Gionta 2.0). The point being... see what we have under a competent Head Coach and an appropriate system with good player usage.

Then evaluate what your needs are and what you're willing to part with.

I don't disagree with this premise. Whoever I need to walk away with a bigger defensive add than antipin. Whoever is the casualty is dependant on the addition...we need to add a top 4 dman.

 

[TehDoak]

Offseason Plan

#1. Expansion draft. A win here would be one of Bogosian, Moulson, Gorges, or Ennis gone, even if it means "greasing the skids" in the form of a draft pick or prospect.
#2. Fixing the D. Antipin is a great start. That being said, I'd like to see two more additions: a top 4 d-man under 25 that is part of the 'long term' solution, and a veteran bottom 3 guy.

Trade Acquisition -Risto
McCabe-Antipin
Veteran UFA-Bogo
Falk/Gorges

#3. Kane. If he's not part of the trade for #2, he likely will be moved. Correct or Incorrect, the management's new focus on "character" likely precludes him staying on due to his past transgressions.

#4. Lehner. I've got no issues keeping him on a short term deal. That being said, I think we likely need to invest is a "1b" or tandem goalie. If for no other reason but for his chronic health issues that seem to pop up year to year.

https://capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2018/caphit/all/goalies/ufa

Lots of choose from.

#5. Organizational depth. I think overall, the focus on Rochester is a good thing. We need to get both on the same page, playing the same system. We'll see how it plays out overall, but I think we'll see us pick up some tweeners and/or project prospects. I think its one of the reasons we passed on Estaphan...likely a few things in the pipe already.

 

[Jim Bob]

There's no scenario that sees us getting tanev and brodin and keeping 8ov and Reinhart...that's kinda the point here...you give to get. At least in getting brodin and losing reinhart we get tuch back too...allows us a myriad of trade possibilities with our wing depth...

I don't see Tuch as doing much with the Sabres having Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching, and Nylander in Rochester last year and not that far away from the NHL.

I'd rather go other routes to upgrade on D than deal Reinhart, especially if the D coming back is a guy like Brodin.

 

[DJN21]

I don't see Tuch as doing much with the Sabres having Bailey, Baptiste, Fasching, and Nylander in Rochester last year and not that far away from the NHL.

I'd rather go other routes to upgrade on D than deal Reinhart, especially if the D coming back is a guy like Brodin.

Other than nylander who is obvious who do you view in that class as bring better than tuch and why? Really just asking not being sarcastic.

 

[NEcoli]

At least Murray set us up right for the expansion draft. We are still in perfect position to loose one of the Ennis, Molson or Gorges contracts, even if we have to add a 2nd to get it done.

That (loosing one of those 3 contracts) in itself would be a 33% positive offseason.

Stay the course, no moves until after that draft, after that wheel n deal but make sure one of those contracts are gone. I keep thinking Ennis because of his age, past production, contract and potential .

Bogosian has value if put up for trade, so why do I keep reading about him being left exposed? ???

As far as Kane, you can keep posting sign him but get it in your heads, he doesn't want to be in Buffalo. He's not signing. He's either going to UFA, or you trade him to a destination he wants, or wait til after July 1st to let him talk extension with potential new team.

My dream offseason .....

Ennis & MN 2nd to Vegas....that's a second for future considerations, which leads to.....

Kane to Vegas for a LD.

That should free up about 5-6 milion in cap space.

Draft top defense at 8 and concentrate on defense this draft, maybe package our second to get in 20 range for second first round defense pick.

Flip Foligno for tween 4/5th D man around same age.

Sign a couple journeyman forwards/defense to round out team.

Hire coach who goes into season with this spine:

Girgensons - Eichel - signed
Carrier - ROR - OK
xxx - Reinhart - xxx
xxx - Larsson - xxx

Stay the course until after the expansion draft, then flip Kane for defense.

1.) It's "lose," not "loose."

2.)You have no idea what Kane is and isn't willing to do. I'd still trade him for defense, but it drives me nuts when people state things as fact that they have no way of knowing.

 

[NEcoli]

My thinking was Kane is not close to getting Tanev by himself. But I think using the 8th overall pick by itself, in a Tanev for is something I don't want to use unless I'm addressing other needs for the team and/or getting a decent pick in return. If we're trading for Vancouver's 2nd round pick you're looking at pretty much a late 1st (33rd overall), which if you want to break down the trade, it could be:

Kane for 2nd Round Pick
Or
Kane for Brock Boeser
Or
Kane for Brock Boeser + 2nd Round pick(if Vancouver loves Kane)

and then:

Tanev for 8th overall

I'm open to adding on our end using lesser draft picks or prospects to balance out the value

If the best they can do for Kane is a second round pick, they might as well keep him for now. They could still easily get that at the deadline.

 

[ginner classic]

My thinking was Kane is not close to getting Tanev by himself. But I think using the 8th overall pick by itself, in a Tanev for is something I don't want to use unless I'm addressing other needs for the team and/or getting a decent pick in return. If we're trading for Vancouver's 2nd round pick you're looking at pretty much a late 1st (33rd overall), which if you want to break down the trade, it could be:

Kane for 2nd Round Pick
Or
Kane for Brock Boeser
Or
Kane for Brock Boeser + 2nd Round pick(if Vancouver loves Kane)

and then:

Tanev for 8th overall

I'm open to adding on our end using lesser draft picks or prospects to balance out the value

Nobody in Vancouver wants Kane. I think you are mistaken. Certainly not for Boeser or Tanev.