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periferal said:
I really don't think you're appreciating how "gamble free" all these sports league need to be. If players are gabling, especially on their own sport, that is a slippery slope to changing their effort and possibly even throwing games.

Even if things aren't as bad behind the scenes if any league gets labeled as "questionable" and it affects the public's trust in outcomes, then that can affect advertising dollars and that's why you see league's coming down hard on players who gamble.

All leagues have to lay down the law because just one player could cost the league millions.

We can take drugs recreationally....Athletes cannot. We can drink on flights...Pilots cannot. This is the career athletes have chosen and while gambling is still new, they are going to have to get in line and not do it if they want to keep their careers going.
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Not to mention that they have an unfair advantage of insider information that casual fans could never obtain. I don't mind if they gamble, just can't gamble on the NHL.
 
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PK Cronin said:
Not to mention that they have an unfair advantage of insider information that casual fans could never obtain. I don't mind if they gamble, just can't gamble on the NHL.
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What you say makes sense, but I think they have to draw the line at zero gambling. It may seem unlikely but if an NHL player is gambling on another sport, in theory they could get in a situation where they'd be compromised. For example, if they're in debt to gamblers they could be tempted into throwing their own game as payback, or providing inside info, etc.. Or they could cut a deal with an athlete in another sport and they bet on the other's sport and each throw a game for the other's benefit. Again, unlikely stuff, but better for the leagues to just erect a wall between pro athletes and gambling.
 
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PK Cronin said:
Not to mention that they have an unfair advantage of insider information that casual fans could never obtain. I don't mind if they gamble, just can't gamble on the NHL.
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Even more to the point, but it's not even that simple. A lot of athletes from different sports know each other so they can still get inside information to games in other sports much easier than the public can. When all sports' gambling polices settle in it's probably going to be that no athlete can gamble on any other sport and no doubt that would be the safest policy for each league.

While it still cannot be excused if a minor leaguer does it, at least I'd understand it because any minor league salary is very working class and sometimes less. OTOH the NHL minimum salary is $750,000 right now. That is more money than 95% of society earns so I don't have a lot of empathy for someone making that kind of cash having to totally sacrifice sports gambling.
 
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doublechili said:
What you say makes sense, but I think they have to draw the line at zero gambling. It may seem unlikely but if an NHL player is gambling on another sport, in theory they could get in a situation where they'd be compromised. For example, if they're in debt to gamblers they could be tempted into throwing their own game as payback, or providing inside info, etc.. Or they could cut a deal with an athlete in another sport and they bet on the other's sport and each throw a game for the other's benefit. Again, unlikely stuff, but better for the leagues to just erect a wall between pro athletes and gambling.
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periferal said:
Even more to the point, but it's not even that simple. A lot of athletes from different sports know each other so they can still get inside information to games in other sports much easier than the public can. When all sports' gambling polices settle in it's probably going to be that no athlete can gamble on any other sport and no doubt that would be the safest policy for each league.

While it still cannot be excused if a minor leaguer does it, at least I'd understand it because any minor league salary is very working class and sometimes less. OTOH the NHL minimum salary is $750,000 right now. That is more money than 95% of society earns so I don't have a lot of empathy for someone making that kind of cash having to totally sacrifice sports gambling.
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I could see that being a potential issue. Have them stick to the casino tables then.
 
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LeapOnOver said:
Bolduc got blown past on the outside by Mackinnon when Colorado got a favorable line change in. If Bolduc wasn't playing sheltered minutes, things like that would be happening way more. There is a reason his minutes are guarded.
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It seems the other team gets many favorable line changes in when visiting UBS. That's a different problem. The staff in general seems to have no clue how to manage young players. Another problem.

McKinnon beating him isn't enough to warrant 6 minutes. What was the result btw? Dobson follies and Pelech looking like Andy MacDonald?

Insert inane coach's comment here-
It was situational, but that's the biggest thing players need to learn in this league," Lambert said after Wednesday's practice. about Bolduc's lack of TOI "They need to be assertive every shift. You can't take a second off. It's a very demanding thing to understand, and he's still learning and growing with that."

Lol. Perhaps the was part of his sermon on the ice.

I still have confidence in the roster. Not so sure about the coaching staff.
 
JKP said:
I guess I'm not debating he broke a rule, I just find it beyond hypocritical for the teams and league to make millions from gambling, shove it down the world's throat incessantly to make it part of the NHL's culture and then slam a player when he does it.
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Agree. I guess Pinto didn't make it to the disclaimer at the end of the ads.

What a disgrace to see the game's all time greatest player shilling for a gambling website or whatever it is. It is unacceptable to see the league's current best player doing the same. Everyone knows Gretzky was a gambler. Doesn't make it right though.
 
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Osakahaus said:
Rosner is okay. Given that this team has almost zero media at all, any crumb of information should be seen as the eucharist that we can have. However, it sucks that we cant grill Lamoriello as much, nor can we question Lambert either. They head into the next few games with a lot of questions. You need to win these games, because if you dont? The seat is going to get so hot that Satan is probably sweating.
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When you have a grumpy coach or GM (like Belichek) that scowls and gives no information of value to the fans or the media we smile, respect him and think he’s playing 3D chess.

When you’re a team like the Isles, Lou’s act wears thin on fans like me no matter how much of a diehard fan I am.
 
doublechili said:
What you say makes sense, but I think they have to draw the line at zero gambling. It may seem unlikely but if an NHL player is gambling on another sport, in theory they could get in a situation where they'd be compromised. For example, if they're in debt to gamblers they could be tempted into throwing their own game as payback, or providing inside info, etc.. Or they could cut a deal with an athlete in another sport and they bet on the other's sport and each throw a game for the other's benefit. Again, unlikely stuff, but better for the leagues to just erect a wall between pro athletes and gambling.
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The original Axel Freed (James Caan) has entered the conversation.

I don’t find that scenario far fetched at all.
 
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The Real JT said:
When you have a grumpy coach or GM (like Belichek) that scowls and gives no information of value to the fans or the media we smile, respect him and think he’s playing 3D chess.

When you’re a team like the Isles, Lou’s act wears thin on fans like me no matter how much of a diehard fan I am.
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Its just annoying because we also have to deal with the NHL's ever vague "upper" or "lower" body injury designation. The isles gotta get to the 21st century. I am BEGGING to steal Tulsky from the Canes when Lamoriello leaves. But knowing this team, they're absolutely keeping Chris and promoting him to GM and doing the same crap again
 
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Osakahaus said:
Its just annoying because we also have to deal with the NHL's ever vague "upper" or "lower" body injury designation. The isles gotta get to the 21st century. I am BEGGING to steal Tulsky from the Canes when Lamoriello leaves. But knowing this team, they're absolutely keeping Chris and promoting him to GM and doing the same crap again
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In the spirit of Halloween I’d say your premonition is chilling.
 
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crashthenet said:
It seems the other team gets many favorable line changes in when visiting UBS. That's a different problem. The staff in general seems to have no clue how to manage young players. Another problem.

McKinnon beating him isn't enough to warrant 6 minutes. What was the result btw? Dobson follies and Pelech looking like Andy MacDonald?

Insert inane coach's comment here-
It was situational, but that's the biggest thing players need to learn in this league," Lambert said after Wednesday's practice. about Bolduc's lack of TOI "They need to be assertive every shift. You can't take a second off. It's a very demanding thing to understand, and he's still learning and growing with that."

Lol. Perhaps the was part of his sermon on the ice.

I still have confidence in the roster. Not so sure about the coaching staff.
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Yeah, i almost brought up the fact that Bolduc shouldn't be on the ice against Mackinnon, and criticized Lambert for it but didn't want to cloud my point on Bolduc. You are 100% right though. Things like that are adding up on Lambert and if it doesn't click for him soon, he might be out of a job, regardless of the standings.
 
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miscs75 said:
Brian Strait available?
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YOU MEANT TO SAY “THE WARRIOR “ BRIAN STRAIT
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Since this is a discussion board, curious what other posters feel who would be a cost effective and sneaky move for this team at either LW or a LHD. I know it is October and it is fun to at least speculate as many watch other teams. This is what all 32 GM's are shooting for, so what I mean is like a Sam Bennett or a Carter Verhaeghe. Possibly a high pick who needs a fresh start or a later round player who develops later and figures it out. Not a Kyle Connor because that is probably not going to happen, but he would be the perfect player.

I watch a lot more west coast games so I always wondered if an Arthur Kailyev, Dillon Dube, or even a Frank Vatrano would hit on this team. Vatrano has a sizeable contract so not sure he is a good example for a team with cap and roster constraints.

Who would be a cost controlled and possible stabilizing presence on the left side of the D?
 
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