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Kevin27NYI

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I still don't see why Palms and Nelson can't both fetch first rounders but for Palms that depends on the market. Toffoli might be a comp and that's a second and a third. Have Brock go to Dallas for a first +, Palms maybe back to the Devils for a second and a third. See what the market is for Lee, Cizikas and Pageau. I wouldn't rush to trade Lee but if he does go it gives plenty of cap space to overpay for Rantanen or Marner if they reach free agency. Or you can aggressively trade picks for younger talent that also costs money like a Zegras.
Just to play ball, could see Nelson to Dallas for a 1st and a third, Palms to Devils for a second and third. Could see Lee to Vegas for Holtz+. JG has a 16 team NTC and Casey has 0 trade protection. And Mike Reilly could fetch a late round pick, he'll be healthy soon but is depth, a 5th rounder would play.
 

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I don’t see Nelson or Palms getting traded if the Isles are within close distance to the playoffs. Nor do I see either player resigning. IMO most likely scenario is both walk as free agents.
 
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I don’t see Nelson or Palms getting traded if the Isles are within close distance to the playoffs. Nor do I see either player resigning. IMO most likely scenario is both walk as free agents.
We're five points out but unless this team goes 12-5-2 or something till the deadline (that was a made up record, no idea how many games until then) then we're selling.

I will say, I don't see a scenario where we buy.
 

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We're five points out but unless this team goes 12-5-2 or something till the deadline (that was a made up record, no idea how many games until then) then we're selling.

I will say, I don't see a scenario where we buy.
This. Isles in last place, have to jump 5 teams to even get to a WC. Season is toast. Slow start with mental errors and uninspired play has torpedoed the season.
 

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Take 3 out of 4 pts from PBG and then beat the suddenly struggling Laffs in TOR. Lou won't even wait for the deadline.
Putzrick Roy will probably start sorokin both games back to back nights. No way they take 3 of 4. 1 of 4 maybe. 1 in the first game on Saturday when they come out guns blazing (gotta redeem themselves from shit Buffalo game) to a quick 3-0 lead and eventually lose in the shootout. Then smoked game 2. This team has proven over and over this season they’re just not capable of consistency, putting together a string of Ws.
 

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Putzrick Roy will probably start sorokin both games back to back nights. No way they take 3 of 4. 1 of 4 maybe. 1 in the first game on Saturday when they come out guns blazing (gotta redeem themselves from shit Buffalo game) to a quick 3-0 lead and eventually lose in the shootout. Then smoked game 2. This team has proven over and over this season they’re just not capable of consistency, putting together a string of Ws.
I generally agree, and no, it's not likely to happen but even the Islanders might be capable of one teeny little semi-streak coming out of the break and that is all it will take to get Lou all hot and bothered.
 
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I don’t see Nelson or Palms getting traded if the Isles are within close distance to the playoffs. Nor do I see either player resigning. IMO most likely scenario is both walk as free agents.

And that would be 10 out of 10 on the dumb scale.

I often think about how if the Isles traded Tavares (Instead of letting him walk for NOTHING) for like 3 good/great assets that could've been the thing that put them over the top vs the Lightning one of those years.

You need to maximize every asset you have or you aren't being a good GM.



We're five points out but unless this team goes 12-5-2 or something till the deadline (that was a made up record, no idea how many games until then) then we're selling.

I will say, I don't see a scenario where we buy.

So you're expecting the GM that has never sold...To sell.


The only way he will is if Malkin steps in and forces him or fires him.
 
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So you're expecting the GM that has never sold...To sell.


The only way he will is if Malkin steps in and forces him or fires him.
Credit to him, he is usually buying because his teams are good.

Devils were clearly out of it in 2015, they sold Zidlicky and Jagr. The next year for the Leafs was also a selling year as they were rebuilding and he sold a lot.
 
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On the Trade board I proposed Palms retained for a 2nd and Mikael Diotte, who is an intriguing late bloomer. Not drafted but got a 3-year ELC from the Devils early this year.

21 years old, RHD, 6'3', 205 lbs
Progression in his stats
With Nemec and Casey in the pipeline, he should be available due to trading from a position of strength for the Devils.

We certainly could use another RHD in the prospect pool and he looks like a nice one to target. And the likelihood of prying Casey or Nemec away is pretty small.
 

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I still don't see why Palms and Nelson can't both fetch first rounders but for Palms that depends on the market. Toffoli might be a comp and that's a second and a third. Have Brock go to Dallas for a first +, Palms maybe back to the Devils for a second and a third. See what the market is for Lee, Cizikas and Pageau. I wouldn't rush to trade Lee but if he does go it gives plenty of cap space to overpay for Rantanen or Marner if they reach free agency. Or you can aggressively trade picks for younger talent that also costs money like a Zegras.
I’d be happy with 2 2nds
 
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Credit to him, he is usually buying because his teams are good.

Devils were clearly out of it in 2015, they sold Zidlicky and Jagr. The next year for the Leafs was also a selling year as they were rebuilding and he sold a lot.

And let's not be so quick to forget that he didn't buy last year either, and they wound up making the playoffs anyway.
 

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This. Isles in last place, have to jump 5 teams to even get to a WC. Season is toast. Slow start with mental errors and uninspired play has torpedoed the season.

An aging roster with a total lack of talent torpedoed the season before it even started (and will every subsequent season until young/legit talent is added).
 

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This. Isles in last place, have to jump 5 teams to even get to a WC. Season is toast. Slow start with mental errors and uninspired play has torpedoed the season.

An aging roster with a total lack of talent torpedoed the season before it even started (and will every subsequent season until young/legit talent is added).
Dare I say, you’re both right.
 

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I don’t see Nelson or Palms getting traded if the Isles are within close distance to the playoffs. Nor do I see either player resigning. IMO most likely scenario is both walk as free agents.

Would you be okay with a scenario where they both play well enough (along with the rest of the team) for NYI to make the playoffs, but not win the Cup, forcing:
  1. Re-up at a higher cost because of their performances in a contract year/playoff run
  2. Re-up at a home-town discount to resolve "unfinished business" (but for 5-6yrs, or something like that)
  3. Let them walk for nothing in return
Even if they make the SCF and lose, #3 would be a really tough pill to swallow. In truth, the only way I'm okay with #3 is if they ride in convertibles with said Cup down Hempstead Tpke

I think this group has had enough kicks at the can for me to not be interested in #1 or #2, and I would hate to land on #3...so I strongly believe they need to be sellers of at least one of Nelson or Palms, and preferably both.
 
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Same sh!t. Different perspective.

Many of us have voiced concerns regarding the farm system and the lack of near NHL ready prospects.

If we go back to the second Eastern finals run with Trotz, that team had a far better core but also some younger players who at least at the time gave us hope they would escalate their play over the next few seasons. I’m talking about Wally, Bellows and Beau to name a few. Throw in a younger Sorokin and Dobson who for a time looked like a bonafide #1RHD for the next decade.

Now where are we? The core is older and worse, Dobson has regressed and the only young player on the upswing is Holmstrom who realistically has a middle 6 ceiling.

It’s always easy to know in retrospect when was the best time to sell your assets. With the benefit of hindsight, we are well past that time. I’m worried that we may not get full value for our two impending UFAs but whatever they are worth, they need to be sold. Time to restock the cupboard whether that’s with picks, prospects or younger NHL players.
 
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I haven't seen Bridgeport play this year. Has Ishakov's departure contributed to the dreadful numbers for Maggio and Dufour?

Just wondering if we do sell, what the call ups might look like.
 

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I haven't seen Bridgeport play this year. Has Ishakov's departure contributed to the dreadful numbers for Maggio and Dufour?

Just wondering if we do sell, what the call ups might look like.
Who knows? I've watched significant parts of several games and it's always an empty building with a horrible vibe, or no vibe at all. On top of that there is very little talent to support those who might have potential. Frankly, it would be hard for any player to be at their best in that miserable environment. Even so, nobody looks particularly good in their own right, but again, it is really hard to judge when the team as a whole is that bad and there is zero energy in the building.

If we start selling soon - and I mean selling; Lee, Nelson, Palms, Pags, at the very least - I can't think of a single player who would be a net positive as a call up and so IMO we would be a lottery shoo-in and have at least a shot at a bottom three position by the time the end of the season rolls around.
 
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My next blog post - Taking a deeper dive on a Nelson trade. My next one will be on Palmieri - enjoy the read...

Top 6 Nelson Landing Spots: Carolina, Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota, Winnipeg, and Utah

Brock Nelson could be the crown jewel of the 2025 NHL trade deadline. Among the contenders for his services, Dallas, Minnesota, Carolina, and Colorado all stand out as teams in need of a strong second-line center—and most could potentially re-sign him. While Utah and Winnipeg are longer shots (despite Nelson’s proximity to the Manitoba border growing up), they remain in the conversation due to their need for a dynamic 2C.

DALLAS
Starting with Dallas, a package of their 2025 first-round pick and top prospect Maveric Bourque (C/RW) could be a great package for the Islanders in a deal for Nelson. Though steep for a rental, the Stars are uniquely positioned to make this deal. With Seguin sidelined until the playoffs, Dallas can leverage LTIR to add a high-impact player like Nelson without immediate cap concerns. Beyond this season, the Stars are in an enviable position to re-sign Nelson due to upcoming cap flexibility and the state tax incentive that often appeals to free agents. Their roster is built to contend now and in the future, with major contracts—such as Benn, Duchene, and Dadonov—set to come off the books. Adding Nelson would allow Wyatt Johnston to stay at RW1, maintaining the balance and strength of their forward group.

If Bourque and a first-round pick are too much for Dallas, a reasonable alternative might include their 2025 first-round pick paired with Emil Hemming (RW) or a 2026 second-rounder. However, given Nelson’s status as a consistent scorer and strong playoff performer, the Islanders should aim for a return centred around a first-round pick in the 20-26 range and a high-quality prospect.

MINNESOTA
Since Brock Nelson hails from Minnesota, the Wild are often seen as a logical landing spot. In addition to that, there is a longstanding relationship between Lou Lamoriello and Bill Guerin, and it’s easy to envision both sides finding common ground. However, Minnesota’s limited draft capital complicates a potential deal. The Wild lack a 2025 first-round pick, and their 2026 first is tied up in a conditional trade. While their 2025 pick will unlikely fall in the top five, the conditions make parting with their 2026 first difficult. This means the Islanders would need to focus on a package centred around one of the Wild’s top prospects.

That said, Minnesota’s most coveted prospects—goaltender Jesper Wallstedt, defensemen David Jiricek and Zeev Buium, and forward Daniel Yurov—are likely untouchable in a rental scenario, even with a strong chance to re-sign Nelson in the offseason. This leaves a second tier of prospects that includes Liam Öhgren (LW/RW), Riley Heidt (C/LW), and Charlie Stramel (C).

Among these, Öhgren seems the most logical trade chip. The former first-round pick has already seen NHL action, appearing in eight games this season, though he’s yet to register a point. On an entry-level contract with two seasons remaining before becoming an RFA, he offers cost-controlled upside. Heidt, while impressive in the WHL, raises questions about his ability to transition to pro hockey and may not stick as a center. Stramel, the big-bodied pivot, has struggled in college but is finally showing signs of development at Michigan State, surpassing his point totals from the previous two seasons in just 16 games this year.

Cap considerations further complicate a deal. The Wild are pressed against the salary cap and would need to move out a contract to accommodate Nelson’s $3 million AAV at 50% retention. A package of Öhgren and a 2026 second-round pick feels underwhelming from an Islanders perspective, especially if Öhgren struggles to secure a regular NHL role. Swapping the second-rounder for Stramel might strengthen the return, but even then, it’s debatable whether Minnesota can outbid other suitors in this deadline race.

CAROLINA
A Brock Nelson acquisition by Carolina would bring a significant boost to their forward group, allowing the Hurricanes to shift Jesperi Kotkaniemi to the wing or down to the fourth line. Adding Nelson would instantly make Carolina’s forward corps one of the most formidable and balanced in the league.

The question is whether a package of Carolina’s 2025 first-round pick (likely in the 26-32 range) and prospect Bradley Nadeau (F) is enough to seal the deal. Assuming Scott Morrow (RD) remains untouchable, the Islanders might push for an additional piece. Given that the deal is with a division rival, the 2025 first-rounder could end up being the 32nd overall pick, which may not be enticing enough for Lou Lamoriello.

Carolina does have intriguing options to sweeten the pot, such as 21-year-old right winger Jackson Blake— son of former Islander Jason Blake —who at 21 years old has played effectively in a bottom-six role this season. On a .900K contract with one year remaining, Blake offers cost-controlled value that could subsidize higher cap hits elsewhere. However, to make the deal more palatable for Carolina, the Islanders might need to include a player like William Dufour (RW) as part of the trade.

For clarity, the proposed deal would look like this: Brock Nelson (C) and William Dufour (RW) to Carolina in exchange for a 2025 first-round pick, Bradley Nadeau (F), and Jackson Blake (RW). While this package bolsters the Islanders’ future depth, it raises the question of whether dealing Nelson to a division rival is worth the risk, especially if Carolina’s strengthened lineup makes them even tougher to compete against.

COLORADO
Colorado will undoubtedly be in the market for a center like Brock Nelson as they look to address injuries and solidify their top six. Adding Nelson would allow the Avalanche to move Casey Mittelstadt to the left wing, giving their forward group a much-needed boost. However, Colorado lacks a 2025 first-round pick, which complicates their ability to compete with other teams in the bidding.

The Avalanche’s best offer would likely center around their top prospect, Calum Ritchie (C), who has shone as Team Canada’s top center at this year’s World Juniors. How does this a Ritchie + 2nd round pick stack up against other suitors like Dallas, Minnesota, or Carolina? It largely depends on which prospect the Islanders value most: Ritchie, Liam Öhgren, Maveric Bourque, or Bradley Nadeau. Alternatively, the question could come down to whether the Islanders prioritize a guaranteed prospect over the uncertainty of a first-round pick, even if that pick is at the higher end of the draft.

WINNIPEG
Winnipeg currently holds the best record in the league, making them a strong contender for Brock Nelson’s services. With their 2025 first-round pick and prospects like Brad Lambert (C), Brayden Yager (C), and Colby Barlow (LW), the Jets have the assets to make a competitive offer. However, despite Nelson growing up just a few miles from the Manitoba border, re-signing him would be a significant challenge for the Jets, especially considering the high taxes in Canada and the weakened Canadian dollar. These factors make Winnipeg less appealing for a player like Nelson, who might prefer a situation where his salary goes further, such as in Dallas or Carolina.

While the Islanders would be interested in adding a top prospect like Lambert or Yager, Winnipeg is unlikely to part with either for a rental, given the uncertainty surrounding their ability to retain Nelson. Instead, a more realistic package could involve Colby Barlow, who, despite not making Team Canada’s U20 WJC roster, remains an intriguing power forward prospect. A 2025 1st round pick and Colby Barlow could be a more feasible option for Winnipeg, allowing them to hold onto their higher-tier assets while still offering a package that has future upside.

Given their strong season and history of aggressiveness at the trade deadline, the Jets may decide to make a bold move for Nelson. However, they must weigh the long-term challenges of acquiring a rental they might not be able to keep. Then again, perhaps Nelson is the piece that finally helps bring the first Stanley Cup championship back to Canada since 1993—and if so, it might all be worth it.

UTAH
As for a major dark horse in this race, the Utah hockey club could emerge as a surprise contender for Nelson. In their inaugural season, Utah has shown promise, and their ownership group is eager to make a statement. With plenty of cap space, a deep prospect pipeline, and an array of draft picks, Utah has the flexibility to construct a strong offer. A package featuring Utah’s 2025 first-round pick (likely in the 16-20 range) and power forward prospect Cole Beaudoin would be difficult to beat unless a rival team significantly ups their bid.

While it might seem a year too early for Utah to push its chips in, a continued strong performance heading into the deadline could change that approach. If their goal is to energize their fanbase and signal their arrival as a serious contender, a bold move like acquiring Nelson could align perfectly with their ambitions.
 

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