Roster Speculation 2015-16 Part IV

[mikemcburn]

Interesting. Just dunno if that's an "interesting hmmm...." or an "interesting mmmwaaaaaa" ?

 

[Gabrielor]

 

[Jacob582]

Done as a bruins fan after today.

It's time you changed your avatar pic.

ROR and McGinn have already changed their twitter accounts to show they are Sabres players. Keep up.

 

[Rhett4]

What's the plan, Tim?! I still think Hodgson can rebound and be a 20-goal scorer in this league, and preferably at RW where his D responsibilities are less. With that said, I see no room for him in the top-six now, and perhaps even top-9. Hodgson as your fourth line RW...not good asset management.

 

[Rise from the Ashes]

Scary looking team...

 

[Gargyn]

It's time you changed your avatar pic.

ROR and McGinn have already changed their twitter accounts to show they are Sabres players. Keep up.

Absolutely. Give me 10 mins. Haha

 

[slip]

What's the plan, Tim?! I still think Hodgson can rebound and be a 20-goal scorer in this league, and preferably at RW where his D responsibilities are less. With that said, I see no room for him in the top-six now, and perhaps even top-9. Hodgson as your fourth line RW...not good asset management.

I put the odds of Hodgson being on the opening night roster at around zero percent.

 

[Rhett4]

I put the odds of Hodgson being on the opening night roster at around zero percent.

Buyout or cap dump for tiny asset?

 

[Jacob582]

What's the plan, Tim?! I still think Hodgson can rebound and be a 20-goal scorer in this league,

Hodgson will score 20 goals again in the NHL, but he will still be awful defensively.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

I'm thinking only roster spots and mid season trade value

Legwand still had 27 points last year. As a 4th line center you could do a lot worse.

 

[Moskau]

Is there a defensemen in the league not named Lucas Sbisa who is similar to Cody Hodgson that we can swap? Carle would be one if Tampa had a need for Hodgson and if he didn't make 5.5 Million for some reason.

 

[Jacob582]

Absolutely. Give me 10 mins. Haha

Well you said, done as a Bruins fan after today. So you have another 35 minutes!

 

[Jacob582]

Legwand still had 27 points last year. As a 4th line center you could do a lot worse.

12 of those points are PP points. Will Bylsma have him on our PP?

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[mikemcburn]

I put the odds of Hodgson being on the opening night roster at around zero percent.

Buyout or cap dump for tiny asset?

I think the next 16 hours will tell the tale.

Not desirable to be paying ~$800k for 8 years, but perhaps that's better than retaining any more than $800k in salary for the next 4 years just to get a late pick.

On the other hand "we have a plan"... I dunno. I mean, before that statement I figured the kid would be kept at least as a possible package component through the draft then, if nothing went down, automatically bought out first thing Sunday morning (28th).

But "we have a plan".... ? Seems to be a lot different than "we've made a decision". Of course, a "plan" is a "decision", and a "decision" could be a "plan". But still, the wording seems odd to me if the "decision" isn't just to buy him out.

Any chance they're looking to have no doubt of Eichel going NHL and Reinhart being NHL-ready before pulling the buyout trigger? I mean, if either of Eichel or Reinhart weren't considered to be available for October, then keeping Hodgson for a showcase gig to at least start the season could make sense.

 

[mikemcburn]

Legwand still had 27 points last year. As a 4th line center you could do a lot worse.

That's true. You could be stuck with McCormick or Deslauries

 

[NotABadPeriod]

12 of those points are PP points. Will Bylsma have him on our PP?

Hopefully not but still for a 4th line center he'll be fine.

 

[slip]

Buyout or cap dump for tiny asset?

Whatever it takes, but fully expect the latter.

 

[mikemcburn]

Whatever it takes, but fully expect the latter.

As an add-on to my above nattering about "we have a plan"

Having a "plan" suggests something in management's control, which a pick flip wouldn't be.

Either a buyout plan or a stick it out 'n showcase for a mid season trade plan.

 

[SamuraiArt]

I think the next 16 hours will tell the tale.

Not desirable to be paying ~$800k for 8 years, but perhaps that's better than retaining any more than $800k in salary for the next 4 years just to get a late pick.

On the other hand "we have a plan"... I dunno. I mean, before that statement I figured the kid would be kept at least as a possible package component through the draft then, if nothing went down, automatically bought out first thing Sunday morning (28th).

But "we have a plan".... ? Seems to be a lot different than "we've made a decision". Of course, a "plan" is a "decision", and a "decision" could be a "plan". But still, the wording seems odd to me if the "decision" isn't just to buy him out.

Any chance they're looking to have no doubt of Eichel going NHL and Reinhart being NHL-ready before pulling the buyout trigger? I mean, if either of Eichel or Reinhart weren't considered to be available for October, then keeping Hodgson for a showcase gig to at least start the season could make sense.

I don't follow ... how would it be better to pay the same amount for twice as long? Plus you get something for it? Sign me up. Of course, ideally you'd trade him without retaining salary but between the two options you laid out, you have to go 4/800k.

I doubt there's room for Hodgson, even if Reinhart starts the year in Roch (unlikely IMO). It's hard enough trying to shoehorn Moulson into the top 9 without adding another defensive floater who's lost his scoring touch.

 

[Djp]

I think the next 16 hours will tell the tale.

Not desirable to be paying ~$800k for 8 years, but perhaps that's better than retaining any more than $800k in salary for the next 4 years just to get a late pick.

On the other hand "we have a plan"... I dunno. I mean, before that statement I figured the kid would be kept at least as a possible package component through the draft then, if nothing went down, automatically bought out first thing Sunday morning (28th).

But "we have a plan".... ? Seems to be a lot different than "we've made a decision". Of course, a "plan" is a "decision", and a "decision" could be a "plan". But still, the wording seems odd to me if the "decision" isn't just to buy him out.

Any chance they're looking to have no doubt of Eichel going NHL and Reinhart being NHL-ready before pulling the buyout trigger? I mean, if either of Eichel or Reinhart weren't considered to be available for October, then keeping Hodgson for a showcase gig to at least start the season could make sense.

Buy out is around $6.33M. Over 4 yrs that would be around $1.6M per year.


If they retained 1/3 on his contract would put Hodgson around $2.8 M that done teams would take a shot on him. Buffalo retains around $1.4M . They would pay Hodgson the same amount of money. Then buffalo has him off the books in 2019 when they will need some cap space.

2018/19 would be a tight to the cap year potentially. That year Mouldon and Ennis are in their last year, Kane is a UFA and Eichel/Reinhart are RFAs. Moulson retiring, Ennis being traded opens up cap space.

 

[NotABadPeriod]

It also depends on whether Bylsma thinks he can use Hodgson and turn his game around.

 

[mikemcburn]

I don't follow ... how would it be better to pay the same amount for twice as long? Plus you get something for it? Sign me up. Of course, ideally you'd trade him without retaining salary but between the two options you laid out, you have to go 4/800k.

I doubt there's room for Hodgson, even if Reinhart starts the year in Roch (unlikely IMO). It's hard enough trying to shoehorn Moulson into the top 9 without adding another defensive floater who's lost his scoring touch.

For clarity, I meant to say paying $800k for 8 years was perhaps LESS desirable than paying MORE THAN $800k for 4 years.

 

[slip]

The cap hit on a Hodgson buyout looks much worse if we wait a year (pushing 1.8 million a year over the last three years) vs 750k or so per year over the last 4. If a buyout is in the cards it happens this summer or not at all. I can see a few teams with cap space, offensive need, and tight trading fists settling on a third round, hopefully in the draft the year after next when Murray Duke and Duke attempts to corner the third round market.

 

[mikemcburn]

Buy out is around $6.33M. Over 4 yrs that would be around $1.6M per year.


If they retained 1/3 on his contract would put Hodgson around $2.8 M that done teams would take a shot on him. Buffalo retains around $1.4M . They would pay Hodgson the same amount of money. Then buffalo has him off the books in 2019 when they will need some cap space.

2018/19 would be a tight to the cap year potentially. That year Mouldon and Ennis are in their last year, Kane is a UFA and Eichel/Reinhart are RFAs. Moulson retiring, Ennis being traded opens up cap space.

My understanding is that if the Sabres take advantage of this buyout window (before he turns 26) then it's 1/3 of his salary over 8 years. Meaning $6.33 over 8 years and off the books in 2022-2023.

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/tools/buyout-calculator/8757/2015-06-26/