Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California
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leeroggy
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Eric Dobson of Fleming Island won an NCAA title at Notre Dame on Memorial Day, have FAITH my friend!
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I don't owe you anything.
I recognized his statistics and posited potential reasons for them. You charged me with listening to Sabres fans, which I don't know anything about.
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Vegas and Florida both show that keeping a core in tact is a bunch of bullshit. Guys need to be made uncomfortable and the best moves need to be made for this team.
Yes I would be open to trading Barzal before his NTC kicks in if they get a solid return back that can help the team now. Do whatever it takes to get PLD from WPG.
Yes I would be open to trading Barzal before his NTC kicks in if they get a solid return back that can help the team now. Do whatever it takes to get PLD from WPG.
I've said this in the past. Does Lou believe in his team because he's forced to because he painted himself into a corner by overpaying on most of his contracts making many of them unmovable without sweeteners that he doesn't have, or does he legitimately believe in the guys he signed?
I think it's mostly the former and a little bit of the latter.
periferal
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Actually what they further confirmed is you need top-end talent to win....And that talent doesn't need to be in goal.
leeroggy
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Pardon me BIG MAN . . . I'll remember to genuflect next time!
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Can play this game all day. I am stunned we are at the point where we are saying "WE NEED ELITE TALENT! NOT AT GOALIE!" If Lou trades Sorokin this offseason for prospects and draft picks 95% of this board is going to flip. The only two reasons to trade Sorokin are the following:
1.) he will not sign
2.) he wants such an enormous contract it does not make sense
Tampa had Vasilevsky, Kings had Quick, Caps had Holtby, Pens had MAF, Wings had Osgood, etc.
It is absolutely ridiculous to sit here and continue to say this team is too old, too slow, and not good and then I see many of you say TRADE SOROKIN, TRADE DOBSON, TRADE EVERYONE.
This team is going to go through growing pains if they get younger.
Throttle
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Did you see any team in the conference finals and thereafter play Barzal-stupid hockey? Nope, you saw them shoot from the point ON NET, snipe, and play around the net, down low.
Glory Days
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Interesting in that Vegas didn’t have a single player in the top 50 scoring leaders during the regular season.
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I think Vegas built their team much like Lou aspires to - balanced scoring, roll lines, sound defensively. Only Vegas did it better.
As opposed to what this team is going through now? A core that's been together too long and brings too little to the battle.
Thats only because Eichel and Stone missed alot of time. They are both excellent forwards. That teams has a fantastic balance of top end skill (Eichel, Stone, Pietrangelo) and depth.
Barzal isnt the problem. The problem is spending a ton of capspace on JGP/Lee/Bailey/Palms. I dont see how trading Barzal improves the skill of this team, and would only make this team slower.
It would depend on the return.
I'm still not sure Barzal is the solution either. He is a very difficult player to find a compliment for. Barzal must commit (how many years have we been saying this smh) to playing more of a north-south game and shoot off the rush. His shot in that situation is his most potent weapon.
gordie43
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Vegas also had a lot more capital to make deals. Drafted a solid core during expansion.
Five of their first round picks have been traded to other organizations(dean, Krebs Suzuki, brannestrom, glass).
They also had a lot of cap room to work with to be able to sign guys like Pietrangelo.
They had a unique situation which is very hard to duplicate
SRBisles
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Just looking at these four, it’s wild the difference in talent VGK acquired with those firsts/former first rounders as opposed the the 4 firsts the islanders have moved in the Lou era.
VGK: Barbashev, Eichel, Paccioretty, Stone
NYI: Pageau, Palmieri, Romanov, Horvat
We need to stop moving firsts for just above average players. I think Horvat was a good start.
And that is what it would take, those who think GM's across the league are lining up to collect our trash for prized picks and young talent are delusional.
No I think the discussion was more like if Sorokin gives the NYI the same treatment pajama boy did you must trade him. I haven't seen anyone advocating trading him otherwise.
doublechili
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This isn't a COL (multiple top 10 picks) situation, however. Eichel is an elite talent, but he was acquired in a trade because his future was in doubt with that experimental neck surgery (that BUF wouldn't allow) so that was an odd situation. Pietrangelo was signed as a UFA. Stone was basically Horvat when he was acquired (traded futures to get a 60+ point 27 year old with intangibles then signed him for an immediate 8 year extension). Shea Theodore was an expansion draft arrangement trade. Karlsson and Marchessault were both taken in the expansion draft.
More importantly, VGK doesn't come across as a collection of stars. They're strong down the middle, they have a big D, and they play a disciplined style. And yeah, they have plenty of talent to execute offensively.
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I agree with you. The growing pains are fine but Dobson for example would make very little sense to trade unless we get a super similar player in return.
Of course. Perif made it seem like because Vegas did not have a star goalie the Isles should just get rid of Sorokin.
PK Cronin
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I'm a fan of building from the net out but the recent trend in the NHL is that you do not have to have a Vezina caliber goalie to win the cup.
Hill, Kuemper, Binnington, Holtby (at the downturn of his career), Murray...even Crawford wasn't phenomenal. Vasilevskiy is the only recent winner who is consistently in the top 5 of goaltenders. Of course Tampa Bay won two and went to three straight finals with him so there's that.
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Agreed but I think this is such a copycat issue with the league in general. Remember when the Kings won the Cups? All of a sudden everyone wanted these big bodied players who could barely skate. This was then flipped around at some point when everyone only focused on skating.
Now after Vegas has won the Cup we are going to see size play a bigger role. You can't win with an elite goalie until you can. Then everyone will try to do it.
PK Cronin
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I agree, 100%. Pick a direction, stick to it. Changing horses mid-stream to copy what someone else had success with is a recipe for staying stuck behind those teams.
doublechili
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That's correct about Vailevskiy and the consistent success. Some of those other teams were situations where a guy played above his head for a month or two, or played within a system that allowed for a goalie to succeed. All things being equal, if you want to contend you're better off having a top goalie.
mm11
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I'm a firm believer a strong goalie helps the probably of him getting hot in the spring for a deep run. Been at this grand ole game since the late 70's and would love to see another run by the orange white and blue. For the young guy's sake. Ok, back to the summer fun. See you all draft time. Get r done Sweet Lou!
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