Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

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Let’s not forget the Pens just received a major Dubas overhaul and still may have a 100 point defenseman on the way. They made the playoffs 15 straight seasons before last year where they missed the cut by one point. I think they’ll be rejuvenated and hungry to get back in - I have them finishing above the Rangers personally

Last year's Pens were sunk by goaltending. Absolutely sunk. It was the sole reason they didn't win 4-6 more games last season.

Sure, Dubas has a shot at doing some really good stuff outside of the pressure bubble that is Toronto. Pittsburgh may be an ideal spot for him.

But an improvement on the goaltending front alone will have them back in the playoffs.
 
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I sort of agree - but I'm not that optimistic. I see a 50/50 shot at a top-3 finish for the simple reason that no team in the metro is strong at every facet of the game. What seems most likely to me is that either the Islanders or the Rangers join the Hurricanes + Devils in the top 3.

The team comes in with chemistry, a solid locker room, and battletestedness. It's built from the goaltender out.

Of course, we've been pointing this out for several years now.

What's scary to me is that we're not entering the season knowing what Barzal, Horvat, and Wahlstrom are going to do and mean for this team's offense. We can't just say, "Ok Barzal and Horvat are each good for 70 points, maybe more. Wahlstrom's giving us 25+ goals, even if it's an off year."

We optimally need that kind of production from them to be anywhere close to a non-wildcard PO spot.

But with no insurance that'll we'll have anything resembling an effective power play, there's simply too much potential for both Horvat and Barzal to have yeoman seasons statwise (with one ultimately playing on the wing) while Wahlstrom fails to be more than a 15-17 goal scorer. That's basically what he was off to last season.

Also up front, we're likely going to miss Parise's hustle more than some think and if Lee is down with Pageau, there's an almost unavoidable drop in his goal-scoring to expect from him.

I have no intent to be a debbie downer here. It's just the realistic approach my 35+ years of following this sport has engrained in me.

If the offense can maintain a strong spread-the-wealth character (with the Nelson line basically anchoring it) while Sorokin cuts down on the outings with 4-6 goals against and the defensive corps proves stifling more nights than not, there's no reason this team can't be top 5 in the conference. Enough pieces are there.

But if I had to point to just one aspect that simply MUST change vis-a-vis last season, it's the power play. This team needs to be middle of the pack in effectiveness. It has to turn the PP into an advantage rather than the black hole of hopelessness it was for long stretches last season.

My first suggestion to that end is to get Horvat in the slot for tips and redirections like he was in Vancouver while popping in PP goals left and right.
 
I wonder if they would look at Pius Suter if Parise indeed retires.

Obviously a move would have to happen, but that might already be a given.
 
Let’s not forget the Pens just received a major Dubas overhaul and still may have a 100 point defenseman on the way. They made the playoffs 15 straight seasons before last year where they missed the cut by one point. I think they’ll be rejuvenated and hungry to get back in - I have them finishing above the Rangers personally
Perhaps, but as long as they have Jarry as their #1 goalie I can’t see them finishing ahead of the Rags.

The Pens should be in the mix for 3rd in the Metro at best.
 
Let’s not forget the Pens just received a major Dubas overhaul and still may have a 100 point defenseman on the way. They made the playoffs 15 straight seasons before last year where they missed the cut by one point. I think they’ll be rejuvenated and hungry to get back in - I have them finishing above the Rangers personally
I am, to put it mildly, not an Erik Karlsson fan (though Mike Sullivan has done magical things with defensively suspect players in the past). Nonetheless, I'd expect a bigger net positive impact from Reilly Smith than (potentially) Erik Karlsson. If Karlsson is brought in to essentially replace a declining Kris Letang, I don't think it's an upgrade.

And as @MJF said, Jarry has been the weak link there for years. It's really something else that he hasn't been replaced.

But if I had to point to just one aspect that simply MUST change vis-a-vis last season, it's the power play. This team needs to be middle of the pack in effectiveness. It has to turn the PP into an advantage rather than the black hole of hopelessness it was for long stretches last season.

My first suggestion to that end is to get Horvat in the slot for tips and redirections like he was in Vancouver while popping in PP goals left and right.
Yep. And get Lee off PP1.
 
Last year's Pens were sunk by goaltending. Absolutely sunk. It was the sole reason they didn't win 4-6 more games last season.

Sure, Dubas has a shot at doing some really good stuff outside of the pressure bubble that is Toronto. Pittsburgh may be an ideal spot for him.

But an improvement on the goaltending front alone will have them back in the playoffs.
I don't discount their goaltending issues, but I've also read a lot of things saying the Pens' biggest problem last year was their bottom 6 forwards (especially 3rd line).
 
I think the pens will be a WC threat at best and that’s it. As far as I know they haven’t done anything to improve their goaltending, and Cindy and malkin are another year older.
 
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I wonder if they would look at Pius Suter if Parise indeed retires.

Obviously a move would have to happen, but that might already be a given.
I like Suter as a player. Probably an unpopular opinion, but I would look to move JGP for futures or prospects. Use the savings on a player like Suter and start accruing cap for possible flexibility for the TDL.

I truly believe the foundation to build a team is through the draft and at the same time I am not against to trading futures for an established player. The issue is Lou has done this is consecutive years for mostly not the right type of player.
 
Last year's Pens were sunk by goaltending. Absolutely sunk. It was the sole reason they didn't win 4-6 more games last season.

Sure, Dubas has a shot at doing some really good stuff outside of the pressure bubble that is Toronto. Pittsburgh may be an ideal spot for him.

But an improvement on the goaltending front alone will have them back in the playoffs.
Dubas traded picks like candy and has no prospects to speak of, all that 100% under his own actions as GM. Shanahan handed him a golden platter that Lou built and he worked his image for people to believe in his craptastic performance.

He’s just repeating the same magic trick in PIT.
 
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Perhaps, but as long as they have Jarry as their #1 goalie I can’t see them finishing ahead of the Rags.

The Pens should be in the mix for 3rd in the Metro at best.
Who was competing for Jarry’s services that PIT gave him that deal? Dubas is one of a kinda.
 
I think the pens will be a WC threat at best and that’s it. As far as I know they haven’t done anything to improve their goaltending, and Cindy and malkin are another year older.
Penguins have become our favorite team to feast on for the past few seasons. Its the Caps that give us trouble.
 
Dubas traded picks like candy and has no prospects to speak of, all that 100% under his own actions as GM. Shanahan handed him a golden platter that Lou built and he worked his image for people to believe in his craptastic performance.

He’s just repeating the same magic trick in PIT.
Yeah, I couldn’t agree more and I just don’t get how anyone can look at him as anything other than a creation of the Toronto media.
 
Bobrovsky has been insanely mediocre until this season and faltered in the final

Panarin has become a whipping boy for Rangers fans and a burden

Tavares much the same

Big UFA's dont help you out unless its Pietrangelo.
Just because they didn't win the cup doesn't mean they haven't greatly contributed. They have. Fans are not the judge lol.
 
We ain't gonna lose a single game this upcoming season, get it you dimwits.
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I have to disagree, both players have filed for arbitration and although I can see Frederic get a reward of 1.5 or 2 - Swayman will get 3- if not more, leaving Boston with less than 900k in cap space to get a C.
Looks like you called it and I was way off here, nice job on the predictions. 430k in space for Boston with a 22 man roster, though they could send down a dman and bring up 2 players on league min contracts and run a 23 man roster. But yeah, looks like they are in more cap trouble now than I thought.
 
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Just a midsummer reflection. First of all, I miss hockey. That aside, I want to believe this is a better team going into next year; however, the roster is essentially the same, the deficits the same. I'll remain optimistic with my NYI-colored prism.

Horvat better acclimated (convinced), Barzal healthy (convinced), Barzal develops (not convinced), Dobson develops (convinced), Whalstrom develops (modestly convinced), Lambert employs a more defensively structured system out of the gate (convinced), Lambert improves (modestly convinced), there's enough internal development from other parts (modestly convinced), Lou acquires a scoring winger (won't even go there), the parity in the league keeps many teams in the running (convinced).

There's reason for optimism. If a few things fall into place, like the aforementioned, and some health, they could vie for that 3rd spot.
 
Looks like you called it and I was way off here, nice job on the predictions. 430k in space for Boston with a 22 man roster, though they could send down a dman and bring up 2 players on league min contracts and run a 23 man roster. But yeah, looks like they are in more cap trouble now than I thought.
The cap situation they are in has definitely knocked them down a peg or too. IMO, I think they start the season with Zacha - Coyle - Frederic - Geekie as the C’s.

I think the Jets go for it and hope they resign Schiefele, so I don’t realistically believe he will be a target, especially since the Jets will be going for it this season.

Lindholm is a perfect for them - his cap hit is low and he would be great playing Pasta and Marchand. I don’t think the Bruins have pieces to get him before the deadline unless lithos at the TDL and The Flames are out of a playoff spot.

This definitely opens the door to teams like Ottawa and Buffalo take big leaps into that Atlantic.

As per the JGP and Debrusk proposal - it is just not happening. JGP is not the type of C they are looking for.
 
I wonder if they would look at Pius Suter if Parise indeed retires.

Obviously a move would have to happen, but that might already be a given.
I still believe Tatar would be the better fit here - he can play any side Lw or RW - can push Engvall to LW 3 or he can play with JGP and Wally.

I also wonder if he can be signed for 1m or 1.1.
 
I like Suter as a player. Probably an unpopular opinion, but I would look to move JGP for futures or prospects. Use the savings on a player like Suter and start accruing cap for possible flexibility for the TDL.

I truly believe the foundation to build a team is through the draft and at the same time I am not against to trading futures for an established player. The issue is Lou has done this is consecutive years for mostly not the right type of player.
I agree with this. Pius Suter is the type of guy that is undervalued by NHL teams, but is an analytic darling. I would do this as well. However, Pageau has an unreasonable amount of love on this board. I also don't know which team, of the 16 team NTC, would trade for his bloated contract. I cannot gauge his market value as most rosters are pretty much set at this point with very little cap wiggle room for most teams.

As per the JGP and Debrusk proposal - it is just not happening. JGP is not the type of C they are looking for.
Yes, the assumption is they are looking for a player with equal value. JGP alone is not getting you Debrusk.
 
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