Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[Throttle]

All that happened was Lou was riding the coattails of Snow's hard work. Other than that the team performed poorly the longer it had Lou at the helm to dismantle Snow's team. They got worse not better in the last 2 years. That started with his ridiculous decision to fire Trotz because he's an egomaniac.

It usually works out well for someone when the openly say the want to be in a more senior role while being the coach. Trotz knew what he was doing when he said that. The entire media picked it up for exactly what it was: he wanted to be a GM.

What’s he doing now?

 

[boredmale]

Maybe Troy Terry ends up being a good contract - I'm honestly not that familiar with the player. But I wouldn't gush over the contract since he's really had a couple of quality seasons with a bottom-feeding team and not really playing any games that matter. So, there is a bit of a roll-of-the-dice element to the signing. That's fine - we do it too. But I wouldn't use him as a favorable comparison to Barzal's or Horvat's contracts.

I am no way commenting on how good or bad Terry is because like you I haven't seen him enough, but yeah you always wonder with guys like him if it's the Mariusz Czerkawski syndrome(ie bad player on a good team getting stuff like PP time or on the ice when they are down a lot, that they wouldn't normally on a playoff team)

I always feel the best way to get a gauge of how good a player is is look at even strength points, because sometimes PP points can be deceiving(sometimes it can just be a bad team PP, other times it's a guy who gets 1st unit PP time on a bad team that he wouldn't if he was playing for another team, etc)

 

[Osakahaus]

Anyone else listen to Sirius XM NHL radio? They have been repeating their GM Report Cards segment through the dog days of summer. Anyone else give a listen? I think Lou got a D and it was a brutal listen. Many of their comments were very similar to comments on this board, aging roster, lack of a prospect pool, and long term contracts. I am certainly lukewarm on Lou's tenure and certainly can recognize his hiring bringing stability to the franchise.

The one fact that was brought up in the radio show that really stuck out to me is that the Isles have 62.6 million committed to contracts in 2026!!!! Here's to hoping the cap goes up significantly in the next few years! Bottom line, can't wait for the drop of the puck in a few months!

Well lets do the math

Horvat, Barzal and Sorokin are about a third of that, and the rest are between Pulock, Pelech, Mayfield, and Engvall. I think it's gonna go up anyways (if it doesn't we riot).

 

[Osakahaus]

I am no way commenting on how good or bad Terry is because like you I haven't seen him enough, but yeah you always wonder with guys like him if it's the Mariusz Czerkawski syndrome(ie bad player on a good team getting stuff like PP time or on the ice when they are down a lot, that they wouldn't normally on a playoff team)

I always feel the best way to get a gauge of how good a player is is look at even strength points, because sometimes PP points can be deceiving(sometimes it can just be a bad team PP, other times it's a guy who gets 1st unit PP time on a bad team that he wouldn't if he was playing for another team, etc)

Terry is on a bad team who is elevated. He is very good for them, but on any other team (NYI, BOS, TOR, VAN), he's a middle 6 guy who you give him the Palmieri contract. I dunno why the Ducks gave him that much, but they can do their thing. They are in our shoes 10 years back.

 

[BelovedIsles]

I watch a fair amount of WC games. Terry is a good-very good, two way scoring winger. Another winger I’d love to have here. He isn’t a PP specialist either. Very skilled, natural scoring instincts. Just entering his prime.

 

[Osakahaus]

I watch a fair amount of WC games. Terry is a good-very good, two way scoring winger. Another winger I’d love to have here. He isn’t a PP specialist either. Very skilled, natural scoring instincts. Just entering his prime.

But he's essentially what I just called him: a middle 6 guy who would be a middle 6 player on a good team

 

[BelovedIsles]

But he's essentially what I just called him: a middle 6 guy who would be a middle 6 player on a good team

He’s most certainly a top-6 winger on a good team, if not a top-liner. I see consistent 30g, 70 pt seasons.

 

[Rehabguy]

I think Lou knew that Trotz was being courted behind the scenes to take over for Poile and didnt want a distracted head coach in 22-23 . It would have been an awkward year of endless questions to Barry whether or not he's getting extended or not .

Just reads like a conspiracy theory because some like to rationalize Lou’s bad moves. If Lou hasn’t had a history of firing head coaches inexplicably and usually at the most in opportune moments I would give a tiny bit of credence to this theory but he’s done weird head coach firings of good coaches in the past. He thinks he’s the hockey equivalent of Steinbrenner but he sucks at it. He tends to do headline news irrational things just to make himself look still relevant as though he’s some kind of genius but all it does is make him look like a fool at least amongst rational beings.

 

[Osakahaus]

He’s most certainly a top-6 winger on a good team, if not a top-liner. I see consistent 30g, 70 pt seasons.

We shall see by this season.

 

[Rehabguy]

It usually works out well for someone when the openly say the want to be in a more senior role while being the coach. Trotz knew what he was doing when he said that. The entire media picked it up for exactly what it was: he wanted to be a GM.

What’s he doing now?

Think about what you are saying.

Lou Lamiorello is 80 years old. He’s not going to be around forever and in Trotz mind sure he thinks one day soon Lamiorello was going to retire so he mentions in the media that maybe one day he could assume both roles for the Isles. So you could look at this one of two ways: the way you see it- that we have a fickle 80 year old GM who was worried about his job security so he ruthlessly fires the guy for mentioning his future aspirations, OR you have an egomaniac GM who thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room with no thoughts of retirement and decides to fire one of the best coaches in hockey thinking that the guy had enough time to prove himself and wanted a new voice in the room. I say it’s the latter and the one thing I learned about LL is you just take the words that come out of his mouth literally. People like to read into the things he says like he’s telepathing some genius idea when the guys just a fool.

I would just like to experience being on the winning side of some trade, draft pick, or signing when it comes to Lou. With him we’re getting hosed in some way or another. Always.

My trust of this teams leadership declined as the year progressed and Lambert buckled down on his way doing things, but as we all know a fish always rots head first.

 

[Rehabguy]

What worries me about the Isles is we have an 80 year old GM is taking I’ll advised risks with teams future with no care about the long term ramifications because what matters to him the most is his own legacy. He’s rolling the dice ( and rather poorly) hoping he’ll see one more Cup before he leaves this earth with no care about the future. Well we will be the ones who have to live with his mistakes.

 

[Rehabguy]

Snow is treated like politics here. The people that don't like him refuse to acknowledge anything he did well., while the people that like him exaggerate his performance.

What gets to me is that people put up embarrassing billboards to roast Snow while they are ready to put up a shrine for Lou who has done nothing for this franchise but set it back.

 

[SI]

HE NEVER SAID THIS!

Everyone knew Sorokin wanted to play in the KHL. That's was known for a long time and why other GMs and pundits thought it was crazy for Snow to sign him at all. THIS WAS ONE OF SNOW'S greatest insights that put this organization in a great position for years to come. The insight that Sorokin would eventually sign with a NHL team so he made him OUR prospect. That along with his astute handling of the Griffin Reinhart situation to ultimately bring in Barzal. Talk about making lemonade out of lemons!


Revisionist at best. He didn't fail at anything in regards to Sorokin. He drafted him with the good insight that Sorokin like every other player who plays hockey would eventually want to sign onto an NHL team. Garth picking Sorokin was Garth at his best. THIS WAS WHAT HE WAS PHENOMENAL AT DOING, and THIS is one of if not the primary role of a good GM. To set a franchise in the right direction for the long term. The Isles roster or least what’s left of it is testament to that.


He was one of the most underrated GMS in the league. Actually what he did with this club pulling it out of the cellar was simply amazing with what he started with- a totally crap team with NOTHING in the farm system.

Igor Eronka and Arthur staple both reported it at the time.

 

[Big L]

Hi Garth’s mom


if Garth was so great at anything he did, he would have landed a job in some fashion on any one of the other 31 teams in the league. He did not and has not. That tells you all you need to know, and there’s nothing left to say. All this hot air blathering is pure asshattery.

isn’t there already a thread for garf? Take your pablum there.

 

[Seph]

Revisionist at best. He didn't fail at anything in regards to Sorokin. He drafted him with the good insight that Sorokin like every other player who plays hockey would eventually want to sign onto an NHL team. Garth picking Sorokin was Garth at his best. THIS WAS WHAT HE WAS PHENOMENAL AT DOING, and THIS is one of if not the primary role of a good GM. To set a franchise in the right direction for the long term. The Isles roster or least what’s left of it is testament to that.

Revisionist? My bad then. Please correct correct my version of history and tell us all when Garth succeeded at signing Sorokin.

 

[Strummergas]

Isn't there already a f***ing dedicated Snow thread? Why are a couple of this joker's lap dogs allowed to infect every discussion with their Snow nonsense?

 

[Strummergas]

What gets to me is that people put up embarrassing billboards to roast Snow while they are ready to put up a shrine for Lou who has done nothing for this franchise but set it back.

Yes, THE SAME EXACT PEOPLE are doing this.

What worries me about the Isles is we have an 80 year old GM is taking I’ll advised risks with teams future with no care about the long term ramifications because what matters to him the most is his own legacy. He’s rolling the dice ( and rather poorly) hoping he’ll see one more Cup before he leaves this earth with no care about the future. Well we will be the ones who have to live with his mistakes.

Fair point, but evoking the bloated ghost of GM Garth Snow at every possible moment does not change the course this team is currently on.

 

[PK Cronin]

Yeah, we're done talking about Garth Snow in this thread. Move it along.

 

[SRBisles]

 

[steveat]

A lot of these moves and signings are ownership driven. We can blame Lou for all that.

 

[JKP]

Karlsson is great, but he just had an awesome year, which means he's due now for 18 months of injuries... Wouldn't go near him, esp at that cap. Just gets hurt too much.

 

[SI90]

Karlsson to PIT looks to be almost done.

f***ing metro.

 

[Big L]

Lol typical dubas. ‘Needs more offense!’


The Athletics hot take puts the Pens as cup contenders now. ‘How does this help penguins defense?’ Athletic response - ‘who cares’

 

[JKP]

Lol typical dubas. ‘Needs more offense!’


The Athletics hot take puts the Pens as cup contenders now. ‘How does this help penguins defense?’ Athletic response - ‘who cares’

Jarry and Nedeljkovic in net... Same ole Dubas

 

[Zeeker]

The Penguins were just as good as us last year and just got way better on paper at least