Roster Speculation 2017-18 Part 3

[Jame]

I believe Botterill would be fine with a one- or two-year deal in arbitration for Lehner. I don't think he wants to give Lehner any longer than two years.

I think a 2 year deal makes a lot of sense for both sides.

 

[Ace]

some people think GMJB might have a connection with MAF and might want to bring him here..

Me, I'd just keep Lehner..

Much older, much more expensive and costs another asset to acquire.

I hope these aren't the same people who can't forgive Lehner for the ultimate crime of what someone else paid to get him that he had nothing to do with.

 

[Jame]

6 assists in 21 games when Jack was out of lineup.

Don't let Reinhart's production with one of the top players in the NHL fool you.

Still trying to find an official box score that credits wins for something other than goals. Hate to break it to people, but you need to put the puck in the net to win games. The Sabres absolutely suck 5 on 5 scoring and Reinhart was a major reason why, Kane on the other hand was the complete opposite.

All I hear about is playing a fast tempo style of play. Then I hear keep Reinhart and dump Kane. So you want to play a fast style of play, with lower players? Should work out marvelously.

I would severely miss Kane on this team. Love how engaged he is throughout the whole game, and think his style of play fits where this team wants to go.

Reinhart GF per 60 w/ Eichel
2.13
Reinhart GF per 60 w/o Eichel
2.13
Eichel GF per 60 w/o Reinhart
2.15

Shut up

 

[Baccus]

I was talking about the trade, not sure what you were?

Zadorov, Grigorenko, Compher, and a 1st was a way over-payment for a pending FA.

I thought you were talking contract terms. But I also disagree with your trade over-payment as well.

First it was a 2nd round, not a 1st. Grigs is a middle 6 maybe player, Zads as fun as he is to watch is still a year or 2 from being a real top 4 (or better player), Compher and the 1st are magic beans at this point. What do you think a then 24-25 year top 6 Center is worth? Who also plays wing at a high level.

Rental players can get a late first and prospect/player, for just a playoff run, O'Reilly had a contract season to go still.

Plus you ignore McGinn (which is a positive) but they got a year out of him and a 3rd round pick or whatever which probably cancels out Compher or the 2nd in "value" terms.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

I often agree with the gist of your posts, but your delivery is way over the top in hyperbole and obnoxiousness.

You would too if you had to endure the vitriol I had for not being pro Murray,pro Pegula and pro Myers. The verbal abuse spewed because I wasnt on those aforementioned hype trains was far worse then anything ive posted.

Literally because points

Reinhart doesnt PK. Hes average at best defensively. What else are you going to grade him by? Potential? I like Reinhart but lets be realistic, he cant score at ES and had the luxury of playing with a superstar in the making.

Kane is without a doubt a better goal scorer. I dont expect Kane to be a 60 point player because he is a pure goal scorer. If Kane can put up 25-30 goals and 45-50 points im fine with that. Does anyone realize that even with a budding superstar, a legit 1c and a high end even strength goal scorer we still finished in the bottom 6 in offense?! Thats with the #1 pp too.

 

[Sabre the Win]

"Seems like a Lehner thing to do"?

In reference to a number you just pulled out of nowhere.

So you make something up and then make up an accusation that this is a Lehner thing to do.

What's that about?

What in Lehners character and history leads you to this?

Its called humor, hence the laughing emote. There was two things in that sentence that you didn't notice and that is "I have a feeling" which is not an accusation, its an opinion and the number which was 6 mil has a after.

However I hate Lehner's attitude, I hated how he went to the reporters to voice his problems with the team several times and because of that I can see him thinking he is the team and thinks hes worth more than he really is; that's my opinion tho.

 

[sabrebuild]

Looking around.... backing out.

 

[Sabre the Win]

Does anyone realize that even with a budding superstar, a legit 1c and a high end even strength goal scorer we still finished in the bottom 6 in offense?! Thats with the #1 pp too.

I've found the problem(s)...

Marcus Foligno
Jake McCabe
Cody Franson
Zemgus Girgensons
Tyler Ennis
Zach Bogosian
William Carrier
Justin Falk
Taylor Fedun
Josh Gorges
Dmitry Kulikov
Nicolas Deslauriers

all these players potted less than 10 goals except one and are under 25 points on the season.

Problem: We have no quality depth that can produce, being good defensively only helps keep the pucks out of our net but we still need to put the pucks in the net.

 

[Der Jaeger]

I'm traveling. Just saw all this stuff. Wow.

 

[Husko]

Reinhart doesnt PK. Hes average at best defensively. What else are you going to grade him by? Potential? I like Reinhart but lets be realistic, he cant score at ES and had the luxury of playing with a superstar in the making.

Kane is without a doubt a better goal scorer. I dont expect Kane to be a 60 point player because he is a pure goal scorer. If Kane can put up 25-30 goals and 45-50 points im fine with that. Does anyone realize that even with a budding superstar, a legit 1c and a high end even strength goal scorer we still finished in the bottom 6 in offense?! Thats with the #1 pp too.

When Reinhart is on the ice, the team plays well, wins possession, players around him produce more, etc.

When Kane is on the ice all the opposite happens.

That's how I measure them.

 

[hizzoner]

Horses for courses. Proper system that has players playing to their strengths might change how we feel about some of the roster. Kane may not be great defensively but he does everything else. Teamwork..

 

[ginner classic]

This article speculates that Ullmark is safe from expansion. I think Ullmark is one of the very few mortal locks for Vegas.

https://twointhebox.com/2017/02/14/sabres-should-be-safe-in-goal-for-vegas-expansion/

Unless CapFriendly is mistaken, he is not eligible for waivers next year, and represents (along with Korpisalo and Dansk) the best goalie that is unprotected, and not subject to waivers next season. Which means, they can take more than two NHL quality keepers and slide them to the AHL for half a year, until they can trade one of their other picks to a team at the deadline.

I fully expect that Ullmark is the player that Vegas will pick from Buffalo.


I have a very different set of goalies than most for Vegas:

Varlamov/Howard/Grubauer - Depending on how highly VGK rate the D options from Washington.
Raanta - Great young goalie. Best asset available from NYR. Trade bait at the deadline?
Ullmark - Waiver exempt
Korpisalo (CBJ make a deal for a 1st rounder so that, VGK select a cap dump and also ship them Korpisalo) - Waiver exempt.

 

[Aladyyn]

I've found the problem(s)...

Marcus Foligno
Jake McCabe
Cody Franson
Zemgus Girgensons
Tyler Ennis
Zach Bogosian
William Carrier
Justin Falk
Taylor Fedun
Josh Gorges
Dmitry Kulikov
Nicolas Deslauriers

all these players potted less than 10 goals except one and are under 25 points on the season.

Problem: We have no quality depth that can produce, being good defensively only helps keep the pucks out of our net but we still need to put the pucks in the net.

There was 1 problem: Dan Bylsma.

 

[Icicle]

Ullmark is gone without a deal. I think we can get a deal. Kane+Moulson as the pick for a defenseman plucked from another team. Gives us cap room to sign a vet winger for the next couple of seasons that actually can play with Eichel (unlike Kane, Moulson, or Ennis). Potentially gives us a partner for Risto, if not, much needed depth.

 

[Captain Holt]

This might be a stupid question, but why don't we just protect Ullmark and expose Lehner?

 

[Icicle]

Puts us without a starting goalie this year. People will scream bloody murder that we traded a 1st round pick for nothing. It's also bad practice because this is our only realistic opportunity to dump either Ennis or Moulson's contract.

 

[Husko]

This might be a stupid question, but why don't we just protect Ullmark and expose Lehner?

Because Lehner is better than Ulmark.

I don't know why there's all this Ulmark in expansion speculation lately. He's a dime a dozen goalie prospect. Maybe he makes it as an NHL goalie, but he's no more likely than all the other AHL goalie prospects.

 

[OkimLom]

6 assists in 21 games when Jack was out of lineup.

Don't let Reinhart's production with one of the top players in the NHL fool you.

Still trying to find an official box score that credits wins for something other than goals. Hate to break it to people, but you need to put the puck in the net to win games. The Sabres absolutely suck 5 on 5 scoring and Reinhart was a major reason why, Kane on the other hand was the complete opposite.

All I hear about is playing a fast tempo style of play. Then I hear keep Reinhart and dump Kane. So you want to play a fast style of play, with lower players? Should work out marvelously.

I would severely miss Kane on this team. Love how engaged he is throughout the whole game, and think his style of play fits where this team wants to go.

You can score all the goals you want, but if you can't stop the other team from having chances and scoring, then it's all for naught. This is where Reinhart shined. Buffalo NEEDS both types of players.

Buffalo is a team that couldn't afford to give up the puck or possession. Yet, Evander Kane is the guy that plays a style that is very heavy on the "one & done" style of play. How many shots from Kane went high and wide, around the boards and the other team was able to collect the puck and bring it back in our zone?

Can you please explain what you mean by:

"The Sabres absolutely suck 5 on 5 scoring and Reinhart was a major reason why, Kane on the other hand was the complete opposite."

Can you actually do it, without referencing statistics?

 

[Captain Holt]

Because Lehner is better than Ulmark.

I don't know why there's all this Ulmark in expansion speculation lately. He's a dime a dozen goalie prospect. Maybe he makes it as an NHL goalie, but he's no more likely than all the other AHL goalie prospects.

Possibly, but Lehner is going to probably want $4 mil a year or get an arb award around the same (per bob Mackenzie) do you really want to pay that for him? Lehner is also a dime a dozen goalie.

You want to do the best you can to make Vegas take Ennis, Moulson, or Bogo. Ullmark sitting out there would help them avoid that landmine.

 

[OkimLom]

Because Lehner is better than Ulmark.

I don't know why there's all this Ulmark in expansion speculation lately. He's a dime a dozen goalie prospect. Maybe he makes it as an NHL goalie, but he's no more likely than all the other AHL goalie prospects.

Because on a team that was considered bad, he's the EASIEST contract to take for any expansion team that COULD help them down the line in the most positive way. They can store him in the Minors or even use him as a backup option.

Buffalo doesn't have much to expose, which is a good thing for Buffalo, but not necessarily a good thing for Vegas. So they could go the easy option, and choose a player like Deslauriers or Ullmark because one has one year left on the contract and would meet the requirement of taking a player from each team, or take a goalie that is in mid development that COULD play in the NHL as a backup at least on a nice contract.

 

[Aladyyn]

You can score all the goals you want, but if you can't stop the other team from having chances and scoring, then it's all for naught. This is where Reinhart shined. Buffalo NEEDS both types of players.

Buffalo is a team that couldn't afford to give up the puck or possession. Yet, Evander Kane is the guy that plays a style that is very heavy on the "one & done" style of play. How many shots from Kane went high and wide, around the boards and the other team was able to collect the puck and bring it back in our zone?

Can you please explain what you mean by:

"The Sabres absolutely suck 5 on 5 scoring and Reinhart was a major reason why, Kane on the other hand was the complete opposite."

Can you actually do it, without referencing statistics?

It's obviously the player who led the team in 5on5 scoring in his rookie season and was only outscored by Eichel over the last 2 years who is the problem with Sabres offense. Definitely not Ryan "outscored by Brian Gionta" O'Reilly or Kyle "outscored by Marcus Foligno" Okposo. No, it's definitely Reinhart.

 

[Duddy]

Because on a team that was considered bad, he's the EASIEST contract to take for any expansion team that COULD help them down the line in the most positive way. They can store him in the Minors or even use him as a backup option.

Buffalo doesn't have much to expose, which is a good thing for Buffalo, but not necessarily a good thing for Vegas. So they could go the easy option, and choose a player like Deslauriers or Ullmark because one has one year left on the contract and would meet the requirement of taking a player from each team, or take a goalie that is in mid development that COULD play in the NHL as a backup at least on a nice contract.

But they get to choose at least 4-5 better goalies/prospects. I don't see him on their shortlist. IMO Ennis is going to LV.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

But they get to choose at least 4-5 better goalies/prospects. I don't see him on their shortlist. IMO Ennis is going to LV.

Ullmark is so generic goalie prospect. I'm torn between laughing that Vegas would actually take him and laughing that the veterans Murray brought back are so valueless that Vegas wouldn't touch them.

 

[OkimLom]

But they get to choose at least 4-5 better goalies/prospects. I don't see him on their shortlist. IMO Ennis is going to LV.

Not if the other teams have players that are more valuable that play forward or defense to choose from. We may be part of a couple teams, that with the choices of players exposed, that the best value organizationally is picking a goaltender. I think if LV chooses Moulson or Ennis, it will because they need to get to the cap floor or they made a deal with Buffalo.

 

[flashsabre]

I was talking about the trade, not sure what you were?

Zadorov, Grigorenko, Compher, and a 1st was a way over-payment for a pending FA.

There was no first in that deal. Girgs is a bust,Zadorov has yet to make any positive steps forward. The only piece of value in the deal looks to be Compher.

What do you say if they hold on to Kane and he walks as a UFA because he wants to play in Vegas? You get nothing for him.