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I was at the game last night. Bolduc is not an NHL'er, full stop. Too hesitant, slow, and bumbling with the puck.
He's only 22 years old and only played 28 NHL games. Defensemen can take long to adjust to the NHL.

Adam Pelech and Ryan Pulock for example only played their first full NHL seasons at age 23.
Scott Mayfield wasn't a full-time NHL player until like 25 or 26 depending on which of those seasons you consider his first real season.

People on here have no patience, especially for prospects who have deeper adjustment curves than top-15 picks like Dobson.
 
The way the organization has handled Bolduc is questionable at best. He barely gets games in and when he gets games in it is for less than 15 minutes per game. It is going to be difficult for anyone to look good doing that. If you go back on this board you will see multiple posts about young defenseman such as Pelech, Mayfield, Pulock, Dobson, and Romanov that are very negative. I am not saying Bolduc will become one of them but he is something worth trying to develop. He can skate fairly well and has size.
His development by Lane and Lou has been horrible but can he really skate? He has shown no ability to skate or handle the puck well to my eyes
 
Even with the better results lately - this team is still struggling to score goals as well as suppress high danger shots - either leaving their goalies to pick up the slack or their d men to block dozens of shots a night.

As much as the Engvall contract length looks onerous - he is exactly the type of player this team needs more of - fast, skilled, and a strong possession player to compliment the guys who play a heavier game on this team.

A deal I have proposed before and I think would inject more of the things this team needs -

Pageau 30, C, (3/5 AAV) UFA 2026
Wahlstrom, RW, 23, (1/.875K) RFA 2024
For
Garland, 26, RW, (3/4.95 AAV) UFA 2026
Hoglander, 23, F, (2/1.1 AAV) RFA 2025

120K diff in Cap hit.

Isles could line up in no particular order

Engvall Nelson Palmieri
Lee Horvat Garland/Hoglander
Holmstrom Barzal Garland/Hoglander


They could also expand the deal to include either Blueger or Suter for someone like Fasching. Vancouver would have to retain some $ on Blueger/Suter to make the $ work out.


If it were Suter then they could move Barzal back to LW with Horvat and Garland could be RW. Suter could C Holmstrom and Hoglander and the Isles could introduce a new identity line of Lee, Cizikas and Cal
Why would Van do this?
 
That also is a massive issue because holy crap he is BAD
Some time ago before Bolduc reached the AHL, I had shared a story about playing some golf and being teamed up with a guy who’s son was in the QMJHL with Bolduc. He had a strong opinion that he didn’t see much in his game that would translate well in the NHL. Needless to say, me sharing this here didn’t go over well but I can see what he didn’t see in the player. I agree with those that feel he needs to play but with Lanes job dependent on making the playoffs and the isles needing every point there is no room for Bolduc errors
 
I’ve called out Barzal, been waiting to call out Bo. What a waste of assets and 8.5 mil. He was brought here to put that puck in the net. Before the season I said 35-35 is realistic and expected for him. At the time of the trade I was lukewarm, preferred a sniping winger instead. Bo’s been one of the bigger disappointments.

Now, go get a scoring winger, a top 4 Dman, and a better coach; you can send Bo out to offset cap space.
 
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Some time ago before Bolduc reached the AHL, I had shared a story about playing some golf and being teamed up with a guy who’s son was in the QMJHL with Bolduc. He had a strong opinion that he didn’t see much in his game that would translate well in the NHL. Needless to say, me sharing this here didn’t go over well but I can see what he didn’t see in the player. I agree with those that feel he needs to play but with Lanes job dependent on making the playoffs and the isles needing every point there is no room for Bolduc errors

There is no urgency in his game and the puck is a grenade on his stick.
Seems lazy and unfazed until the puck is on his stick, then it's deer in the headlights !!!!
 
I’ve called out Barzal, been waiting to call out Bo. What a waste of assets and 8.5 mil. He was brought here to put that puck in the net. Before the season I said 35-35 is realistic and expected for him. At the time of the trade I was lukewarm, preferred a sniping winger instead. Bo’s been one of the bigger disappointments.

Now, go get a scoring winger, a top 4 Dman, and a better coach; you can send Bo out to offset cap space.
The issue with Bo is fans have placed some weird expectations on the player. He’s a 55 point player. Like a ton of UFAs, he played really darn well in his UFA year on a team going nowhere (ie he can be selfish for his own benefit). He does play a strong overall game in many situations, better than most.

Where you seriously expecting Mat ‘I don’t make players around me better’ Barzal to then Bo into a 30-40 goal scorer?

Tavares turned scrubs into consistent goal scorers, when they left JT, reality set in. Barzal? He has not made one single player on the Islanders better during his tenure. Eberle meshed with him, but was run out of town by the fans.

The issue with the Isles is the draft picks turned players maxed out as good to not so good players, no needle movers, earth shakers. Certainly, no premium talent (Dobson is getting there. Sorokin can be there, subject to his playoff performances). Dallas has anchor contracts in Benn and Seguin, they are being offset by their draft picks delivering as their draft picks. The isles players are not.

I’d keep Horvat everyday all day and trade away Barzal. Just like when he was out of the lineup last year, the teams play settled down, players knew what to do and where.
 
Why would Van do this?
Because they have been trying move Garland since the summer and are willing to eat 20% of the cap space to do so and still have not gotten a deal - also Garland has asked for trade and MGMT gave reps the permission to look for deal.

Vancouver is also looking for a 3C that can help the PK and Suter has not been able to fill that need.

They (Van) stormed out the gate but they are 2-4 the last 6 games and just lost to San Jose - getting another RHD and a 3C is critical for them moving forward
 
It feels like they are trying to rush Boduc's development. There are better defensemen in the A. Cholo is definitely better, Hutton is better, Salo looked better...even LaDue wasn't that bad. I would rather see Helgesen on the team over Bolduc. At least he fights and hits. Hutton is big and strong...He's a younger Mayfield..maybe different playstyle..but he will be sent down...Reilly is going to take on Bolduc's spot. Reilly can fit a certain role on the team and Bolduc doesn't have any role at all.
 
Tavares turned scrubs into consistent goal scorers, when they left JT, reality set in. Barzal? He has not made one single player on the Islanders better during his tenure. Eberle meshed with him, but was run out of town by the fans.
Putting some extra mustard on your narrative?

1. Jordan Eberle was not run out of town by fans. He was roundly criticized for being a perimiter player who went on long scoring droughts. He didn't "mesh" with Barzal any more or less than Anders Lee did. All 3 of them are streaky players and that still holds true for Eberle in Seattle.

2. Eberle wasn't traded off the Island. He was exposed to Seattle, along with Josh Bailey, in the expansion draft with the hope that they would take one of our $5 million salaries off our hands to give us some cap space. Shockingly the Kraken passed on Josh Bailey. :sarcasm:

Look, I think Barzal is overrated and way overpaid too, but why make up stories to throw shade at Isles fans, which you have a weird fetish about.
 
Bolduc is only with the big club because they fear they'll lose him on waivers, not because he's the 7th best dman at the club.


I guess, for me, I am not quite sure what the team sees/saw in Bolduc. They must be thinking that he is a bigger version of AHO, but I don't see any offensive qualities/skill set..at least not yet. He was taking AHo's place on the PP even with AHO in the lineup (early on) Mind you, it must be psychologically stressful not to be in the lineup every day and expecting to come in and play well. Hutton might have looked better because he's had icetime before he came up.

I don't understand WHY keep him up? Why didn't we just keep in in the A like every other prospect...which leads me back to...what exactly did the team see? Because I don't see it. Why put ourselves in this situation when it was not needed...now the team is making this kid suffer failure...hopefully he comes back stronger and better overall.
 
I guess, for me, I am not quite sure what the team sees/saw in Bolduc. They must be thinking that he is a bigger version of AHO, but I don't see any offensive qualities/skill set..at least not yet. He was taking AHo's place on the PP even with AHO in the lineup (early on) Mind you, it must be psychologically stressful not to be in the lineup every day and expecting to come in and play well. Hutton might have looked better because he's had icetime before he came up.

I don't understand WHY keep him up? Why didn't we just keep in in the A like every other prospect...which leads me back to...what exactly did the team see? Because I don't see it. Why put ourselves in this situation when it was not needed...now the team is making this kid suffer failure...hopefully he comes back stronger and better overall.
I think the team saw Bolduc has a cannon of a shot from the point, something Aho doesn’t have. Aho is supposed to be a puck mover, Bolduc would be the guy you want on the power play. Neither player has moved the needle.

My guess is Bolduc is here because they’re afraid he’ll get claimed when we waive him in order to send him down to BPT. Meanwhile his development remains stalled. NHL practices are no substitute for playing in a game, even in the AHL.

And then what happens to Bolduc next season if he’s still here?
 
I think the team saw Bolduc has a cannon of a shot from the point, something Aho doesn’t have. Aho is supposed to be a puck mover, Bolduc would be the guy you want on the power play. Neither player has moved the needle.

My guess is Bolduc is here because they’re afraid he’ll get claimed when we waive him in order to send him down to BPT. Meanwhile his development remains stalled. NHL practices are no substitute for playing in a game, even in the AHL.

And then what happens to Bolduc next season if he’s still here?
Maybe this happens league wide, but why does this seem like it's ALWAYS an issue for the Islanders? No planning or direction for these younger players and then we leave them to rot in the press box.
 
I guess, for me, I am not quite sure what the team sees/saw in Bolduc. They must be thinking that he is a bigger version of AHO, but I don't see any offensive qualities/skill set..at least not yet. He was taking AHo's place on the PP even with AHO in the lineup (early on) Mind you, it must be psychologically stressful not to be in the lineup every day and expecting to come in and play well. Hutton might have looked better because he's had icetime before he came up.

I don't understand WHY keep him up? Why didn't we just keep in in the A like every other prospect...
Maybe it has nothing to do with AHO. They just want a cheap 7th defenseman on the roster. AHO usually gets the call unless there's need for a fill in. A lot of people woul like to see the team get an improvement over AHO, but I don't think it's Bolduc.
 
Putting some extra mustard on your narrative?

1. Jordan Eberle was not run out of town by fans. He was roundly criticized for being a perimiter player who went on long scoring droughts. He didn't "mesh" with Barzal any more or less than Anders Lee did. All 3 of them are streaky players and that still holds true for Eberle in Seattle.

2. Eberle wasn't traded off the Island. He was exposed to Seattle, along with Josh Bailey, in the expansion draft with the hope that they would take one of our $5 million salaries off our hands to give us some cap space. Shockingly the Kraken passed on Josh Bailey. :sarcasm:

Look, I think Barzal is overrated and way overpaid too, but why make up stories to throw shade at Isles fans, which you have a weird fetish about.
If the Isles continue to play the Barzal is the guy game, it’s gonna be a long 8 years, retool, rebuild, whatever. Ain’t nothing good gonna come from it.

Yes, Eberle wasn’t run out of town, isles fans just complained endlessly about him. Snow flipped a disappointment in Strome, got Eberle which worked out. Eberle is a streaky scorer - same with Mark Parrish, but for some reason Parrish got way less scrutiny than Eberle.

My ‘fetish’ is the consistent whining about certain players. People pissed and moaned about Komarov, he was moved along, the team has declined and guess what, no magical winger has yet to emerge for Barzal. He’s out there somewhere, like
Bigfoot.::

Eberle was weak as the Isles went deeper into the playoffs. Lou exposed him and covered with signing Palms at a cheaper rate. Less in season production, but Palms has been arguably a top 3 player for the Isles in their playoff runs.
 
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Maybe this happens league wide, but why does this seem like it's ALWAYS an issue for the Islanders? No planning or direction for these younger players and then we leave them to rot in the press box.
In hindsight (and maybe well before that), Hutton would have been a better choice to be our extra big bodied 6/7 Dman. He is a guy that can pass back-and-forth through waivers without worrying about a claim. I don’t think the right vs left handedness should be a big factor here.

As you said, Bolduc needs the reps whether it’s in Bridgeport or on the Island.
 
If the Isles continue to play the Barzal is the guy game, it’s gonna be a long 8 years, retool, rebuild, whatever. Ain’t nothing good gonna come from it.

Yes, Eberle wasn’t run out of town, isles fans just complained endlessly about him. Snow flipped a disappointment in Strome, got Eberle which worked out. Eberle is a streaky scorer - same with Mark Parrish, but for some reason Parrish got way less scrutiny than Eberle.

My ‘fetish’ is the consistent whining about certain players. People pissed and moaned about Komarov, he was moved along, the team has declined and guess what, no magical winger has yet to emerge for Barzal. He’s out there somewhere, like
Bigfoot.::

Eberle was weak as the Isles went deeper into the playoffs. Lou exposed him and covered with signing Palms at a cheaper rate. Less in season production, but Palms has been arguably a top 3 player for the Isles in their playoff runs.
LOL. When Parrish was on the Islanders this board was in its infancy and nobody was watching the team.

I get it. Given the rise of more platforms and outlets to hear people's opinions there are more and more hot takes than ever before. They're fans. Not everyone sees it the same way.
 
I think the team saw Bolduc has a cannon of a shot from the point, something Aho doesn’t have. Aho is supposed to be a puck mover, Bolduc would be the guy you want on the power play. Neither player has moved the needle.
Bolduc was also a combine star - he's got size, strength, and endurance. I understand wanting to keep that kind of guy around in case something clicks, and being worried it'll click when he gets picked up somewhere else. The thing is that you don't really see that athleticism in the way he skates.
 
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Maybe this happens league wide, but why does this seem like it's ALWAYS an issue for the Islanders? No planning or direction for these younger players and then we leave them to rot in the press box.
Because you follow the Islanders. Look at the 2019 2nd round.

The problem with the Islanders is that they've had so few 1st and 2nd round picks that the chances for breakthroughs are low.
 
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Bolduc was also a combine star - he's got size, strength, and endurance. I understand wanting to keep that kind of guy around in case something clicks, and being worried it'll click when he gets picked up somewhere else. The thing is that you don't really see that athleticism in the way he skates.
I forgot to mention Bolduc's size. And that's a great point you make about his skating. He doesn't have a burst of speed like Bo Horvat, or a choppy stride like Scott Mayfield. But I think he has tools to be a good NHL defenseman if given playing time to develop. Unfortunately this is a results league, and like Barry Trotz, Lambert gets paid to win games and he won't give a rookie extra rope.

Bolduc's skating reminds me of the way Mets fans used to complain about Kevin McReynolds not playing hard. McReynolds was smooth covering CF, but everyone compared him to Lenny Dykstra who always seemed to be hustling. The trouble with Dykstra was that he was so often out of position in CF that he had to come charging and diving after balls. I called that phony hustle.
 
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Bolduc's skating reminds me of the way Mets fans used to complain about Kevin McReynolds not playing hard. McReynolds was smooth covering CF, but everyone compared him to Lenny Dykstra who always seemed to be hustling. The trouble with Dykstra was that he was so often out of position in CF that he had to come charging and diving after balls. I called that phony hustle.
Gotta disagree with you about McReynolds - he took a long time to get up to speed, and didn't get good reads. But he did play hard. Mets fans are famous (I'm one) for BS criticisms over 'effort'. The number of times I heard that Beltran didn't really care, etc. were so bizarre. He was probably the hardest working position player the mets ever had. It's a shame he played during that era.

McReynolds problem was he was traded for an (eventual) MVP. I was too young at the time to know everything that was going on behind the scenes with Mitchell, but he was (obviously) more talented than McReynolds!

Back to Bolduc - it's hard to tell when you watch on TV whether not getting up to speed is about acceleration, or starting late. So, he starts late?
 
If the Isles continue to play the Barzal is the guy game, it’s gonna be a long 8 years, retool, rebuild, whatever. Ain’t nothing good gonna come from it.

Yes, Eberle wasn’t run out of town, isles fans just complained endlessly about him. Snow flipped a disappointment in Strome, got Eberle which worked out. Eberle is a streaky scorer - same with Mark Parrish, but for some reason Parrish got way less scrutiny than Eberle.

My ‘fetish’ is the consistent whining about certain players. People pissed and moaned about Komarov, he was moved along, the team has declined and guess what, no magical winger has yet to emerge for Barzal. He’s out there somewhere, like
Bigfoot.::

Eberle was weak as the Isles went deeper into the playoffs. Lou exposed him and covered with signing Palms at a cheaper rate. Less in season production, but Palms has been arguably a top 3 player for the Isles in their playoff runs.
This guy knows what he's talking about with this post. I'm retweeting.
 
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Gotta disagree with you about McReynolds - he took a long time to get up to speed, and didn't get good reads. But he did play hard. Mets fans are famous (I'm one) for BS criticisms over 'effort'. The number of times I heard that Beltran didn't really care, etc. were so bizarre. He was probably the hardest working position player the mets ever had. It's a shame he played during that era.

McReynolds problem was he was traded for an (eventual) MVP. I was too young at the time to know everything that was going on behind the scenes with Mitchell, but he was (obviously) more talented than McReynolds!

Back to Bolduc - it's hard to tell when you watch on TV whether not getting up to speed is about acceleration, or starting late. So, he starts late?
I think Bolduc’s reads are slow. The game seems to materialize faster than he processes. The hesitancy is noticeable. I think that would go away with repetitions but he won’t get that here.
 
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