Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[Chapin Landvogt]

Already posted above...

 

[IslesNorway]

Chevy needs to come out of this with players under long term contracts that are good players. He can’t get back guys with 2yrs left on their deal.

On the contracts, the NHLPA is more than fine with the long term deals on 2nd contracts - it’s forcing big deals on prime assets. Player movement is not the concern of the PA, ie trades and velocity of such.

With more long termed deals, all that is gonna happen is teams will be trading one termed deal for another or some combo thereof.

Most contending teams are going to have lots of locked in players.

The PA are obviously happy with term, because it benefits their clients, but I have heard before that it is a cause of concern to the NHL because trades generate interest and media coverage. A bunch of trades at the deadline and draft is fine, but when there are next to no in season trading due to cap constraints it's a bad sign. The NHLPA will not take too kindly to players signed to 8 year deals and then shipped off elsewhere shortly thereafter, so it's a double edged sword.

GMs are too easily giving NMCs and NTCs to players, so in the future this is something they should be looking at in the next CBA.

 

[SCMURRAY]

 

[leeroggy]

Who'll take on their deals?? Once you sign somebody to 8 year deals you are basically stuck with them no matter how good or bad they are or become. This is the main problem in hockey today. Too many players get signed to long term deals making them nigh on impossible to move. GMs seem to panic once they near RFA or UFA status and hand out deals they know will come to hurt the team in the future.

If the NHL wants to encourage more trades then each team should only be allowed X number of contracts longer than 4 years.

That's not an NHL ruling item, it's part of the collective bargaining agreement

 

[Throttle]

The PA are obviously happy with term, because it benefits their clients, but I have heard before that it is a cause of concern to the NHL because trades generate interest and media coverage. A bunch of trades at the deadline and draft is fine, but when there are next to no in season trading due to cap constraints it's a bad sign. The NHLPA will not take too kindly to players signed to 8 year deals and then shipped off elsewhere shortly thereafter, so it's a double edged sword.

GMs are too easily giving NMCs and NTCs to players, so in the future this is something they should be looking at in the next CBA.

Players are just getting their money, this gen of players has no issues with telling a team they no longer want to play for them. So, player gets paid either way, team has to accommodate for it.

 

[Lame Lambert]

Lou is salivating

 

[xECK29x]

Lou is salivating

I don’t understand why this is even allowed, so stupid that all the contracts are pre negotiated now.

 

[periferal]

Actually, Winnipeg would be one of the places that would be amenable to taking on Barzal and/or Horvat. They have stated that they want to compete, yet they are facing a number of players including their top two centers refusing to re-sign.

Who cares about Winnipeg, or any other team, when it's Lou would need to decide to trade Barzal or Harvat?

He's not going to do either. Aside from the fact the NHL as a whole rarely, if ever, trades players in year 1-2 of an 8 year deal, Lou is insanely loyal and old-fashioned and would almost think he's insulting the player by dealing them (after just signing them within the past year).

This is year 5 of having Lou as GM and people are acting like he's all of a sudden going to do things differently than the previous 5, or previous 30+, of being an NHL GM. To many fans out here proposing this trade or that signing by Lou is akin to expecting to wake up and the sun not be bright...And that's before we even discuss the cap situation and lack of assets to deal.

Again and again it keeps coming down to this...

It's fun coming up with trade ideas, and there are some good ones here. However, I'll be surprised if Lou does anything more than re-sign UFAs, make Bailey go away, and maybe do one or two smaller housekeeping/cap moves. One can hope though....

It's one thing to hope...It's another to let that hope blind you into denial of basic facts.

 

[doublechili]

Trying to get creative and wondering - how bad is Nikita Zaitsev? He's entering the last year of his contract with a cap hit and actual $$ owed of $4.5M. Would CHI trade him straight up for Bailey (who has a cap hit that's $500k higher but is owed $1M less actual $$)? Let Mayfield walk. Assuming no other moves, the bottom pair is a rotation of Aho/Bolduc/Zaitsev/AHL callups. Lou signed Zaitsev to his contract. Zaitsev and Sorokin were teammates for a year and a half with CSKA. Bailey goes away for "free" (and we gain $500k cap space in the exchange). Zaitsev makes maybe a bit more than Mayfield would cost this upcoming season so that's close to a cap wash (but without the multiple following years). Or is Zaitsev really bad?

 

[Throttle]

Trying to get creative and wondering - how bad is Nikita Zaitsev? He's entering the last year of his contract with a cap hit and actual $$ owed of $4.5M. Would CHI trade him straight up for Bailey (who has a cap hit that's $500k higher but is owed $1M less actual $$)? Let Mayfield walk. Assuming no other moves, the bottom pair is a rotation of Aho/Bolduc/Zaitsev/AHL callups. Lou signed Zaitsev to his contract. Zaitsev and Sorokin were teammates for a year and a half with CSKA. Bailey goes away for "free" (and we gain $500k cap space in the exchange). Zaitsev makes maybe a bit more than Mayfield would cost this upcoming season so that's close to a cap wash (but without the multiple following years). Or is Zaitsev really bad?

He’s decent, got torched in TOR, a number of former players have stated that he had difficulties with the transition to NA and it impacted his game.

Still think Mayfield gets a deal done with Isles.

Maybe creatively, Pettersen has hinted he wants to win, Vancouver is nowhere near that. Isles need a winger and need to dump a center. Hmm…

 

[doublechili]

It's one thing to hope...It's another to let that hope blind you into denial of basic facts.

I hope by "you", you didn't mean me!

 

[doublechili]

He’s decent, got torched in TOR, a number of former players have stated that he had difficulties with the transition to NA and it impacted his game.

Still think Mayfield gets a deal done with Isles.

Maybe creatively, Pettersen has hinted he wants to win, Vancouver is nowhere near that. Isles need a winger and need to dump a center. Hmm…

I agree that the likelihood is that Mayfield re-signs, but Zaitsev seems like a way to make Bailey disappear without losing any picks or having a buyout mess with the cap. And maybe make Sorokin happier.

I suggested a Barzal-Pettersson swap a while back, but even with "VAN points inflation" Pettersson's 102 points messed with that and probably means the Isles would have to add (and/or take back Myers in the deal as the Mayfield replacement). But that doesn't cure Bailey-itis.

 

[doublechili]

Rumors of some of Debrincat's preferred list of teams: "Garrioch reports DeBrincat's list is believed to include the Dallas Stars, Nashville Predators, Florida Panthers, Vegas Golden Knights and the Detroit Red Wings."

Off-Season Watch: Who's on Ottawa Senators RFA Alex DeBrincat's preferred trade list? | TSN

Ahead of the NHL Draft on June 28-29 and the opening of free agency on July 1, TSN.ca keeps you up to date with all the latest rumours and speculation from around the NHL beat.

www.tsn.ca

 

[xECK29x]

Rumors of some of Debrincat's preferred list of teams: "Garrioch reports DeBrincat's list is believed to include the Dallas Stars, Nashville Predators, Florida Panthers, Vegas Golden Knights and the Detroit Red Wings."

Off-Season Watch: Who's on Ottawa Senators RFA Alex DeBrincat's preferred trade list? | TSN

Ahead of the NHL Draft on June 28-29 and the opening of free agency on July 1, TSN.ca keeps you up to date with all the latest rumours and speculation from around the NHL beat.

www.tsn.ca

Teams with lax tax laws + hometown team.

 

[doublechili]

Teams with lax tax laws

Ugh, really? If income tax avoidance is actually his primary consideration, then who would even want him?

 

[xECK29x]

Ugh, really? If income tax avoidance is actually his primary consideration, then who would even want him?

Millionaires gonna millionaire

 

[IslesNorway]

Teams with lax tax laws + hometown team.

And plenty of sunshine too (except Detroit, that is)

 

[periferal]

I hope by "you", you didn't mean me!

How could it be you...? You're the one who made the post I agreed with most.

 

[Throttle]

Rumors of some of Debrincat's preferred list of teams: "Garrioch reports DeBrincat's list is believed to include the Dallas Stars, Nashville Predators, Florida Panthers, Vegas Golden Knights and the Detroit Red Wings."

Off-Season Watch: Who's on Ottawa Senators RFA Alex DeBrincat's preferred trade list? | TSN

Ahead of the NHL Draft on June 28-29 and the opening of free agency on July 1, TSN.ca keeps you up to date with all the latest rumours and speculation from around the NHL beat.

www.tsn.ca

So, trade someone for me, otherwise, DET will do…

Teams with lax tax laws + hometown team.

Players are taxed on where they play the games, so 41 dates are ‘lax’ per se in a state advantaged tax system. The difference is not that large in the end. He seems to be forcing a trade to DET since those other teams have to move players/cap out to accommodate him. He’s not that special.

 

[Throttle]

I agree that the likelihood is that Mayfield re-signs, but Zaitsev seems like a way to make Bailey disappear without losing any picks or having a buyout mess with the cap. And maybe make Sorokin happier.

I suggested a Barzal-Pettersson swap a while back, but even with "VAN points inflation" Pettersson's 102 points messed with that and probably means the Isles would have to add (and/or take back Myers in the deal as the Mayfield replacement). But that doesn't cure Bailey-itis.

If he doesn’t want to resign, then it’s the CAL mode of do the best you can.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Ugh, really? If income tax avoidance is actually his primary consideration, then who would even want him?

It's a concern for lots of players.

 

[leeroggy]

Teams with lax tax laws + hometown team.

I don't think Detroit qualifies for lax tax laws . . .

Ugh, really? If income tax avoidance is actually his primary consideration, then who would even want him?

Every professional athlete with a big contract considers that these days. Remember they have to pay MANY state and local income taxes to all the jurisdictions they play in, home AND road games

 

[seafoam]

I don't think Detroit qualifies for lax tax laws . . .


Every professional athlete with a big contract considers that these days. Remember they have to pay MANY state and local income taxes to all the jurisdictions they play in, home AND road games

Detroit is the "hometown team" in ECK's post.

Whoever suggested Bailey for Nemeth, ARZ just bought out Nemeth so that is no longer an option.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

So, trade someone for me, otherwise, DET will do…


Players are taxed on where they play the games, so 41 dates are ‘lax’ per se in a state advantaged tax system. The difference is not that large in the end. He seems to be forcing a trade to DET since those other teams have to move players/cap out to accommodate him. He’s not that special.

If you're making $10M a year, 41 lax tax games could be the difference of getting yourself another luxury car or a boat versus sending it to Uncle Sam.

 

[doublechili]

It's a concern for lots of players.

Every professional athlete with a big contract considers that these days. Remember they have to pay MANY state and local income taxes to all the jurisdictions they play in, home AND road games

I don't doubt it and don't mean to discount it (or be hypocritical since I'd probably consider it too). It just seems like bad form if those teams are truly the only ones on his list + his hometown. Of course it is just a rumor so who knows....