Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[Kevin27NYI]

I still don't see why Palms and Nelson can't both fetch first rounders but for Palms that depends on the market. Toffoli might be a comp and that's a second and a third. Have Brock go to Dallas for a first +, Palms maybe back to the Devils for a second and a third. See what the market is for Lee, Cizikas and Pageau. I wouldn't rush to trade Lee but if he does go it gives plenty of cap space to overpay for Rantanen or Marner if they reach free agency. Or you can aggressively trade picks for younger talent that also costs money like a Zegras.

Just to play ball, could see Nelson to Dallas for a 1st and a third, Palms to Devils for a second and third. Could see Lee to Vegas for Holtz+. JG has a 16 team NTC and Casey has 0 trade protection. And Mike Reilly could fetch a late round pick, he'll be healthy soon but is depth, a 5th rounder would play.

 

[Glory Days]

I don’t see Nelson or Palms getting traded if the Isles are within close distance to the playoffs. Nor do I see either player resigning. IMO most likely scenario is both walk as free agents.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

I don’t see Nelson or Palms getting traded if the Isles are within close distance to the playoffs. Nor do I see either player resigning. IMO most likely scenario is both walk as free agents.

We're five points out but unless this team goes 12-5-2 or something till the deadline (that was a made up record, no idea how many games until then) then we're selling.

I will say, I don't see a scenario where we buy.

 

[Big L]

We're five points out but unless this team goes 12-5-2 or something till the deadline (that was a made up record, no idea how many games until then) then we're selling.

I will say, I don't see a scenario where we buy.

This. Isles in last place, have to jump 5 teams to even get to a WC. Season is toast. Slow start with mental errors and uninspired play has torpedoed the season.

 

[Torrey Redux]

We're five points out but unless this team goes 12-5-2 or something till the deadline (that was a made up record, no idea how many games until then) then we're selling.

I will say, I don't see a scenario where we buy.

Take 3 out of 4 pts from PBG and then beat the suddenly struggling Laffs in TOR. Lou won't even wait for the deadline.

 

[Big L]

Take 3 out of 4 pts from PBG and then beat the suddenly struggling Laffs in TOR. Lou won't even wait for the deadline.

Putzrick Roy will probably start sorokin both games back to back nights. No way they take 3 of 4. 1 of 4 maybe. 1 in the first game on Saturday when they come out guns blazing (gotta redeem themselves from shit Buffalo game) to a quick 3-0 lead and eventually lose in the shootout. Then smoked game 2. This team has proven over and over this season they’re just not capable of consistency, putting together a string of Ws.

 

[Torrey Redux]

Putzrick Roy will probably start sorokin both games back to back nights. No way they take 3 of 4. 1 of 4 maybe. 1 in the first game on Saturday when they come out guns blazing (gotta redeem themselves from shit Buffalo game) to a quick 3-0 lead and eventually lose in the shootout. Then smoked game 2. This team has proven over and over this season they’re just not capable of consistency, putting together a string of Ws.

I generally agree, and no, it's not likely to happen but even the Islanders might be capable of one teeny little semi-streak coming out of the break and that is all it will take to get Lou all hot and bothered.

 

[periferal]

I don’t see Nelson or Palms getting traded if the Isles are within close distance to the playoffs. Nor do I see either player resigning. IMO most likely scenario is both walk as free agents.

And that would be 10 out of 10 on the dumb scale.

I often think about how if the Isles traded Tavares (Instead of letting him walk for NOTHING) for like 3 good/great assets that could've been the thing that put them over the top vs the Lightning one of those years.

You need to maximize every asset you have or you aren't being a good GM.

We're five points out but unless this team goes 12-5-2 or something till the deadline (that was a made up record, no idea how many games until then) then we're selling.

I will say, I don't see a scenario where we buy.

So you're expecting the GM that has never sold...To sell.


The only way he will is if Malkin steps in and forces him or fires him.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

So you're expecting the GM that has never sold...To sell.


The only way he will is if Malkin steps in and forces him or fires him.

Credit to him, he is usually buying because his teams are good.

Devils were clearly out of it in 2015, they sold Zidlicky and Jagr. The next year for the Leafs was also a selling year as they were rebuilding and he sold a lot.

 

[leeroggy]

On the Trade board I proposed Palms retained for a 2nd and Mikael Diotte, who is an intriguing late bloomer. Not drafted but got a 3-year ELC from the Devils early this year.

21 years old, RHD, 6'3', 205 lbs
Progression in his stats
With Nemec and Casey in the pipeline, he should be available due to trading from a position of strength for the Devils.

We certainly could use another RHD in the prospect pool and he looks like a nice one to target. And the likelihood of prying Casey or Nemec away is pretty small.

 

[xECK29x]

I still don't see why Palms and Nelson can't both fetch first rounders but for Palms that depends on the market. Toffoli might be a comp and that's a second and a third. Have Brock go to Dallas for a first +, Palms maybe back to the Devils for a second and a third. See what the market is for Lee, Cizikas and Pageau. I wouldn't rush to trade Lee but if he does go it gives plenty of cap space to overpay for Rantanen or Marner if they reach free agency. Or you can aggressively trade picks for younger talent that also costs money like a Zegras.

I’d be happy with 2 2nds

 

[Strummergas]

Credit to him, he is usually buying because his teams are good.

Devils were clearly out of it in 2015, they sold Zidlicky and Jagr. The next year for the Leafs was also a selling year as they were rebuilding and he sold a lot.

And let's not be so quick to forget that he didn't buy last year either, and they wound up making the playoffs anyway.

 

[periferal]

This. Isles in last place, have to jump 5 teams to even get to a WC. Season is toast. Slow start with mental errors and uninspired play has torpedoed the season.

An aging roster with a total lack of talent torpedoed the season before it even started (and will every subsequent season until young/legit talent is added).

 

[The Real JT]

This. Isles in last place, have to jump 5 teams to even get to a WC. Season is toast. Slow start with mental errors and uninspired play has torpedoed the season.

An aging roster with a total lack of talent torpedoed the season before it even started (and will every subsequent season until young/legit talent is added).

Dare I say, you’re both right.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

I don’t see Nelson or Palms getting traded if the Isles are within close distance to the playoffs. Nor do I see either player resigning. IMO most likely scenario is both walk as free agents.

Would you be okay with a scenario where they both play well enough (along with the rest of the team) for NYI to make the playoffs, but not win the Cup, forcing:

1. Re-up at a higher cost because of their performances in a contract year/playoff run
2. Re-up at a home-town discount to resolve "unfinished business" (but for 5-6yrs, or something like that)
3. Let them walk for nothing in return

Even if they make the SCF and lose, #3 would be a really tough pill to swallow. In truth, the only way I'm okay with #3 is if they ride in convertibles with said Cup down Hempstead Tpke

I think this group has had enough kicks at the can for me to not be interested in #1 or #2, and I would hate to land on #3...so I strongly believe they need to be sellers of at least one of Nelson or Palms, and preferably both.

 

[The Real JT]

Same sh!t. Different perspective.

Many of us have voiced concerns regarding the farm system and the lack of near NHL ready prospects.

If we go back to the second Eastern finals run with Trotz, that team had a far better core but also some younger players who at least at the time gave us hope they would escalate their play over the next few seasons. I’m talking about Wally, Bellows and Beau to name a few. Throw in a younger Sorokin and Dobson who for a time looked like a bonafide #1RHD for the next decade.

Now where are we? The core is older and worse, Dobson has regressed and the only young player on the upswing is Holmstrom who realistically has a middle 6 ceiling.

It’s always easy to know in retrospect when was the best time to sell your assets. With the benefit of hindsight, we are well past that time. I’m worried that we may not get full value for our two impending UFAs but whatever they are worth, they need to be sold. Time to restock the cupboard whether that’s with picks, prospects or younger NHL players.

 

[crashthenet]

I haven't seen Bridgeport play this year. Has Ishakov's departure contributed to the dreadful numbers for Maggio and Dufour?

Just wondering if we do sell, what the call ups might look like.