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Throttle said:
I can see the fan base has moved into the ‘fire at all costs’ GM position. Only took 5 years from the last guy.

The franchise is doomed with Lou…
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Why not? Should Lou have a job for life with the Islanders?

Thanks to Lou for getting us back in the right track. Now he must go before he undoes all the good that was 2018-2021.
 
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Eh, read the Goldman article and it's not badly written but probably the same people who didn't like it are the same people on here that don't agree with other posters. It's just a different way of running the team and nobody, no matter how sure they are, can say this is a matter of right and wrong. Lou put his faith in the core, and sure, that could turn out to be wrong but once you make that jump it's not like it's easy to turn back. Contracts are signed with a player, but how can anyone say the roster doesn't affect it? If Lou doesn't make a commitment to Clutter and Cizikas, who is to say Pulock and Pelech take team friendly deals. Maybe Sorokin doesn't commit. You can't look at each move like it's only dependent on Lou and that particular player. The part i agree with the most, is once you choose the Tampa strategy, you need to havre the ability to find some league minimum and late round draft gems. Isles don't really seem capable to do that. It's not for lack of trying with Ladue, Choloski and Gauthier, but they've all been misses. Also, you have to have a coach in place that can compete for a Stanley Cup. We don't. Tampa did both of those things well. Lou has not.

Osakahaus said:
Pretty much the biggest "wait WTF that happened?" thing on our minds also. Poor Lee. dude really can pour his heart out for the island but he looks washed up
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Maybe not the 2023/2024, but I would have put it on 2024/25. It's just a year early... not that shocking. Again though... no way we couldn't have resigned Lee. It was an impossible move to not make.
 
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LeapOnOver said:
If Lou doesn't make a commitment to Clutter and Cizikas, who is to say Pulock and Pelech take team friendly deals.
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Pulock and Pelech are on team friendly deals? I guess they’re not complete albatross deals, but I wouldn’t go that far. We have too many mid-to-bad contracts on the team, Nelson and Sorokin are the only two decent value contracts.
 
Zeeker said:
Pulock and Pelech are on team friendly deals? I guess they’re not complete albatross deals, but I wouldn’t go that far. We have too many mid-to-bad contracts on the team, Nelson and Sorokin are the only two decent value contracts.
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Then Nelson is getting dealt and so is Cizikas if he can't shut his mouth.
 
Osakahaus said:
Then Nelson is getting dealt and so is Cizikas if he can't shut his mouth.
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I guess I understand the Cizikas hate but like... isn't sticking up for the guys in the room the exact type of character you want your veterans to show? If someone was calling for one of my mentor's heads I'd probably tell them to f*** off too. I really don't think you can be angry at a player for sticking by his coach.
 
Osakahaus said:
and Shayna can be talking out of her ass because I still think neither Martin or Clutterbuck survive the 2024, and Pageau probably gets dealt. There is reason to be negative and then there's being irrational for a very meh start.

Lou is done after 2023. I doubt he will have the reigns as a GM because his contract is over. Just get the team to a younger general manager. If they miss the playoffs, oh well. Shit happens. Point fingers at Ilya and the bottom 6 being poor. Does it excuse the construction? Not at all. But did we expect to see Lee regress from Zacha injuring him, or Pageau being unable to score? How about the team facing severe issues due to the salary cap.
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Not sure where you got that from when in fact every report that leaked out was the exact opposite....





https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2023/05/islanders-expected-to-offer-lou-lamoriello-contract-extension.html
 
LeapOnOver said:
Eh, read the Goldman article and it's not badly written but probably the same people who didn't like it are the same people on here that don't agree with other posters. It's just a different way of running the team and nobody, no matter how sure they are, can say this is a matter of right and wrong. Lou put his faith in the core, and sure, that could turn out to be wrong but once you make that jump it's not like it's easy to turn back. Contracts are signed with a player, but how can anyone say the roster doesn't affect it? If Lou doesn't make a commitment to Clutter and Cizikas, who is to say Pulock and Pelech take team friendly deals. Maybe Sorokin doesn't commit. You can't look at each move like it's only dependent on Lou and that particular player. The part i agree with the most, is once you choose the Tampa strategy, you need to havre the ability to find some league minimum and late round draft gems. Isles don't really seem capable to do that. It's not for lack of trying with Ladue, Choloski and Gauthier, but they've all been misses. Also, you have to have a coach in place that can compete for a Stanley Cup. We don't. Tampa did both of those things well. Lou has not.


Maybe not the 2023/2024, but I would have put it on 2024/25. It's just a year early... not that shocking. Again though... no way we couldn't have resigned Lee. It was an impossible move to not make.
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Cooper was an AHL head coach with zero NHL games under his belt when he was named the head coach.
 
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MJF said:
Why not? Should Lou have a job for life with the Islanders?

Thanks to Lou for getting us back in the right track. Now he must go before he undoes all the good that was 2018-2021.
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No, but people are acting like this is Doug Wilson level bad or Lombardi loyalty contract bad or Jarmo ‘improved offseason, but suck every season’ bad.

I would prefer the Isles roll into Feb and see how things look. There’s no legit assets to flip like your STL example, teams aren’t taking on term contracts, so see what comes of this squad, good, bad or indifferent. They are not enjoyable to watch, that’s for sure.

Where things get funky are with Nelson and Palms bc they have another year before UFA. There is no way in heck should the Isles resign Nelson. Palms is a tbd or walk away.

If you want to carve, ship off Nelson, move Barzal as he can’t carry a team and ain’t gonna bring any goal scoring, sunset Clutter/Martin. That’s the best to be had in the short term. JGP is a long shot, would require a bad contract coming back.
 
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Osakahaus said:
This is from May 2023
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So....? In it it says that ownership is going to give Lou a vote of confidence that extend his contract. Since this is the most secretive franchise in the NHL it could've been done already.

Yet you said, "Lou is done after 2023." Where is that confirmed report saying his contract will NOT be extended and/or he will be fired sine you've now claimed that?
 
periferal said:
So....? In it it says that ownership is going to give Lou a vote of confidence that extend his contract. Since this is the most secretive franchise in the NHL it could've been done already.

Yet you said, "Lou is done after 2023." Where is that confirmed report saying his contract will NOT be extended and/or he will be fired sine you've now claimed that?
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I think he isn't going to manage after 2023, and thats just from my general gut feeling. Regardless if they make the playoffs or not.
 
Zeeker said:
Pulock and Pelech are on team friendly deals? I guess they’re not complete albatross deals, but I wouldn’t go that far. We have too many mid-to-bad contracts on the team, Nelson and Sorokin are the only two decent value contracts.
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Those contracts were lauded when they were signed. Just people forget that and only focus on today.
 
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LeapOnOver said:
Those contracts were lauded when they were signed. Just people forget that and only focus on today.
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Pulock had 35 points in 68 games followed up by 17 in 56 to go along with being on the top pair of back to back ECF teams (he also had 3 seasons of 32+ points, two of which were shortened, by that point in his career). The thought on his deal was that his offense was going to continue and it didn't. Pelech was a deal for a top pairing shutdown defender, arguably the best in the league.

I don't regret Pelech's deal but Pulock's is worse now that his offense has never regained form and he's become more of a shutdown guy.
 
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PK Cronin said:
Pulock had 35 points in 68 games followed up by 17 in 56 to go along with being on the top pair of back to back ECF teams (he also had 3 seasons of 32+ points, two of which were shortened, by that point in his career). The thought on his deal was that his offense was going to continue and it didn't. Pelech was a deal for a top pairing shutdown defender, arguably the best in the league.

I don't regret Pelech's deal but Pulock's is worse now that his offense has never regained form and he's become more of a shutdown guy.
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Fair enough.... circling back though it doesn’t discount my original point. Also, for sure most fans here loved the Pulock contract when it was signed. So management must have as well. Anything after that is Monday morning QB stuff.
 
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LeapOnOver said:
Fair enough.... circling back though it doesn’t discount my original point. Also, for sure most fans here loved the Pulock contract when it was signed. So management must have as well. Anything after that is Monday morning QB stuff.
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I definitely think you're right that nobody had a problem with the deals. Pelech was believed to have taken a discount for sure and/or was penalized for a lack of offensive production (like many other shutdown defenders over the years). Pulock making more was accepted simply because that's how contracts work, guys with points get paid more.
 
Pulock and Pelech looked like one of the best D pairings in the world under Trotz, hence the deals looked like absolute steals at the point of signing. Now, they've both gone backwards since then. Can they be coached back to where they once were or will we be made to regret those deals like we will a few others on our books?
 
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Islanders are third best in the league in fewest minutes trailing. They're third best in minutes tied, and 6th best in minutes with a lead.
 
Pulock was possibly the Isles best skater in the playoffs last season, and the games I've seen he's looked pretty good to me this year. Yeah, he doesn't score points, but I think his puck movement especially out of the defensive zone and in the neutral zone has been good. I must be in the minority who think he's worth what he's being paid (or if it's an overpay it's pretty minor).
 
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Chardo said:
Islanders are third best in the league in fewest minutes trailing. They're third best in minutes tied, and 6th best in minutes with a lead.
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I.e we blow a lot of leads

thats very bad and our defense gotta stop letting go of the gas. its why I can (understandably) see Patrick Kane coming here to fix our LW1 issues.
 
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