Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[YearlyLottery]

Millionaires gonna millionaire

How dare people want to keep their money!

 

[duster19]

I think it’s funny to see how fans grasp onto to certain players as ‘untouchables.’

One can trade Sorokin, but that’s already established, he ain’t Roy, but a comparable could be, well, the Schneider trade for NJD 1st rounder (Horvat). Vancouver already had Loungo.

So, yippee, the Isles trade Sorokin, get a 1st rounder that helps in 2027 and sign a decent goalie such as Freddy for 2 years, then another guy like that another 2 years and so on.

I’m not really advocating for trading Sorokin but I could see if a team wanted to pay a ransom then it would be tempting. We need top end talent to compete. We dont have a budget to sign it. We don’t really have picks to get it. Lou has been able to find different goalies that have played well here. It’s not insane. Lou’s not trading Sorokin anyways.

 

[CupHolders]

Who cares about Winnipeg, or any other team, when it's Lou would need to decide to trade Barzal or Harvat?

He's not going to do either. Aside from the fact the NHL as a whole rarely, if ever, trades players in year 1-2 of an 8 year deal, Lou is insanely loyal and old-fashioned and would almost think he's insulting the player by dealing them (after just signing them within the past year).

This is year 5 of having Lou as GM and people are acting like he's all of a sudden going to do things differently than the previous 5, or previous 30+, of being an NHL GM. To many fans out here proposing this trade or that signing by Lou is akin to expecting to wake up and the sun not be bright...And that's before we even discuss the cap situation and lack of assets to deal.

Again and again it keeps coming down to this...



It's one thing to hope...It's another to let that hope blind you into denial of basic facts.

I care about Winnipeg. Because I find speculation on other team rosters and their potential moves interesting.

Regardless, my post was specifically countering the notion that certain players on the Islanders are unmovable due to other organizations not interested in acquiring their contracts. I gave an example of how that is not necessarily true.

For someone complaining the past few days about how others misinterpreted your desire to trade Sorokin… I don’t see why you would turn around and completely run my post in a different direction so casually.

Chevy needs to come out of this with players under long term contracts that are good players. He can’t get back guys with 2yrs left on their deal.

On the contracts, the NHLPA is more than fine with the long term deals on 2nd contracts - it’s forcing big deals on prime assets. Player movement is not the concern of the PA, ie trades and velocity of such.

With more long termed deals, all that is gonna happen is teams will be trading one termed deal for another or some combo thereof.

Most contending teams are going to have lots of locked in players.

To be clear, I was only providing my preference that contracts have some further limitations. Not that I actually think the NHLPA would allow it so easily.

 

[SI]

Detroit is the "hometown team" in ECK's post.

Whoever suggested Bailey for Nemeth, ARZ just bought out Nemeth so that is no longer an option.

That was me - I saw that - the other suggestion was a Bailey for Mrazek deal, but at this point it is looking more likely he is packaged with an asset - probably Chicago.

There is also the possibility that he is bought out. And if he is bought out then there is no Engvall signing and the Isles go with Holmstrom and Fasching rotating on the RW 3

 

[MarsTBOW]

Lou is probably gonna look for someone who fell out of the late 1st round "Value" as Belechick used to say....
Like he did with Raty
Another roll of the dice

 

[Glory Days]

Detroit is the "hometown team" in ECK's post.

Whoever suggested Bailey for Nemeth, ARZ just bought out Nemeth so that is no longer an option.

I don’t get Arizona doing buyouts. Aren’t they a cap floor team?

 

[Throttle]

I care about Winnipeg. Because I find speculation on other team rosters and their potential moves interesting.

Regardless, my post was specifically countering the notion that certain players on the Islanders are unmovable due to other organizations not interested in acquiring their contracts. I gave an example of how that is not necessarily true.

For someone complaining the past few days about how others misinterpreted your desire to trade Sorokin… I don’t see why you would turn around and completely run my post in a different direction so casually.


To be clear, I was only providing my preference that contracts have some further limitations. Not that I actually think the NHLPA would allow it so easily.

Just adding some color, that’s all.

And everyone should care about WPG like you mentioned. they have no choice but to make a bunch of moves for players that want out. They also don’t want picks for those guys, so it’s players moving for players- hopefully, some Isles go there…

 

[SI]

I don’t get Arizona doing buyouts. Aren’t they a cap floor team?

I think they recognize the cap restraints on most teams and they can take advantage of actually acquiring players who can still play at low costs, like how Seattle got Bjorkstrand for 2 mid-round picks.

It's like they have graduated from deals like acquiring injured players.

They could also be very active in the free agent market - I do not know who will sign with them since who knows where they will be in a couple of years.

For example, I could see Arizona trying to bring back Taylor Hall and use a mid-round pick or two to land him.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

If you're making $10M a year, 41 lax tax games could be the difference of getting yourself another luxury car or a boat versus sending it to Uncle Sam.

Or, keeping more to benefit your family and loved ones.

 

[Tres Peleches]

Or, keeping more to benefit your family and loved ones.

By getting them a luxury car or boat

 

[seafoam]

I think Lamoriello will actually try to get Karlsson without giving up Dobson and if he fails I can see him going after Klingberg.

 

[Osakahaus]

Lou is probably gonna look for someone who fell out of the late 1st round "Value" as Belechick used to say....
Like he did with Raty
Another roll of the dice

Thats what they have to do. Hockey drafts aren't even CLOSE to what football does

 

[Skip To My Lou]

Sad!

 

[Osakahaus]

Sad!

But they want to be competitive so they can't take on Bailey, they'll take on uhhhhh...

 

[Tahoeblue]

Thoughts on Ross "The Boss" for 1.1 for the next 3 years? Looking at the Isles cap, Lou has a number of deals that nickel and dime our cap and really add up. I know what he brings and that is useful in spots, but he never sees the ice. I know this forum had this debate when he was signed. Has any opinions changed? Thanks

 

[Skip To My Lou]

Thoughts on Ross "The Boss" for 1.1 for the next 3 years? Looking at the Isles cap, Lou has a number of deals that nickel and dime our cap and really add up. I know what he brings and that is useful in spots, but he never sees the ice. I know this forum had this debate when he was signed. Has any opinions changed? Thanks

It's a terrible deal. Paying him a million just to sit in the press box. I know it's not a lot of money in terms of the cap, but it's unnecessary. Good for him as he gets security, but I'll never understand why he had to be signed for a four year deal.

 

[Big L]

Sad!

There is truth in the reports NYI has no interest in NYI F Josh Bailey.

 

[NC 1972]

Thats what they have to do. Hockey drafts aren't even CLOSE to what football does

On that note when drafted hockey players are significantly younger than football players.
It's why they spend more time in junior and collage developing.

 

[CupHolders]

It's a terrible deal. Paying him a million just to sit in the press box. I know it's not a lot of money in terms of the cap, but it's unnecessary. Good for him as he gets security, but I'll never understand why he had to be signed for a four year deal.

Paying him that money for that length is not a problem. You can waive and demote him to the minors and that cap constraint goes away fully.

Isles reluctance to do the above action is what makes that deal a hinderance. But that’s by choice apparently.

 

[SI]

I hope there is a deal to be made to ship Josh somewhere.
The buyout window closes on June 30th, so Lou has 9 more days to make something happen.
Ideally, it happens by the draft. If not, then I think Josh gets bought out. At that point, I hope that even at 50% retained for a warm body to play in the ECHL is possible - at least that alleviates 1.2 cap hit in 2024-25.

If Isles send a 2nd rounder with Josh, then I don't know if Engvall is the player I'd want to use that cap space for. I would rather have someone like Barbashev or even Bertuzzi.

The cost of adding Engvall would now be a 2024 3rd and 2024 2nd - seems pretty rich.

 

[Throttle]

I think Lamoriello will actually try to get Karlsson without giving up Dobson and if he fails I can see him going after Klingberg.

Klingberg had a big fallout with Dallas over his ego on how much he should get paid. He’s lost a LOT of money bc of that. He’s probably in ‘make up’ mode trying to parse together deals to get back to that original offer - it ain’t gonna happen. He was offered $56M. He’s gonna be 31 and got $7M from Anaheim, he’s got $49M to go…he might get 4x6M for $24M, if lucky, but something tells me he chases another one year deal for offensive numbers, hope the cap rises, then gets paid some term.

In essence, Isles don’t have the space for him…

 

[SCMURRAY]

Thoughts on Ross "The Boss" for 1.1 for the next 3 years? Looking at the Isles cap, Lou has a number of deals that nickel and dime our cap and really add up. I know what he brings and that is useful in spots, but he never sees the ice. I know this forum had this debate when he was signed. Has any opinions changed? Thanks

Its time to wave the guy and use his money toward our top 6. His full cap can washed on waivers

I hope there is a deal to be made to ship Josh somewhere.
The buyout window closes on June 30th, so Lou has 9 more days to make something happen.
Ideally, it happens by the draft. If not, then I think Josh gets bought out. At that point, I hope that even at 50% retained for a warm body to play in the ECHL is possible - at least that alleviates 1.2 cap hit in 2024-25.

If Isles send a 2nd rounder with Josh, then I don't know if Engvall is the player I'd want to use that cap space for. I would rather have someone like Barbashev or even Bertuzzi.

The cost of adding Engvall would now be a 2024 3rd and 2024 2nd - seems pretty rich.

Briere has committed to a rebuild and willing to take on contracts for assets. Philly isnt all that far. Bailey wont need to relocate his family. Send him to Philly for a 24 2nd rounder and be done

 

[Seph]

Paying him that money for that length is not a problem. You can waive and demote him to the minors and that cap constraint goes away fully.

Isles reluctance to do the above action is what makes that deal a hinderance. But that’s by choice apparently.

Presumably it's because he's been a useful enough player to keep in the 23 man roster that it's been worth the 350k worth of caphit over a league min player in that spot, and the caphit hasn't really been a hindrance. If it became a hindrance or he ceased to be more useful than a league min player, they would send him down.

 

[CupHolders]

Presumably it's because he's been a useful enough player to keep in the 23 man roster that it's been worth the 350k worth of caphit over a league min player in that spot, and the caphit hasn't really been a hindrance. If it became a hindrance or he ceased to be more useful than a league min player, they would send him down.

Agree. I guess my wording was because I didn’t want to get into with anyone about his value. But I never understood the negative takes on these deals when they were signed.

Isles lock up a player AND still give themselves cap fluidity if they want or need the space.

Criticize management’s assessment of player value if you want. But the contract and term itself is just not an issue.

Its time to wave the guy and use his money toward our top 6. His full cap can washed on waivers

I expect he would be picked off waivers. Someone like Anaheim. At least hopefully it would be a west coast team.

 

[doublechili]

Presumably it's because he's been a useful enough player to keep in the 23 man roster that it's been worth the 350k worth of caphit over a league min player in that spot, and the caphit hasn't really been a hindrance. If it became a hindrance or he ceased to be more useful than a league min player, they would send him down.

Not to mention, if they waive Johnston they lose control over where he goes if he's claimed. Lou is old school enough that he'd probably rather not send him within the division or even conference. If they do deal him, I wonder if CHI would have any interest as protection for Bedard (no, not same line!)?