Roster Speculation 2017-18 Part 3

[Husko]

Possibly, but Lehner is going to probably want $4 mil a year or get an arb award around the same (per bob Mackenzie) do you really want to pay that for him? Lehner is also a dime a dozen goalie.

You want to do the best you can to make Vegas take Ennis, Moulson, or Bogo. Ullmark sitting out there would help them avoid that landmine.

On Lehner: Yes, I would gladly pay $4 million for a capable starter. The worst case scenario is ever being in a situation where we have to pay big money for a capable goalie.

In terms of "making" them taking one of our bad contracts, not going to happen. Either they're going to do it or they won't, you can't make them. Worst case scenario for them they just take a UFA or someone like Falk.

Because on a team that was considered bad, he's the EASIEST contract to take for any expansion team that COULD help them down the line in the most positive way. They can store him in the Minors or even use him as a backup option.

Buffalo doesn't have much to expose, which is a good thing for Buffalo, but not necessarily a good thing for Vegas. So they could go the easy option, and choose a player like Deslauriers or Ullmark because one has one year left on the contract and would meet the requirement of taking a player from each team, or take a goalie that is in mid development that COULD play in the NHL as a backup at least on a nice contract.

But they get to choose at least 4-5 better goalies/prospects. I don't see him on their shortlist. IMO Ennis is going to LV.

Ullmark is so generic goalie prospect. I'm torn between laughing that Vegas would actually take him and laughing that the veterans Murray brought back are so valueless that Vegas wouldn't touch them.

I could see LA possibly taking Ennis. Former big point producing, electrifying player who has been derailed by injuries and a bad coach. Maybe they roll the dice on possibly getting a legit top 6 forward. Worst comes to worst they're saddled with a bad contract for just one year after next, cap not an issue still.

I still think they go for Georges. Although aging, a capable player that they could plug onto their third pairing. More importantly, they could make him their captain. A seasoned vet that knows how to play the game and prepare and whatnot the right way. Always just had a feeling he's their guy.

Ulmark? I guess it's possible. But I think most teams have an 'Ulmark' that actually put up decent stats in the AHL.

Moulson? Maybe, but only if he wants to move to Vegas, which I doubt he does.

Bogosian is also intriguing. If they want to shoot for the moon on a chance at actually getting a great player, he's their best bet. He's got more potential than anyone we're exposing, than anyone most are exposing. Do they look at old tape on him, look at the draft position, the measurable, etc. and say maybe the last 2 seasons were a result of a terrible coach fit? Do they say heck, we have the cap space, let's take a moon shot on a chance at a very good player? I might if I were them.

 

[Shootica]

Ullmark is so generic goalie prospect. I'm torn between laughing that Vegas would actually take him and laughing that the veterans Murray brought back are so valueless that Vegas wouldn't touch them.

Ullmark is waivers exempt, which is the key difference between him and most of Vegas' other goalie options. They'd make him their AHL starter next year if they were to take him.

 

[Tyler2829]

Bogosian is also intriguing. If they want to shoot for the moon on a chance at actually getting a great player, he's their best bet. He's got more potential than anyone we're exposing, than anyone most are exposing. Do they look at old tape on him, look at the draft position, the measurable, etc. and say maybe the last 2 seasons were a result of a terrible coach fit? Do they say heck, we have the cap space, let's take a moon shot on a chance at a very good player? I might if I were them.

This is why I think the Sabres should hold onto him and either hope he returns to form or move him to a team that thinks the same as above, instead of losing him for nothing.

 

[Ace]

I don't think a return to form is even good enough. He was a "hope he can put it together one day" guy when we got him. He went the other way. If I get back to square one I still have an overpaid D that I don't want on the ice in big minutes.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Jim Bob]

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2...n-rielly-right-hand-defence-vancouver-canucks

What would he cost?
So let’s get down to brass tacks.

First up: if the Leafs acquire Tanev, they’re going to have to protect him in the expansion draft. The Canucks shouldn’t really have a huge problem for the expansion draft because they don’t have that many good players, but they seem to value defenders like Luca Sbisa and Erik Gudbranson more than I do, which means they may want to do a trade for Tanev before June 18th in order to gain a free protection slot. If the Leafs want to wait until after the expansion draft to make a trade for Tanev (so as to avoid losing/paying to protect Connor Carrick), they might be outbid by a team willling to pull the trigger earlier.

Anyway. That aside, here’s Jason Botchford:

I think a first-rounder plus something [is the return the Canucks are looking for]… I think you can get a substantial amount for him. Chris Tanev is worth a hell of a lot. Defencemen like him are very difficult for teams to get. Obviously, we know he is a top-four defenceman, and I think with the right pairing partner, he is a top-pairing guy. If you put him up on the right-side of a second pairing, you have a real chance to build a top-four that can compete.

Elliotte Friedman describes the price for Tanev as “very highâ€, and that Vancouver “is not looking to do this unless it’s a great deal.†Friedman does not enlighten us as to what that price might specifically be.

A 1st+ for Tanev?

I'd pass.

 

[Revelate]

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A 1st+ for Tanev?

I'd pass.

I'd do it. He's essentially Hjalmarsson in his prime in my mind. He'd make us instantly competitive. Pair him with McCabe for matchups and free up Risto and Antipin and sit back and watch the fun.

Other factors that make me do it are his style of play lends itself to longevity. Great skater and incredible IQ. Also, it stops him from going to the leafs.

 

[Myllz]

Depends what the plus is, obviously.

 

[DJN21]

Reinhart for Brodin and tuch.

1st and Bailey for tanev.

Sign a bonino or trade for a lowry/sobotka etc...

Expose bogosian...spit balling...obviously one of those deals has to occur after the expansion draft in order to protect risto mccabe, tanev and brodin...

Still have Guhle on the way and all our other picks.

Still have tuch, baptiste, nylander, fasching at wing.

We keep kane to help us score at least until the deadline. Moving out bogo's salary maybe allows for a new contract for Kane if that's what you want...

 

[Sabre the Win]

Pass. I would rather get younger with the 8th overall pick and be set for the future rather than push now when we arent even close to being serious contenders this upcoming season.

 

[Jim Bob]

I'd do it. He's essentially Hjalmarsson in his prime in my mind. He'd make us instantly competitive. Pair him with McCabe for matchups and free up Risto and Antipin and sit back and watch the fun.

Other factors that make me do it are his style of play lends itself to longevity. Great skater and incredible IQ. Also, it stops him from going to the leafs.

Who is playing with Risto?

 

[DJN21]

Pass. I would rather get younger with the 8th overall pick and be set for the future rather than push now when we arent even close to being serious contenders this upcoming season.

Makar will be off the board. We have enough post 1st round picks to blow on dmen. We can take nothing but dmen and goalies the rest of the draft and still be fine. That top 4 with Antipin still ad a wildcard #5 and Gorges on the temporary with Guhle on the way is beyond respectable.

 

[Aladyyn]

Who is playing with Risto?

If he's playing a more offensive role, it shouldn't really matter much.

 

[DJN21]

Who is playing with Risto?

Hopefully anyone but antipin. I want them both playing 4th forward when they see it fit. They can't cover for eachother that way.

 

[Jim Bob]

Hopefully anyone but antipin. I want them both playing 4th forward when they see it fit. They can't cover for eachother that way.

Antipin plays on the right side, so I doubt you would see him and Risto out there together at ES.

 

[joshjull]

Hopefully anyone but antipin. I want them both playing 4th forward when they see it fit. They can't cover for eachother that way.

Depending on what the new coach's approach is. We may have a systemic approach that will do the covering.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Makar will be off the board. We have enough post 1st round picks to blow on dmen. We can take nothing but dmen and goalies the rest of the draft and still be fine. That top 4 with Antipin still ad a wildcard #5 and Gorges on the temporary with Guhle on the way is beyond respectable.

yeah I don't feel desperate enough that a must have solid top 4 is needed this season, too many moving parts in your previous post and I don't feel the need to rush the rebuild. I feel its already been pushed too much and now people are panicking. I like what GM Bots said about building within and I hope to not see much roster turnover til we have a new coach and see what we actually have without Bylsma leaving us with a tinted window of our actual players. If we keep adding all these vets now they are just going to push us to the cap and give us a false sense of competition.

I am fine with

McCabe - Risto
Bogo - Antipen

as a top 4 for this season.

 

[DJN21]

yeah I don't feel desperate enough that a must have solid top 4 is needed this season, too many moving parts in your previous post and I don't feel the need to rush the rebuild. I feel its already been pushed too much and now people are panicking. I like what GM Bots said about building within and I hope to not see much roster turnover til we have a new coach and see what we actually have without Bylsma leaving us with a tinted window of our actual players.

That's a fair point of view. I'd rather take advantage of the expansion draft and the clamps it puts on some teams i.e the wild with brodin. With no expansion draft no one is even talking about Brodin being available. If we wait that window closes. Patience after a "forced rebuild" if that's really how you view it is important but seizing this once I a decade oppurtunity to squeeze other teams and/or Vegas is something any competent GM should do.

 

[DJN21]

Antipin plays on the right side, so I doubt you would see him and Risto out there together at ES.

I'm aware I was responding the the poster above who mentioned pairing risto and antipin togeher. Outside of handedness their styles shouldn't mesh in a hypothetical conversation. Granted we haven't even seen antipin in a north American game so what do I know...

 

[Jim Bob]

I'm aware I was responding the the poster above who mentioned pairing risto and antipin togeher. Outside of handedness their styles shouldn't mesh in a hypothetical conversation. Granted we haven't even seen antipin in a north American game so what do I know...

That was the reply to my question of who is playing with Risto.

 

[Sabre the Win]

That's a fair point of view. I'd rather take advantage of the expansion draft and the clamps it puts on some teams i.e the wild with brodin. With no expansion draft no one is even talking about Brodin being available. If we wait that window closes. Patience after a "forced rebuild" if that's really how you view it is important but seizing this once I a decade oppurtunity to squeeze other teams and/or Vegas is something any competent GM should do.

I would absolutely love Brodin, I just wonder if its even a possibility. The best we might be able to do this season is Muzzin from LA since rumors are pretty heavy between the two teams over Kane. Just not sure with what LA is willing to move for him.

 

[Zip15]

(Note: I am not advocating that we trade Reinhart, but merely posing a hypothetical.)

Reinhart + 8th overall

for

Tanev + 5th overall

Which team says no?

 

[Jim Bob]

(Note: I am not advocating that we trade Reinhart, but merely posing a hypothetical.)

Reinhart + 8th overall

for

Tanev + 5th overall

Which team says no?

I think both GMs want more for their guys.

 

[Shootica]

Reinhart for Brodin and tuch.

1st and Bailey for tanev.

Sign a bonino or trade for a lowry/sobotka etc...

Expose bogosian...spit balling...obviously one of those deals has to occur after the expansion draft in order to protect risto mccabe, tanev and brodin...

Still have Guhle on the way and all our other picks.

Still have tuch, baptiste, nylander, fasching at wing.

We keep kane to help us score at least until the deadline. Moving out bogo's salary maybe allows for a new contract for Kane if that's what you want...

Wouldn't we have to expose either Brodin or Tanev in that case?

 

[DJN21]

I would absolutely love Brodin, I just wonder if its even a possibility. The best we might be able to do this season is Muzzin from LA since rumors are pretty heavy between the two teams over Kane. Just not sure with what LA is willing to move for him.

Several Minny fans have accepted that trade on the main board. Reinhart foe brodin and tuch that is.