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Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California
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Rehabguy
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Fan boy here! I guess Snow and Co. just let one slip there after nabbing Barzal essentially for Ryan Griffith along with his best friend Beauvillier in the 2015 first round. Even the best in the business need to given a break from time to time.
I agree Lou would not have offered up that contract, now if Wilson had say, 6 years more experience in the NHL and was well over 30, then for sure in Lou's mind that contract is a steal because we all know how he values experience over youth.
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Terry could've been awesome but college. Remember: we were still an awful organization at the time.
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If anyone had any inkling of what he was going to be, he wouldn't have been drafted in the 5th round.
Running back the same team that wasn't good enough to get out of the first round, is still running it back. I also don't think the Isles were really all that close to beating the Canes. It was not a coin flip series in a series where they had the much better goaltender.
The faction of fans that say all you have to do is make the playoffs, are the same group that fails to acknowledge that the team was not a real threat to beat the Canes in a 7 game series.
It's also an indictment against any team that spends to the cap, and finds themselves in the middle tier. This means that your team construction/cap allocation is far less than ideal. Thankfully, I believe this is the last year for Lou. I just hope he doesn't do any more long term damage to this team while building a team just good enough to make the playoffs.
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Anyone else listen to Sirius XM NHL radio? They have been repeating their GM Report Cards segment through the dog days of summer. Anyone else give a listen? I think Lou got a D and it was a brutal listen. Many of their comments were very similar to comments on this board, aging roster, lack of a prospect pool, and long term contracts. I am certainly lukewarm on Lou's tenure and certainly can recognize his hiring bringing stability to the franchise.
The one fact that was brought up in the radio show that really stuck out to me is that the Isles have 62.6 million committed to contracts in 2026!!!! Here's to hoping the cap goes up significantly in the next few years! Bottom line, can't wait for the drop of the puck in a few months!
The one fact that was brought up in the radio show that really stuck out to me is that the Isles have 62.6 million committed to contracts in 2026!!!! Here's to hoping the cap goes up significantly in the next few years! Bottom line, can't wait for the drop of the puck in a few months!
I still can't believe how terrible Lou has done as GM. Making the playoffs in 4 out of 5 seasons with 2 ECF appearances.
I really miss the days of Milburry and Snow when we had those great prospect pools.
I really miss the days of Milburry and Snow when we had those great prospect pools.
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Exactly. Lou could trade Aho for McDavid and people would still be miserable.
I miss the days of making the SCF. 39 years since that happened. Only Toronto has a longer SCF drought (aside from the 5 teams that have never been there). Lou has been on the clock. Time to raise the bar and take the next step.
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Most of those rosters that had deeper playoff runs were Snow's teams.
The two most recent teams, which are now becoming more Lou built, finished 9th one year and finished 7th (first round exit) the other.
In fact, if it wasn't for a Snow pick in Sorokin, the teams probably would have been fighting for last in the division the past two seasons.
The team's gotten consistently worse both on NHL ice and in the farm system over the past three years.
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Not necessarily true - Sorokin said he would never sign here due to Snow - Lou has everything to do with why Sorokin signed. Also, Pageau and Palmieri were huge parts of those runs and both were Lou trade acquisitions. Not to mention that Nelson and Lee were resigned by Lou.
True, but if he was willing to sign with Snow and Snow didn't sign him that's even more damning of Snow as a GM.
Okay.
But in actual reality and not hypotheticals, majority of the teams that were on deep playoff runs were acquired by Snow.
Five years since his departure, the team here is probably a wild card team with the worst farm system in the league. And the only real reason they are probably are a wild card team are because of Snow draft picks in Barzal, Pelech, Pulock, Nelson and Sorokin. Lou's drafts have gotten us basically just the 2018 first rounders and then zilch.
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What does this have to do with Snow failing to sign Sorokin?
Worse than that most years. There was a 7 year time period where they finished bottom five for 6 of the seasons. They only made the playoffs in 4 of the 12 years he was GM and won only 1 playoffs series.
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He also worked with a league minimum budget most of his years. Charles Wang roster budgets were equivalent of 2023 Arizona Coyotes.
But 2018-21 showed that his core was good if given the ability to spend on compliment pieces.
Rehabguy
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HE NEVER SAID THIS!
Everyone knew Sorokin wanted to play in the KHL. That's was known for a long time and why other GMs and pundits thought it was crazy for Snow to sign him at all. THIS WAS ONE OF SNOW'S greatest insights that put this organization in a great position for years to come. The insight that Sorokin would eventually sign with a NHL team so he made him OUR prospect. That along with his astute handling of the Griffin Reinhart situation to ultimately bring in Barzal. Talk about making lemonade out of lemons!
Revisionist at best. He didn't fail at anything in regards to Sorokin. He drafted him with the good insight that Sorokin like every other player who plays hockey would eventually want to sign onto an NHL team. Garth picking Sorokin was Garth at his best. THIS WAS WHAT HE WAS PHENOMENAL AT DOING, and THIS is one of if not the primary role of a good GM. To set a franchise in the right direction for the long term. The Isles roster or least what’s left of it is testament to that.
He was one of the most underrated GMS in the league. Actually what he did with this club pulling it out of the cellar was simply amazing with what he started with- a totally crap team with NOTHING in the farm system.
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I mean that's what the main discussion here is about.
But if you specifically want to talk about hypotheticals, I dunno what you want me to say. It's pointless talking about "if he was willing to sign with Snow."
Rehabguy
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Do you remember what the team looked like when Snow was put in charge???
It would take years for this team to have become competitive again and I said this back when he was hired as GM which I was fine with. It was slow drawn process but the results speak for themselves. Anything that was good about roster was all Garth Snow. I've not seen anything that Lou has done yet that has panned out and he gets completely dominated on the trade and contract signing side of things- always. Snow, as with any GM was not perfect in these regards but at least he tried to sign reasonable and responsible contracts he did a very good job at doing this. Look at the Tavares contract, Leddy, Boychuk and then slowly building the team through the draft JUST HE SAID HE WOULD when he was hired and the results are apparent in the roster we see today. The sad thing is the longer Lou is at helm the worse the team becomes. Toews, Leddy, Eberly, Beauvillier should still be on this team. Sure he gets us Pageau but all he did was create a logjam at center and now we are short 1st round picks and the farm system is looking pretty bleak. I do like the Fasching signing. But that's the only thing good Lou has done. Everything else has been crap starting with him firing the best coach in hockey and letting Tavares just walk.
Nice to know there is another voice of reason in this fanbase.
Rehabguy
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All that happened was Lou was riding the coattails of Snow's hard work. Other than that the team performed poorly the longer it had Lou at the helm to dismantle Snow's team. They got worse not better in the last 2 years. That started with his ridiculous decision to fire Trotz because he's an egomaniac.
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Snow is treated like politics here. The people that don't like him refuse to acknowledge anything he did well., while the people that like him exaggerate his performance.
I think Lou knew that Trotz was being courted behind the scenes to take over for Poile and didnt want a distracted head coach in 22-23 . It would have been an awkward year of endless questions to Barry whether or not he's getting extended or not .
Throttle
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You can play this game all day long. Tor roster is really Lou’s and dumbo did nothing for 5 years. Yzerman’s roster, yet he didn’t win anything, except his predecessor made the moves that moved the needle over the top and they won. Did Lombardi build LAK or did he make the moves for them to win?
It’s complicated and not linear, most GMs don’t see through beginning to end. Some are good in the beginning, some in the fine tuning, some just have luck too. Burke inherited a team in ANA, but had Neidermeyer land in his lap and Pronger’s
EDM drama worked in his favor too.
It’s not a Snow vs Lou thing. Bottom line is Lou has totally changed the actual perception and value of the franchise, 4/5 playoff seasons, 2 ECFs, etc.
If he craps the bed on the cap and prospects, yippie. The owners want to push forward and that’s what Lou is doing.
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