Roster Speculation 2015-16 Pt. III

[sabrebuild]

I am a proponent of the idea that Grigs has no spot in the top 9. But thinking that doesn't mean I think he needs to go. Needs to go to me means him staying causes a problem. Which I don't think is the case at all. At worst he could be cheap depth. At best, he surprises and becomes a contributor.

Sure.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

He's done IMO. Nice that he loves the Sabres and gives his all on every shift when he's healthy, but I've seen enough of him.

 

[old kummelweck]

He's done IMO. Nice that he loves the Sabres and gives his all on every shift when he's healthy, but I've seen enough of him.

This is the problem with drafting/signing local kids. Remember the ridiculous deliberation around Kennedy?

 

[Paxon]

He's done IMO. Nice that he loves the Sabres and gives his all on every shift when he's healthy, but I've seen enough of him.

He's in negotiations for a new contract with the Sabres

This is the problem with drafting/signing local kids. Remember the ridiculous deliberation around Kennedy?

They cut him over peanuts. It hardly seems like him being local caused an issue in the team's deliberations.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

He's in negotiations for a new contract with the Sabres

Yeah, I saw that a day or two ago.

 

[Kublakhan]

I am a proponent of the idea that Grigs has no spot in the top 9. But thinking that doesn't mean I think he needs to go. Needs to go to me means him staying causes a problem. Which I don't think is the case at all. At worst he could be cheap depth. At best, he surprises and becomes a contributor.

I agree 100%

 

[Beerz]

Darren Dreger was on Ottawa’s TSN 1200 on Monday afternoon.

On if he heard anything new on the Ottawa goaltending trade situation over the weekend:

“No, not really by way of update. I mean, we know that Robin Lehner is the carrot that’s being dangled and the Ottawa Senators believe that they’re going to get the most for him. That’s not being disrespectful of Craig Anderson. That’s just the reality of where Robin Lehner is at in his career.

“Is Buffalo interested? I believe Buffalo is interested. I know Edmonton is interested. And there’ll be a market. But Bryan Murray and the Ottawa Senators can’t make the same mistake here that they made with Ben Bishop when they traded him for a fourth round draft pick. They’ve got to realize an excellent level of return.

“Could it be a draft pick and a young forward who is destined to become a top-6 in the National Hockey League? Well, that sounds like what Ottawa is looking for, or a proven top-6 forward at this stage.

“So the asking price is high, from Bryan Murray’s perspective, but this time of year – certainly on the draft floor – there’s a looseness and an appetite from other teams to pay it if they have the need. And there are teams put there, as we know, that definitely need a goalie.â€

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-on-sabres-oilers-interest-in-lehner/




Don't have a lot of desire for Lehner. I certainly don't want him for anything more than a later 2nd.

 

[CaptPantalones]

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-on-sabres-oilers-interest-in-lehner/




Don't have a lot of desire for Lehner. I certainly don't want him for anything more than a later 2nd.

It was always going to cost more then that. Was just a matter of how much more

 

[joshjull]

This is the problem with drafting/signing local kids. Remember the ridiculous deliberation around Kennedy?

They just wished him happy birthday.

 

[Revelate]

what has Lehner done to warrant such value?

 

[Moskau]

Really have no interest in giving up assets for a goalie at this point. Especially if it's going to cost Bailey or Baptiste + a pick.

 

[Beerz]

Really have no interest in giving up assets for a goalie at this point. Especially if it's going to cost Bailey or Baptiste + a pick.

I'd be pissed if we gave up one of them for a Goalie like Lehner.

 

[Moskau]

I'd be pissed if we gave up one of them for a Goalie like Lehner.

Maybe Cody Hodgson is a proven top 6 forward.

Too bad Ottawa needs to shed salary, not add it.

 

[old kummelweck]

They cut him over peanuts. It hardly seems like him being local caused an issue in the team's deliberations.

I meant our deliberations.

 

[old kummelweck]

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-on-sabres-oilers-interest-in-lehner/




Don't have a lot of desire for Lehner. I certainly don't want him for anything more than a later 2nd.

Agreed. That's way too much for a goalie, though T.Murray doesn't mind spending assets if he wants the player.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-on-sabres-oilers-interest-in-lehner/




Don't have a lot of desire for Lehner. I certainly don't want him for anything more than a later 2nd.

Dreger: Lehner is carrot being dangled by Sens (11:52)

TSN Insider Darren Dreger joins The Drive to talk about the latest NHL rumblings including touching on The Sens goaltending situation.

 

[Husko]

It was always going to cost more then that. Was just a matter of how much more

Why? There's not exactly a swarth of teams that will be bidding up the price?
TM: "I'll give you a late second for him."
BM: "No, we want #31."
TM: "Okay I'll just go sign someone else that's almost or possibly just as good."
BM: "Hey Edmonton, what will you give us for this great goalie we have?"
Edmonton: "How about our 3rd round pick?"
BM: "No, no, no, we need at least your second."
Edmonton: "No thanks, we'll trade our third to another team for their goalie."

 

[Sabretip]

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/dreger-on-sabres-oilers-interest-in-lehner/

“Is Buffalo interested? I believe Buffalo is interested. I know Edmonton is interested. And there’ll be a market. But Bryan Murray and the Ottawa Senators can’t make the same mistake here that they made with Ben Bishop when they traded him for a fourth round draft pick. They’ve got to realize an excellent level of return.

“Could it be a draft pick and a young forward who is destined to become a top-6 in the National Hockey League? Well, that sounds like what Ottawa is looking for, or a proven top-6 forward at this stage

Like it or not, there's too much common sense for Tim not to have Lehner as his 1st choice - he fits all the criteria including needing a change of scenery without the pressure of losing his job to an established vet if he doesn't win consistently.

Maybe it's Grigorenko and # 51 for Lehner....or maybe it morphs into a bigger package that might include Weircioch (which should make all those clamoring for a LHD happy). I just think the odds are better than not of Murray wanting Lehner.

 

[Sabretip]

Maybe Cody Hodgson is a proven top 6 forward.

Too bad Ottawa needs to shed salary, not add it.

Dreger indicates that the Sens could be looking for either a current top 6 forward (which Hodgson and Grigorenko are not) or one that could turn into a top 6 forward (which Grigorenko very well could be on another team).

 

[Ralonzo]

Don't want Lehner at all returning from concussion (see Lieuwen, Darcy). Use the 2nd on a better goalie prospect, and keep the top-6 forward prospect.

Just because Bryan got boned on Bishop doesn't make it Tim's responsibility to make him whole by overpaying for Lehner. I'd be furious.

 

[B U F F A L O]

Yeah, Im not a fan of Lehner at all.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Don't want Lehner at all returning from concussion (see Lieuwen, Darcy). Use the 2nd on a better goalie prospect, and keep the top-6 forward prospect.

Just because Bryan got boned on Bishop doesn't make it Tim's responsibility to make him whole by overpaying for Lehner. I'd be furious.

Yep. Top 6 forward or a legit top 6 talent prospect is an automatic no from me. NYI 2nd and an OK prospect? Sure, but I wouldn't go much beyond that. Lehner's got some good tools, he's shown well at the NHL level before, and he's young, but the concussion is a pretty big concern, and even without that he wouldn't be a sure bet to become an above average starter.

 

[Husko]

Ben Bishop and Cory Crawford are the two starting goalies in the SCF. While they're both good, fine, adequate, hell even above average, neither of them would ever be confused with "elite" or anything like that. Given up serious assets for a goalie is just a complete non starter in my book until goalie is actually an impediment for us (which it hasn't been since... forever?).

 

[ZZamboni]

Yep. Top 6 forward or a legit top 6 talent prospect is an automatic no from me. NYI 2nd and an OK prospect? Sure, but I wouldn't go much beyond that. Lehner's got some good tools, he's shown well at the NHL level before, and he's young, but the concussion is a pretty big concern, and even without that he wouldn't be a sure bet to become an above average starter.

Well said

In the end ..... Pass

 

[Matt Ress]

Dreger indicates that the Sens could be looking for either a current top 6 forward (which Hodgson and Grigorenko are not) or one that could turn into a top 6 forward (which Grigorenko very well could be on another team).

Grigorenko could be that on the Sabres. Hogson was not top 6 last season but that was an exception to his career.