Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[CupHolders]

Any trade that involves moving Pelech for Hanifin AND STILL keeping Aho in the lineup… why?

I’m not even as much an Aho hater as others. But I just don’t see the value in adding additional assets for the supposed incremental improvement of Hanifin over Pelech. Especially since it will require a steeper financial commitment to extend him.

I know people are down on Pelech… but there’s a bit of recency bias at play maybe?

 

[Osakahaus]

We really do need Pelech back in the worst of ways. Aho can be replaced, but losing Pelech just stresses how bad Mayfield and Pulock have been.

 

[SI]

And we don't know when that'll be so we won't know how much they'll accrue. Do you know how much we'll need to make a deal like that actually happen?

Not sure.
The example I was given a while ago was if your team is 500K under the cap by the TDL your team has accrued 1M by the TDL. We know Pelech has to be on LTIR for at least 30 days. There are 186 days in the season and so the closer we get to the TDL the more cap we can accrue. I assume Pelech is back after the obligatory 30 days to be on LTIR. Rough and quick math I'd say the Isles would save about 400 to 500K by the TDL.

If they were to acquire Lindholm and Hanifin both at 50% retained and Romanov, Bolduc, and Wahlstrom were part of that deal - the Isles would be 1.2 m over the Cap that is counting any Cap savings by the TDL.

If they were to waive Fasching and go with a 22 main roster they would need 450 K in savings.

POssible

 

[IslesNorway]

The Islanders haven't got the space to acquire someone like Hanifin or Lindholm, let alone both, simply because they will have to resigned for the deal make any sort of sense. If they trade for them without getting them resigned, it's a fireable offence and will set the prospects system back even further for no gain at all.

None of the Islanders players signed on long term deals are gonna waive their NTCs to go to Calgary, and re-signing Hanifin will probably cost $6-7 million for 7 or 8 years, and Lindholm the same, so better just forget about it.

 

[Isles72]

Hanifin might be a luxury the isles cant afford . I'm certainly not trading Romanov + for him .

I'm more interested in Elias Lindholm for a Wahlstrom + xyz pkg .

Pageau has a 16 team ntc , maybe the Flames are not on it

 

[YearlyLottery]

This team is in no position to make another move like Hanifan unless it is getting them out of the Pageau contract.

 

[CupHolders]

Based on the mainboards (which doesn’t necessarily line up with reality), Bo Byram is a player that I find interesting.

He has had injury problems, and has only played ~120 NHL games. On the short term, he can’t be much worse than Aho. On the long-term he can become a top four core player.

Colorado as a prime championship competitor from the western conference… makes for opportunities to swap cap the other way.

If this season continues to go off the rails for the Isles, then maybe it’s not a hockey trade but a retool trade around Nelson?

 

[seafoam]

Hanifin might be a luxury the isles cant afford . I'm certainly not trading Romanov + for him .

I'm more interested in Elias Lindholm for a Wahlstrom + xyz pkg .

Pageau has a 16 team ntc , maybe the Flames are not on it

The Flames are most definitely on it.

 

[seafoam]

Barzal-Horvat-Engvall
Lee-Nelson-Palmieri
Gauthier-Pageau-Holmstrom
Fasching-Cizikas-Clutterbuck
Martin, Wahlstrom

 

[ekill08x]

Any trade that involves moving Pelech for Hanifin AND STILL keeping Aho in the lineup… why?

I’m not even as much an Aho hater as others. But I just don’t see the value in adding additional assets for the supposed incremental improvement of Hanifin over Pelech. Especially since it will require a steeper financial commitment to extend him.

I know people are down on Pelech… but there’s a bit of recency bias at play maybe?

biggest issue with pelech. was bad before trotz. was amazing defensively with trotz. has not been very good under lambert. what is he? we have him under contract now for a long time. I am not sure I would move him for hanifin but if it means no first roun pick and the only way to get hanifin, it is still an upgrade.

we have to start shedding some bad deals as well. not saying pelech is a bad deal, but he got paid and regressed. pageau is a bad deal. lee is a really bad deal. pageau is easily movable but lee unfortunately is only a buy out. pageau is likely the odd man out. yes he wins faceoffs and is a decent penatly killer for the leagues worst unit but $5m has to get you considerably more considering we gave up several picks to get him and then really gave him a lucrative deal. never liked that trade for a second just because he upside was not very high but here we are. helped us have some nice playoff runs but for a team whose got not cap space...changes need to be made.

 

[CupHolders]

biggest issue with pelech. was bad before trotz. was amazing defensively with trotz. has not been very good under lambert. what is he? we have him under contract now for a long time. I am not sure I would move him for hanifin but if it means no first roun pick and the only way to get hanifin, it is still an upgrade.

we have to start shedding some bad deals as well. not saying pelech is a bad deal, but he got paid and regressed. pageau is a bad deal. lee is a really bad deal. pageau is easily movable but lee unfortunately is only a buy out. pageau is likely the odd man out. yes he wins faceoffs and is a decent penatly killer for the leagues worst unit but $5m has to get you considerably more considering we gave up several picks to get him and then really gave him a lucrative deal. never liked that trade for a second just because he upside was not very high but here we are. helped us have some nice playoff runs but for a team whose got not cap space...changes need to be made.

Regarding Pelech. First off, injuries are a concern. Second, everything you mentioned CAN be a concern... ie. he is exclusively a product of Trotz etc. But I think a year paired with Dobson, will give a clearer picture of what he truly is. That of course, brings us back to the injury concern. Can he actually get back to play substantial time.

But with that said, Pelech paired with an increasingly developing Dobson... Hopefully with some improved personnel in players, and coaching... I personally believe he is completely worth his number two placement and cap hit.

 

[Glory Days]

Any trade that involves moving Pelech for Hanifin AND STILL keeping Aho in the lineup… why?

I’m not even as much an Aho hater as others. But I just don’t see the value in adding additional assets for the supposed incremental improvement of Hanifin over Pelech. Especially since it will require a steeper financial commitment to extend him.

I know people are down on Pelech… but there’s a bit of recency bias at play maybe?

There are multiple reasons a deal like that makes sense. The defense gets younger, faster and adds a better puck mover. Not to mention this core of players needs a shake up as the country club has gotten too comfortable. I also think Pelech has started his decline. Whether or not that decline is injury related I would prefer to move on while his value is still high.

 

[Throttle]

biggest issue with pelech. was bad before trotz. was amazing defensively with trotz. has not been very good under lambert. what is he? we have him under contract now for a long time. I am not sure I would move him for hanifin but if it means no first roun pick and the only way to get hanifin, it is still an upgrade.

we have to start shedding some bad deals as well. not saying pelech is a bad deal, but he got paid and regressed. pageau is a bad deal. lee is a really bad deal. pageau is easily movable but lee unfortunately is only a buy out. pageau is likely the odd man out. yes he wins faceoffs and is a decent penatly killer for the leagues worst unit but $5m has to get you considerably more considering we gave up several picks to get him and then really gave him a lucrative deal. never liked that trade for a second just because he upside was not very high but here we are. helped us have some nice playoff runs but for a team whose got not cap space...changes need to be made.

Lee was a known ‘gonna be a bad deal’ at some point during its life. He’s slowed down due to injury, age, size, and the game got faster. The team also does NOT play to his strengths of shooting the puck at the net for him to get garbage goals - that’s his forte.

JGP is not easily moveable due to the trailing years. His injury has hampered his offense. He can be swapped apart of a cap swap like Beau was.

A team like SEA is interesting because they don’t really have long term deals, which gives them flexibility, but they are going to be paying market rate for players (read: more) in a year or two. I wonder whether they take on a signed guy or two to hedge the market, especially if the cap goes up where you are only paying more again. I see that as a possible destination for him, especially if they are weak down the middle and porous defensively.

 

[Top Corner]

Whalstrom must be being showcased as I can’t figure how any hockey mind has him in the starting lineup, he basically is the Isles worst player. Needs to be sent down regardless if claimed or not

 

[The Wahligator]

The Goat!!! Keep this dude in the lineup!

 

[periferal]

The Flames are most definitely on it.

I always wondered about no-trade clauses. Can't a player always just move teams he doesn't like on to his no-trade list to prevent being traded?

"Oh the Sharks and Flames are interested in trading for me...? Ok then put them on my no-trade list and you can take the Predators and Stars off."

 

[miscs75]

Barzal-Horvat-Engvall
Lee-Nelson-Palmieri
Gauthier-Pageau-Holmstrom
Fasching-Cizikas-Clutterbuck
Martin, Wahlstrom

Gauthier down, Fasching up. Fasching-JGP-Holmstrom should have just stayed a line. Then when Aho comes off IR, trade Wallyworld to SJS for a 19th round pick.

 

[seafoam]

I always wondered about no-trade clauses. Can't a player always just move teams he doesn't like on to his no-trade list to prevent being traded?

"Oh the Sharks and Flames are interested in trading for me...? Ok then put them on my no-trade list and you can take the Predators and Stars off."

These have to be submitted before the season IIRC. I bet most players include all Canadian teams for tax purposes (unless they are from a specific Province that they want to play in).

Gauthier down, Fasching up. Fasching-JGP-Holmstrom should have just stayed a line. Then when Aho comes off IR, trade Wallyworld to SJS for a 19th round pick.

Regardless, both Fasching and Gauthier are better than Martin in everyday roles at this point.

If Parise comes back, he definitely bumps the lesser of the two out but for now Martin needs to be a healthy scratch unless it’s a B2B or opponent where we know the match is going to be physical as hell.

 

[Lame Lambert]

I always wondered about no-trade clauses. Can't a player always just move teams he doesn't like on to his no-trade list to prevent being traded?

"Oh the Sharks and Flames are interested in trading for me...? Ok then put them on my no-trade list and you can take the Predators and Stars off."

It's submitted at a specified time every year and cannot be changed after

 

[Chardo]

Don't look now, but the Isles have points in 8 of last 9, are sitting in playoff position, and have two last place teams coming to town.

 

[Throttle]

Whalstrom must be being showcased as I can’t figure how any hockey mind has him in the starting lineup, he basically is the Isles worst player. Needs to be sent down regardless if claimed or not

He a a throw in on a trade, so the acquiring GM can sell he’s a former 1st rounder with a shot. Thats all.

 

[PK Cronin]

Don't look now, but the Isles have points in 8 of last 9, are sitting in playoff position, and have two last place teams coming to town.

They're one point out of playoff position at the end of play Saturday.

 

[Isles72]

Pelechs durability is a concern in the long run so its more and more important that Bolduc gets some regular time here to get his game up to snuff .

margin for error is razor thin for WC spot so its a dicey situation

 

[Isles72]

I always wondered about no-trade clauses. Can't a player always just move teams he doesn't like on to his no-trade list to prevent being traded?

"Oh the Sharks and Flames are interested in trading for me...? Ok then put them on my no-trade list and you can take the Predators and Stars off."

I bet veteran players wives fill out the list for them while having a glass of wine

 

[beach]

Posted this on the main board but it has to be Romanov going the other way. Replaces Zadorov and keeps us from dropping another first. Bolduc goes with him and Aho/Reilly stay in the 6/7 roles until George is ready, which could be as soon as next season based off of this year's training camp. Add a 5th or something if you need to. Hanifin looking for 50M and 8 x 6.25 would be doable with a Lee buyout in the offseason, which would also make us better.

Romanov is going nowhere.