Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[beach]

They're one point out of playoff position at the end of play Saturday.

They're in the second wild card position at the end of play Saturday.

 

[TeamKidd]

This team needs an Adrian aucion clone...a little bit boychuk a little bit leddy for the YOUTHHHHSSSS.

 

[beach]

This team needs an Adrian aucion clone...a little bit boychuk a little bit leddy for the YOUTHHHHSSSS.

Chris Tanev would fit the bill and this is the last year of his contract. Wonder what it would take.

 

[xECK29x]

Chris Tanev would fit the bill and this is the last year of his contract. Wonder what it would take.

Not the side we need though he can play his off-side pretty well.

 

[PK Cronin]

They're in the second wild card position at the end of play Saturday.

You know what, if you have the standings open on your browser from the day before and just hit refresh it doesn't update the f***ing date you're looking at so it's backdated to when you originally opened it.

My bad, I thought TB passed us at the end of the night because of that.

 

[CupHolders]

There are multiple reasons a deal like that makes sense. The defense gets younger, faster and adds a better puck mover. Not to mention this core of players needs a shake up as the country club has gotten too comfortable. I also think Pelech has started his decline. Whether or not that decline is injury related I would prefer to move on while his value is still high.

I understand your reasoning. I just think looking at Pelech vs Hanafin… you’re undervaluing the player you’re familiar with while possibly focusing too much on Hanafin’s ceiling.

Pelech doesn’t even need to be better than Hanafin. He doesn’t even need to be the number one dman that Trotz relied on. He just needs to put up solid minutes as a number two d-man to Dobson’s number one.

I think Pelech at 5.75 and the saved assets is a better value than Hanafin at 7m+

Mostly because he won’t produce more than Dobson who will earn a raise, while also not providing significantly better minutes than Pelech who will be cheaper.

Again, I understand your reasoning. I don’t think Hanafin alone moves the needle much if it includes also removing someone else.

You want to shake up the defense in a hypothetical trade of a NTC… I say focus on Mayfield or Pulock.

 

[Glory Days]

I understand your reasoning. I just think looking at Pelech vs Hanafin… you’re undervaluing the player you’re familiar with while possibly focusing too much on Hanafin’s ceiling.

Pelech doesn’t even need to be better than Hanafin. He doesn’t even need to be the number one dman that Trotz relied on. He just needs to put up solid minutes as a number two d-man to Dobson’s number one.

I think Pelech at 5.75 and the saved assets is a better value than Hanafin at 7m+

Mostly because he won’t produce more than Dobson who will earn a raise, while also not providing significantly better minutes than Pelech who will be cheaper.

Again, I understand your reasoning. I don’t think Hanafin alone moves the needle much if it includes also removing someone else.

You want to shake up the defense in a hypothetical trade of a NTC… I say focus on Mayfield or Pulock.

I get your points. I just see it differently. I think injuries have taken a toll on Pelech and think he has started his decline. I want to move him now while he still has value.

 

[saintunspecified]

This team needs an Adrian aucion clone...a little bit boychuk a little bit leddy for the YOUTHHHHSSSS.

Aucoin was one of those guys whose numbers never really matched how good he looked on the ice. His numbers look like Pulock's, but he was a better skater, better defensively, and smarter. Close to perfect skating technique (without Leddy's explosiveness, tho). Had that cannon, and also was streaky as heck hitting the net. Just goes to show how Dobson, who doesn't shoot nearly that hard, but who hits the net, has already shown more consistency as a goal scorer from the back end.

I think he's the kind of player who would be appreciated as a defender these days more than he was back then. People loved KJ, but I felt AA did the heavy lifting on that pairing.

 

[SI]

Big NHL day tomorrow - the board of governors in Seattle - not improbable, but it is possible they discuss another expansion team entering the league - I do think we may see Houston or Salt Lake or Atlanta be the next 2 teams that enter the league.

What is very probable that may be mentioned are the musings of a possible cap number - My expectation is we may hear 90-92 for next season.

The league has never been more sustainable- escrow number is down to like 5-6% and there is $ coming in.

 

[Big L]

Big NHL day tomorrow - the board of governors in Seattle - not improbable, but it is possible they discuss another expansion team entering the league - I do think we may see Houston or Salt Lake or Atlanta be the next 2 teams that enter the league.

What is very probable that may be mentioned are the musings of a possible cap number - My expectation is we may hear 90-92 for next season.

The league has never been more sustainable- escrow number is down to like 5-6% and there is $ coming in.

Can’t keep diluting the talent pool with expansion if you want to keep sustainable

 

[miscs75]

Big NHL day tomorrow - the board of governors in Seattle - not improbable, but it is possible they discuss another expansion team entering the league - I do think we may see Houston or Salt Lake or Atlanta be the next 2 teams that enter the league.

What is very probable that may be mentioned are the musings of a possible cap number - My expectation is we may hear 90-92 for next season.

The league has never been more sustainable- escrow number is down to like 5-6% and there is $ coming in.

The New York Islanders trade the rights of Anders Lee prospect Shane Sims to the Salt Lake City Golden Eagles for them to select Oliver Wahlstrom in the upcoming expansion draft.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Can’t keep diluting the talent pool with expansion if you want to keep sustainable

I just randomly checked 8 nhl teams for the last 5-6 years . Attendance is up up up and up more than pre Covid numbers .. Talent doesn’t matter so expand away . It’s all about the Benjamins. Quebec City is my choice .
Go Nordiques

 

[periferal]

These have to be submitted before the season IIRC. I bet most players include all Canadian teams for tax purposes (unless they are from a specific Province that they want to play in).

It's submitted at a specified time every year and cannot be changed after

I'm not sure about this. You hear media reports all the time around the trade deadline talking about players being approached to waive or "submit their no-trade list."

 

[PK Cronin]

I'm not sure about this. You hear media reports all the time around the trade deadline talking about players being approached to waive or "submit their no-trade list."

I believe it was a gray area for a long time (because different players submitted them at different times I think) but the NHL recently clarified it and now they're due at a specific time to avoid issues. Players are allowed to waive their protection to go to a team that was on their list but they are not allowed to change which teams are on the list once it is submitted.

For example, prior to the season they think team A is going to be good and they wouldn't mind being traded there so they do not have them on their "no trade" list. The season starts and team A is now struggling, the player is not allowed to re-submit their list to include team A.

Whenever the list is due, that's it, unless they want to be traded to one of those teams.

It became and issue during the Dadanov situation.

Correspondence emerges proving Evgenii Dadonov filed no-trade paperwork correctly

www.sportsnet.ca

At the centre of the issue is a no-trade clause in Dadonov’s contract which, as Friedman reported on Monday, says Dadonov cannot be traded without first being allowed to submit a 10-team no-trade list. The contract also stipulates the list for the year had to be submitted by July 1, 2021.

Berglund spent 12 years with the St. Louis Blues organization and, on Feb. 24, 2017, signed a five-year extension that included a 20-team no-trade list for Year 2 and Year 3 of the deal.

However, the no-trade clause was voided when Berglund failed to provide the list of teams before a pre-established deadline, making him eligible to be traded anywhere. He was traded to Buffalo on July 1, 2018, where he briefly started as the Sabres’ second-line centre before getting scratched a couple of weeks into the season and ultimately decided to leave the team after a practice in mid-December.

 

[SI]

Can’t keep diluting the talent pool with expansion if you want to keep sustainable

When Ottawa got sold for almost 900+ m - the league cannot ignore that as a possible expansion fee.

Almost all leagues have 32 teams but only the NHL has 24 American teams - that matters, so essentially the league could grow to 36 in the next 10 years .

And yes - dilution could be an issue but financial issues way more important for board of governors than quality of play - international players could help fill the gap.

 

[MJF]

Can’t keep diluting the talent pool with expansion if you want to keep sustainable

Michael Dal Colle come on back.

 

[seafoam]

I'm not sure about this. You hear media reports all the time around the trade deadline talking about players being approached to waive or "submit their no-trade list."

To be fair, you’re not sure about anything except Lamoriello being canned.

 

[TMI]

To be fair, you’re not sure about anything except Lamoriello being canned.

And that if your team isn't guaranteed to win the cup, you may as well not even play the games.

 

[Throttle]

Can’t keep diluting the talent pool with expansion if you want to keep sustainable

This was said when the league expanded from 24-32 teams. There’s barely any difference.

People complained for years about the lack of scoring and needed to make the goalie nets bigger. The nets have stayed the same, the redline is out, and kids that don’t hit (have nothing to fear), don’t play defense, and just play shinny for 60+ minutes. Goal scoring is up (something people wanted) and goaltending is awful, more a byproduct of the above though.

There’s plenty of talent to accommodate more teams. I think the league will eventually be in 40 markets.

 

[IslesNorway]

I'm not sure about this. You hear media reports all the time around the trade deadline talking about players being approached to waive or "submit their no-trade list."

if you have a full NTC you'll have to waive it to go anywhere, but if you have a modified NTC, the list is to be submitted before the start of the season.

But, let's be realistic here. The Islanders have no cap space and a horribly long list of players on bad, lengthy contracts that no other team wants to take on, and who are all of them on NTCs of some kind. Face it, they aren't making a trade anytime soon.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Can’t keep diluting the talent pool with expansion if you want to keep sustainable

Vegas and Seattle’s successes demonstrated to me that the league was overdue for expansion. There’s a surplus of talent.

Adding more teams might actually improve the product, by reducing depth and opening things up for the superstars more.

 

[NC 1972]

Big NHL day tomorrow - the board of governors in Seattle - not improbable, but it is possible they discuss another expansion team entering the league - I do think we may see Houston or Salt Lake or Atlanta be the next 2 teams that enter the league.

What is very probable that may be mentioned are the musings of a possible cap number - My expectation is we may hear 90-92 for next season.

The league has never been more sustainable- escrow number is down to like 5-6% and there is $ coming in.

How many shots is Atlanta going to get ? That ship has sailed.

 

[NC 1972]

When Ottawa got sold for almost 900+ m - the league cannot ignore that as a possible expansion fee.

Almost all leagues have 32 teams but only the NHL has 24 American teams - that matters, so essentially the league could grow to 36 in the next 10 years .

And yes - dilution could be an issue but financial issues way more important for board of governors than quality of play - international players could help fill the gap.

But unlike all other league's , Hockey isnt embraced by the masses. Baseball ,Basketball and Football are the big three, primarily due to the fact that most American's grew up playing those sports Hockey not so much. I remember when the NHL went on strike, The World Poker Tour took it's place on the tube and produced better ratings.

 

[Strummergas]

And that if your team isn't guaranteed to win the cup, you may as well not even play the games.

And trade ALL UFA's unless they sign before the deadline, regardless of playoff standings.

 

[periferal]

To be fair, you’re not sure about anything except Lamoriello being canned.

Goes to show you how necessary it is.