Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[gordie43]

Just looking at these four, it’s wild the difference in talent VGK acquired with those firsts/former first rounders as opposed the the 4 firsts the islanders have moved in the Lou era.

VGK: Barbashev, Eichel, Paccioretty, Stone

NYI: Pageau, Palmieri, Romanov, Horvat

We need to stop moving firsts for just above average players. I think Horvat was a good start.

Unfortunately holmstrom, bellows and beauvillier didn’t seem to have a much value. Seems the bone to pick would be with more the scouting then the assets?

Also…players IE stone requesting a specific team to be delt to played a major role in a specific return. Would love it if a superstar demanded a trade to isles.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Unfortunately holmstrom, bellows and beauvillier didn’t seem to have a much value. Seems the bone to pick would be with more the scouting then the assets?

Also…players IE stone requesting a specific team to be delt to played a major role in a specific return. Would love it if a superstar demanded a trade to isles.

Great post. The Islanders did not have a prospect the level of Tage Thompson or Brannstrom. This could easily be blamed on Lamoriello though.

Looking back should they have traded Dobson + 1st + for Stone IF he was willing to come? Would that have won them a Cup? It possibly could have. Should they have traded major assets for Jack Eichel coming off of a major injury?

The reason they were able to pull Horvat is because he was willing to come combined with Lou drafted a blue chip prospect in Raty.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

If I remember right it was Beau and a first at the time if not more but there is the Lou thing of wanting to get an extension done. I think the merit of Stone willing to sign in Vegas is big because even Dorion on the Cam and Strick podcast said that was his regret, he wanted to sign Stone but Melnyk wasn't gonna do it and their trade options were limited given Stone's selectiveness on who he'd sign with. Dorion wasn't happy with the package.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Great post. The Islanders did not have a prospect the level of Tage Thompson or Brannstrom. This could easily be blamed on Lamoriello though.

How about you blame it on Garth Snow, the GM who traded the Brannstrom pick for nothing.

 

[LeapOnOver]

How about you blame it on Garth Snow, the GM who traded the Brannstrom pick for nothing.

I thought Brannstrom sucked. Are people saying he's good again? Does that mean Noah Dobson is elite?

And then can we thank Snow for trading nothing for Beau and Barzal? Garth Snow turned a failed prospect into Barzal and 2/3 of Horvat, lol.

 

[YearlyLottery]

How about you blame it on Garth Snow, the GM who traded the Brannstrom pick for nothing.

I should correct myself Tage Thompson was in the Ryan O Rielly trade. That being said Snow made a dumb trade with Vegas and the biggest mistake this organization made was not trading Tavares. That being said this was definitely more than just a Garth Snow decision.

 

[leeroggy]

MSN

I think all the Bellows supporters can finally move on . . . if the FLYERS aren't qualifying you, you proved nothing.

 

[MikeyMike01]

MSN

I think all the Bellows supporters can finally move on . . . if the FLYERS aren't qualifying you, you proved nothing.

It was already settled when he was waived a second time and no one claimed him

 

[Seph]

How about you blame it on Garth Snow, the GM who traded the Brannstrom pick for nothing.

We could but what does it matter? Stone told the Isles he wasn't going to extend with them, and it didn't make sense for the Isles to trade significant assets for a pure rental that year.

Whether or not the Isles could have beaten Vegas' offer seems pretty pointless to debate when it never made sense for the Isles to even try to beat Vegas' offer.

 

[SRBisles]

Debrincat and Ottawa heading to arbitration. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Ottawa will be looking for futures for him. They’re at the point in their rebuild where they need to start pushing towards the playoffs.

Sens fans seem to really like the idea of Pageau going back to Ottawa. I wonder if Lou could make something around Pageau+ for Debrincat work.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Debrincat and Ottawa heading to arbitration. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Ottawa will be looking for futures for him. They’re at the point in their rebuild where they need to start pushing towards the playoffs.

Sens fans seem to really like the idea of Pageau going back to Ottawa. I wonder if Lou could make something around Pageau+ for Debrincat work.

I do not see how Pageau can possibly be the main piece going back to Ottawa. He is a shell of his former self currently. I would think Islanders would need to add something closer in value to the 7th overall pick that Ottawa dealt for this guy. I am unsure what the Islanders have the equate to that value though.

Wahlstrom + 1st next year + Pageau for DeBrincat? I am not sure that would be enough with the injury Wahlstrom is coming off of.

 

[12Dog]

I thought Brannstrom sucked. Are people saying he's good again? Does that mean Noah Dobson is elite?

And then can we thank Snow for trading nothing for Beau and Barzal? Garth Snow turned a failed prospect into Barzal and 2/3 of Horvat, lol.

Snow drafted the failed prospect
Thank God he was lucky to find a patsy to pawn him off on

 

[SI]

Debrincat and Ottawa heading to arbitration. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Ottawa will be looking for futures for him. They’re at the point in their rebuild where they need to start pushing towards the playoffs.

Sens fans seem to really like the idea of Pageau going back to Ottawa. I wonder if Lou could make something around Pageau+ for Debrincat work.

They will get a better deal than that for DeBrincat. And with Stutzle, Norris, & Pinto. They don’t need Pageau.

 

[CupHolders]

MSN

I think all the Bellows supporters can finally move on . . . if the FLYERS aren't qualifying you, you proved nothing.

Good luck with that. I still see an occasional post from a particular poster on the mainboards about how Trotz and Lou ruined Ho Sang.

Completely ignoring the fact that Ho Sang is essentially no different now in his career as he was in junior. Basically I’m saying his time on the Isles wasn’t impactful one way or another.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

MSN

I think all the Bellows supporters can finally move on . . . if the FLYERS aren't qualifying you, you proved nothing.

It's a shame, always thought if Bellows improved his skating, he'd be an exceptional player. Had all the tools, just not one of the more important ones.

Not getting qualified by the Flyers is a horrible look. He's probably destined for the AHL/Europe for the rest of his career.

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Good luck with that. I still see an occasional post from a particular poster on the mainboards about how Trotz and Lou ruined Ho Sang.

Completely ignoring the fact that Ho Sang is essentially no different now in his career as he was in junior. Basically I’m saying his time on the Isles wasn’t impactful one way or another.

HO SANG

 

[Glory Days]

It's a shame, always thought if Bellows improved his skating, he'd be an exceptional player. Had all the tools, just not one of the more important ones.

Not getting qualified by the Flyers is a horrible look. He's probably destined for the AHL/Europe for the rest of his career.

I wonder if guys like Bellows and MDC even tried to improve their skating. Neither of Lee or pajama boy were very good skaters when they joined the league. Both improved in their early years. Bellows was never going to be fast but why no improvement? Is it possible that some players can’t improve at all?

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

I wonder if guys like Bellows and MDC even tried to improve their skating. Neither of Lee or pajama boy were very good skaters when they joined the league. Both improved in their early years. Bellows was never going to be fast but why no improvement? Is it possible that some players can’t improve at all?

100%, there are guys that hit just their ceilings. As fringe NHL players, I would expect they did every possible thing to advance their deficiencies.

Ultimately, they either didn't try to improve themselves far enough, or their physical abilities couldn't get there.

If it was the former, I have no sympathy for them not panning out.
If it was the latter, I feel bad for them. No matter how hard they did/could have tried, they were just never going to make it.

 

[Osakahaus]

MSN

I think all the Bellows supporters can finally move on . . . if the FLYERS aren't qualifying you, you proved nothing.

Bellows was always a bad pick

 

[Osakahaus]

Debrincat and Ottawa heading to arbitration. I could be wrong, but I don’t think Ottawa will be looking for futures for him. They’re at the point in their rebuild where they need to start pushing towards the playoffs.

Sens fans seem to really like the idea of Pageau going back to Ottawa. I wonder if Lou could make something around Pageau+ for Debrincat work.

That would be absolutely horrendous management by the Senators, So I would arguably do a trade for that.

 

[JJ18Sniper]

Jesper Bratt 8x7.875 with the Devils. I'd bet his playoff performance cost him a few bucks.

 

[Osakahaus]

Jesper Bratt 8x7.875 with the Devils. I'd bet his playoff performance cost him a few bucks.

Still pretty good considering that the cap will go up next season (GOD WILLING), and that the Devils still have a slew of other RFA's to sign (Meier and Sharangovich included)

 

[doublechili]

Still pretty good considering that the cap will go up next season (GOD WILLING), and that the Devils still have a slew of other RFA's to sign (Meier and Sharangovich included)

It will be interesting to see what decisions the Devs make over the next few years (or weeks) with their roster. Some of those RFAs might need to go bye bye, maybe even soon. They have to consider that Mercer is probably going to be due a good sized contract next summer, and Luke Hughes the year after that. It's a good problem, but still something to be worked out.

 

[Top Corner]

I should correct myself Tage Thompson was in the Ryan O Rielly trade. That being said Snow made a dumb trade with Vegas and the biggest mistake this organization made was not trading Tavares. That being said this was definitely more than just a Garth Snow decision.

I think I had mentioned some time ago, my connection to the hockey world had said that ownership took over the negotiations with Tavares in an attempt to make him the face of the Isles for years to come and that Garth Snow was completely out of it. I think they had probably made the decision to move on from Snow at that time anyway. It Certainly turned out to be a huge blunder on ownerships side not to move him prior to deadline if not signed.

 

[WangMustGo]

They will get a better deal than that for DeBrincat. And with Stutzle, Norris, & Pinto. They don’t need Pageau.

I disagree. I think Pageau plus say a protected 2024 first may get it done. Would give Ottawa some capspace, improves their PK and faceoffs. It also gives them extra capspace to work with. I dont think a ton of teams will be in on DeBrincat. He is going to command a lot of money and will pretty much have his say of where he wants to go.