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Doshell Propivo

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What do we mean by the term "withstand a rebuild?" Will the team move/fold/get sold if we rebuild? Of course not. So in that sense, yes, we can "withstand" a rebuild. But it would come at a cost. Mainly PR and attendance issues. With absolutely NO guarantee that after the rebuild (5, 10 years?) we'd have any more success than what we just experienced the last 5 years. And the potential of near-future success the team currently has.

I agree with those who think a full rebuild at this point is too premature. We have some excellent pieces in place and should be able to ice a competitive team for a few more years.
 

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The silence is deafening - I am not sure whose head is on the chopping block, but no address from the GM and Head coach is certainly disconcerting.

Oh yeah - Something is going on. Usually Lou/the Isles are "library quiet," but they've downshifted to "vacuum of space" silent.

I honestly hope there's some sort of change at this point...Because if Lou just shows up at the draft as if it's business as usual I'll really start to wonder about him/Malkin and how they view treating the fans that pay all their salaries.


I am not sure I agree if this fan base can withstand another rebuild right now.

Huh? *Another* rebuild? You mean vs the one that started 15 years ago?

And what are you suggesting...? That if Lou was replaced and the new GM started to do a rebuild immediately that Isles fans would leave in droves?

You just said a few posts up that, "In 2025, if the team does what you say it does, then Nelson and Palmieri will both be free agents that off-season. Lee and Pageau with 1 year left on their deals. They can sell off then and build up draft capital."

A rebuild now vs 2 years from now makes no difference to the fanbase other than, if done right, we'll be competing again in the future at least 2 years sooner.

Lou is simply waiting for Dubas to become available to announce his move upstairs :sarcasm:


This is both equally funny and scary.
 

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I think what Management and Lou are doing to the fan base is horrible! How do you not address the media yet??? We were eliminated 10 days ago...To me, this show just the lack of respect for us fans. SAY SOMETHING f*** FACE!!
 

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I think what Management and Lou are doing to the fan base is horrible! How do you not address the media yet??? We were eliminated 10 days ago...To me, this show just the lack of respect for us fans. SAY SOMETHING f*** FACE!!
Yeah this does bother me a bit. I know we are fans, but we are also ticket buyers who would like to have an idea what we may or not be investing time and money into next season.

I don’t need specifics but give us some idea what the plan is, even if it’s to run it back.
 

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Tuesday is Lou's Day, expect something...

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If Lou decides on the day to make the announcement, that means Lambert is gone and Lou stays.

If someone else makes the decision, that means house-cleaning. ;)

The amount of backtracking everyone would do if Lou hired Dubas to be GM would be hilarious.
I just want to say in advance, I actually think Dubas made some good moves this year and maybe is starting to get it. And if Lou stayed on as El Presidente, I think Dubas would be a decent counter-balance. There, backtracking complete.
 
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I'll just throw out there, if some team wants to hire Q as coach, I doubt they'd announce it and then say "but the league has to decide if he can come back". I suspect that the league would be presented with a scenario where a team wanted to hire Q, and they would make a decision before anything was announced.
 
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Oh yeah - Something is going on. Usually Lou/the Isles are "library quiet," but they've downshifted to "vacuum of space" silent.

I honestly hope there's some sort of change at this point...Because if Lou just shows up at the draft as if it's business as usual I'll really start to wonder about him/Malkin and how they view treating the fans that pay all their salaries.




Huh? *Another* rebuild? You mean vs the one that started 15 years ago?

And what are you suggesting...? That if Lou was replaced and the new GM started to do a rebuild immediately that Isles fans would leave in droves?

You just said a few posts up that, "In 2025, if the team does what you say it does, then Nelson and Palmieri will both be free agents that off-season. Lee and Pageau with 1 year left on their deals. They can sell off then and build up draft capital."

A rebuild now vs 2 years from now makes no difference to the fanbase other than, if done right, we'll be competing again in the future at least 2 years sooner.




This is both equally funny and scary.
The one that started 15 years ago - that was also a protracted rebuild that lasted over a decade - yeah that one that - that also followed 10 years of the darkest time in Islander history. For some of us, it feels all too close, since it feels like we just completed a rebuild NOT started one. Yeah, IMO, I do not believe that is a smart move. It is preemptive and not sound from an on-ice perspective or a business perspective.

2 years sooner, huh - we also run the risk of another protracted rebuild - look at the Sabres, look at the Oilers... rebuilds are not a linear thing... there is no guarantee.

The difference between now and then is - moving those contracts when the CAP is way higher AND their term is less, those contracts age out, the DRAFT is way stronger, and you give this team and fanbase a chance with what is there.

And there is a lot here to feel positive about, like having one of the top goalies in the league.

f*** it - GO ALL IN LOU!
 

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A trade involving Sorokin doesn't take place with the current GM.

Just want to put that out there, for better or worse.

I do agree with you about how precarious the situation is with a window of competition that doesn't really appear to be there and that Winnipeg and Nashville are in a similar boat on that front.

As much as it is uninpiring for some, the current GM will be busier this summer figuring out the following, in no particular order:
- How is Bailey buried or gotten rid of nicely in a manner that doesn't cost anything but money?
- How do we find the right role and more ice time for Holmstrom and a returning Wahlstrom while still having the contracts of Clutterbuck, Martin, and Johnston as part of the equation?
- Do you invest in re-upping Mayfield or replace him for cheaper on the UFA market with righty Dman who has a more mobile, puck-moving game?
- Do you manage to re-sign Engvall for some decent change or do existing contracts preclude you from doing so?
- Can you keep Parise in the fold in some manner?
- How much is Varlamov part of the family as a back-up or does this position have to be made use of to linder the cap hit moving forward? Might it even be the way in which you dispose of Bailey?
- Can the Aho/Bolduc/Salo grouping be upgraded on via free agency or the trading of one or more of these players?

Notice, I'm not even mentioning any moves behind the bench, which, uh, is a huge question moving forward.

I just don't think we see Lou removing Lambert. Lambert doesn't go unless a new GM comes in and Lou is out entirely (i.e. isn't still president of hockey operations).

Also, I'm not even going into the moving of pieces like Pageau, Palmieri, Cizikas, etc. If Lou has signed these guys, much less traded for and then signed these guys, I'm not seeing him move any while he's the GM.
THE CAP
I believe the first shoe to drop will be what the CAP # for next year will be. Most are assuming the player's debt will not be paid off by the end of this season, so 1 M increase is the most likely. In the event that the debt is paid off, then the Cap can rise to almost 88m. There is the outside chance that the players Association can meet with the league and make an agreement to increase the CAP even if the debt is not fully paid - the players will have to concede on something, but it will not be the escrow.

Bailey
I believe Bailey had played his last game as an Islander. How do they part ways? Simplest can be attaching an asset, like a 2nd rounder in 2024 and trading him to a team like Arizona or Chicago. A buyout still carries a 2.66 CAP hit for this season and 1M the following. Receiving a bad contract in return, like Mrazek or Murray or Nemeth, who all make more actual dollars than Bailey, but have a slightly less cap hit. These contracts carry a lower cap hit when bought out and there is no emotional baggage to carry if you send these guys to Bridgeport for the season. *The final creative way is to actually go for a player with a high cap hit but can still play and simply needs a change of scenery. The finances make a deal for this player very complicated, so offsetting the cap hit with a bad contract like Bailey makes it happen... i.e. Karlsson, Provorov, Boeser, Benn, etc.

Depth
Injuries happen, especially to the likes of Palmieri and Clutterbuck, so having Holmstrom and Wahlstrom on the 23-man roster is a good thing but it all depends on if Parise wants one more kick at the can and the CAP. If the cap is tight, then I think Johnston starts the season on LTIR with some ailment or he is waived. If Fasching and Holmstrom are the 13th and 14th F's it will speak volumes of the team's depth. I guess it is also worth mentioning Holmstrom is waiver exempt next season, so if he must start in Bridgeport he won't be lost.

Mayfield
Most likely Lou resigns Mayfield. It would mean more of the same problems this year. It is not wise to not resign him and a sign a journey man to replace his 19-20 minutes. Like most, I would like the d man that replaces Mayfield to be a player who can transition the puck and play in all situations. Of course, it does depend on how Lou and the staff feel about the likes of Aho, Bolduc, or Salo to develop and be that D man who can help in the transition. If it were me, I move on, only if I can land a younger, more skilled blueliner in Free agency, Gavrikov, or via trade in Provorov.
Then play Aho on the right as the 6th d man or sign Burroughs or Schenn to do so.

Engvall
Not sure it is wise to give a top 9 player like Engvall 3-4m a season. The sample size is too small, yet I was encouraged by what I saw and loved having his speed and puck-carrying ability in the lineup. If they could move Bailey, then it is a very likely chance Lou resigns Engvall, but that means no other major upgrades to F group... unless Palmieri is moved and Lou upgrades RW2 position with someone like Tarasenko.

Varlamov and the Cap
If the Cap is rising, then a 2-year deal at 2m sounds great. If not, then the Isles may be forced to move on and sign a David Rittich to caddy for Sorokin.
 
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We are all chatGPT GMs:

Prompt: Imagine you are the general manager of the New York Islanders hockey team in the NHL. What would you do to make the team better with the goal of winning the Stanley Cup?



As the general manager of the New York Islanders, my goal would be to build a team that can compete at the highest level and ultimately win the Stanley Cup. Here are some steps I would take to make the team better:

1. Strengthen the forward group: The Islanders have a solid group of forwards, but they lack a true game-changer. I would look to acquire a top-six forward who can consistently put up points and create offense. This player would need to have a strong two-way game and be able to contribute on the power play.

2. Improve the power play: The Islanders' power play has been a weakness in recent years. I would bring in a coach with a proven track record of success on the power play to help improve the team's performance in this area. Additionally, I would look to acquire players who have a history of success on the power play.

3. Upgrade the defense: The Islanders have a solid defensive group, but there is always room for improvement. I would look to acquire a top-pairing defenseman who can eat up minutes and contribute offensively. This player would need to be strong in his own end and be able to play in all situations.

4. Develop young players: The Islanders have several promising young players who could become key contributors in the future. I would invest in their development by providing them with top-notch coaching, training facilities, and resources. This would help ensure that they reach their full potential and become important pieces of the team's success.

5. Foster a winning culture: Winning is not just about talent, it's also about culture. I would work to create a culture of accountability, hard work, and resilience. This would involve setting high expectations for players and coaches, providing them with the resources they need to succeed, and rewarding them for their achievements.

By following these steps, I believe the New York Islanders could become a true contender for the Stanley Cup.
 

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If Lou decides on the day to make the announcement, that means Lambert is gone and Lou stays.

If someone else makes the decision, that means house-cleaning. ;)


I just want to say in advance, I actually think Dubas made some good moves this year and maybe is starting to get it. And if Lou stayed on as El Presidente, I think Dubas would be a decent counter-balance. There, backtracking complete.
I think the leaf brass extends Dubas but they'll replace Keefe with someone like Laviolette
 

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I'll just throw out there, if some team wants to hire Q as coach, I doubt they'd announce it and then say "but the league has to decide if he can come back". I suspect that the league would be presented with a scenario where a team wanted to hire Q, and they would make a decision before anything was announced.
John Shannon asked Gary Bettman about Q and Bowman on McCown's podcast on Friday and Bettman said no one is "eligible" to talk to them right now because they are suspended, so a team cannot contact or negotiate with either of them right now until the league decides "at the appropriate time" to lift the suspensions.

Shannon: "What's the process to allow both Bowman and Quennville to work in the NHL again?"

Gary: "At the appropriate time there'll need to be some discussion about where things have been and where things are and whether or not it's appropriate to return. But that's not something that I'm comfortable getting into right now"

Shannon: "But that would be, in theory, a discussion between you and them and the operative team, I would assume?"

Gary: "There are no operative teams because they're not eligible to engage with a team right now."

Shannon: "So they can't even negotiate"

Gary: "No."

Shannon: "So if I was the president of Comcast I couldn't phone Joel and ask him to come in for an interview?"

Gary: "No."

Shannon: "Ok. Didn't know that. That's a good one."

39:50 mark of this interview:

 
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John Shannon asked Gary Bettman about Q and Bowman on McCown's podcast on Friday and Bettman said no one is "eligible" to talk to them right now because they are suspended, so a team cannot contact or negotiate with either of them right now until the league decides "at the appropriate time" to lift the suspensions.

Shannon: "What's the process to allow both Bowman and Quennville to work in the NHL again?"

Gary: "At the appropriate time there'll need to be some discussion about where things have been and where things are and whether or not it's appropriate to return. But that's not something that I'm comfortable getting into right now"

Shannon: "But that would be, in theory, a discussion between you and them and the operative team, I would assume?"

Gary: "There are no operative teams because they're not eligible to engage with a team right now."

Shannon: "So they can't even negotiate"

Gary: "No."

Shannon: "So if I was the president of Comcast I couldn't phone Joel and ask him to come in for an interview?"

Gary: "No."

Shannon: "Ok. Didn't know that. That's a good one."

39:50 mark of this interview:

Thanks. So Q would need to approach the league and request that the suspension be lifted.
 
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