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doublechili said:
Is there any way the Isles could fit Meier at $9M under the cap next year if, say, they include Bailey as part of the deal and don't re-sign Mayfield? Because, there are lots of contenders that would love to have him, but how many could fit him next year to make him more than a rental? Even the Devs have to be a bit careful with all of the contract they're going to have to be signing in the next couple of years.
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If the cap went up $1M and the Islanders signed Meier for $9M AAV, plus dumped Bailey with no retention they'd have 18 guys under contract with just under $3M to work with. That would mean no Varlamov or Mayfield. Another body would need to be moved out who has money on the books and there aren't many options unless you start looking at Palmieri, Pageau, Nelson, or Lee. Clutterbuck isn't featured below but he'd be on the fourth line RW.

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If you don't move more money you're looking at a defense of:

Pelech, Pulock, Romanov, Dobson, Aho, Bolduc, Hutton, Salo. Plus they'd need a cheap backup goaltender.
 
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DerekKingSnipes said:
Bolduc hit his stride this year, he struggled through last year in Bridgeport. I think left side with Pelech, Romanov and Bolduc is really good actually. Bolduc is offensive guy, he is going be 30-40point NHLer I think. He has bomb for shot, as hard if not harder than Pulock
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He might not be an islander after March 3. Let’s hope he is
 
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He might not be an islander after March 3. Let’s hope he is
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If they want Chychrun then almost assuredly he’s gotta go in that package. It’s curious what they do cause they have 8 D now with team, Wotherspoon, Aho, Bolduc all can play in Nhl and I also believe Salo can also play in NHL. We have pretty good depth on left shot defense.
 
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If the Isles trade a Dufour or Bolduc, it better be in a package for a player like Meier or Chychrun. I think that is understandable and worth it.

Just don't move one of those players for an older player or pure rental. That would not be good.
 
DerekKingSnipes said:
If they want Chychrun then almost assuredly he’s gotta go in that package. It’s curious what they do cause they have 8 D now with team, Wotherspoon, Aho, Bolduc all can play in Nhl and I also believe Salo can also play in NHL. We have pretty good depth on left shot defense.
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Wotherspoon and Aho are 7th defensemen on most teams in the NHL.
 
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doublechili said:
Is there any way the Isles could fit Meier at $9M under the cap next year if, say, they include Bailey as part of the deal and don't re-sign Mayfield? Because, there are lots of contenders that would love to have him, but how many could fit him next year to make him more than a rental? Even the Devs have to be a bit careful with all of the contract they're going to have to be signing in the next couple of years.
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They could… it would require both of those things (and filling the mayfield role internally), a clutterbuck LTIR, and only carrying 2 extra skaters. But yeah, it could happen
 
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danteipp said:
If the Isles trade a Dufour or Bolduc, it better be in a package for a player like Meier or Chychrun. I think that is understandable and worth it.

Just don't move one of those players for an older player or pure rental. That would not be good.
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I don't want LL to do this either, but seems to not be his MO so I'm not worried about it.
 
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Ibelieve the way the team has been playing before the ASB and this week, along with winnable games before the big gun games in Pitt and Boston, Lou needs to go for it.



Taresenko, although banged up this year, feels like he's been phoning it in a little, playing uninteresting games.



Would Hutton and a 2nd get it done?

Or Salo and a 3rd?


Then Lou can go after a veteran defenseman with playoff experience alla Andy Greene to fill inwith Bolduc for the rest of the year

I was thinking someone like Nick Holden or Jack Johnson.


Taresenko-Horvat-Barzal

Lee - Nelson - Palmeri

Parise- JGP - Bailey

Martin- Cizikas - Fasching


Pelech- Pulock

Romanov - Dobson

Johnson/Holden/Aho/Mayfeld
 
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saintunspecified said:
Romanov is under control at a reasonable rate - he's going nowhere whether he ultimately ends up a 3rd pair D instead of a 2nd pair. I think NYI need to do whatever it takes to make Bolduc a regular roster D. When you add looking the part (really playing competently) to his size, athleticism, and endurance, there's only upside.

I also think Mayfield will go (unless NYI play badly before the deadline, I think he walks in FA), as I think NYI will hope to extend Varlamov at a lower rate. The only problem with that is that I Varlamov might want to be closer to home (which, as I understand it, is Texas, not Russia).

Replacing a bottom pair RD while being close to the cap is a normal problem for good NHL franchises, and it's not something to worry about right now. The worry imo for NYI in the near future is still on the wing, and that's even if Barzal transitions to beinga top-line winger. It's probably the easiest position to reload with draft picks, but oh well.

Chychrun, imo, is beyond a pipe dream. I would love NYI not to be the only NY metro area team without a Jewish star player (like Fox & Hughes), but oh well.
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But we have Mitch Korn!
 
I don’t know why we’re even talking about Chychrun at this point. We traded for Romanov in part because the ask on Chychrun was too high. He would have cost last years AND this years first rounders, both of which are gone, plus more. I haven’t heard any indication that Arizona’s ask has changed significantly. Why not ride things out with Bolduc? If he sticks then we have five d-men locked in.
 
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If they win most of their games leading up to the deadline, I'd look into a rental. Meier is a dream, but I suspect that's an offseason move (e.g. clear out Nelson, acquire assets for Meier).

Tank and a vet 3rd pairing D man as rentals.
 
Islanders need to manage their cap with caution and not doing anything rash. I think Lou may well look to add at the deadline, but with limited cap room I think they may either be cheap or upcoming UFAs.

In essence, they need to move out two big contracts in the summer, to start a turnaround and get younger and faster. One is obviously Bailey, but they will not be able to trade him without retention or taking back similar salary. Believing they get get rid without giving up something of actual worth is a pipedream.

The other contract is more interesting because it could mean either Pageau, Nelson or Palmieri. At least one of them has to go to open needed space, if they really are looking at a Chychrun or Meier or a big fish UFA or trade target.

The alternative is resigning Mayfield and Varly and ice the same lineup again next season.
 
Meier imo puts this team over the top and makes them a legit contender for many years to come. If you can do it you do it. Flip Varly for a 1st let Schneider back up the rest of the way and use that 1st with a guy like Dufour as the main pieces. If a 2nd or 3rd rd needs to be added you do it. Isles will still have a 1st and 2nd left over the next 2 years and a few good prospects. The window gives you time to draft again in 2-3 years and let them develop before the window starts to close. It can be done
 
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TheWhiteWhale30 said:
Meier imo puts this team over the top and makes them a legit contender for many years to come. If you can do it you do it. Flip Varly for a 1st let Schneider back up the rest of the way and use that 1st with a guy like Dufour as the main pieces. If a 2nd or 3rd rd needs to be added you do it. Isles will still have a 1st and 2nd left over the next 2 years and a few good prospects. The window gives you time to draft again in 2-3 years and let them develop before the window starts to close. It can be done
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Just have a feeling a 1st Dufour and change does not even get it done, unfortunately. Hate to be that wet blanket guy too
 
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Now that we signed Horvat, the team does have to start rationing big contracts. In other words, they have Horvat, Barzal and soon enough Sorokin making big $$. There are only so many of those you can hand out. Dobson may (hopefully) deserve one, but leaving that aside there may be just one more big deal the team can afford long-term.
 
TheWhiteWhale30 said:
Meier imo puts this team over the top and makes them a legit contender for many years to come. If you can do it you do it. Flip Varly for a 1st let Schneider back up the rest of the way and use that 1st with a guy like Dufour as the main pieces. If a 2nd or 3rd rd needs to be added you do it. Isles will still have a 1st and 2nd left over the next 2 years and a few good prospects. The window gives you time to draft again in 2-3 years and let them develop before the window starts to close. It can be done
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I like your Varly flip but I think only having Schneider as back up the rest of the way is extremely dicey. He has played in ONE NHL game since 2020.

God forbid even a short term Sorokin injury, the team is toast after expending all the capital to go for it this season.

Like going skydiving with no backup parachute. Sure, you can get the job done but you're teetering a razor thin edge.
 
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Mr Misunderstood said:
I like your Varly flip but I think only having Schneider as back up the rest of the way is extremely dicey. He has played in ONE NHL game since 2020.

God forbid even a short term Sorokin injury, the team is toast after expending all the capital to go for it this season.

Like going skydiving with no backup parachute. Sure, you can get the job done but you're teetering a razor thin edge.
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and the picture is more grim than that because, longer term, we have zero potential in our Goalie prospect pool. Sorokin, varly and schneider are IT. there is zippo behind them. As much as i'd like to get value for Varly and parlay that into Meier, I just dont think that would be the right move from an organizational depth point of view. Mayfield would likely be a better option given the potential of Bolduc and the other options we have in house (aho/salo/wotherspoon).

That being said i still dont see LL moving mayfield, unless it is directly for a scorer - SJS likely has no interest unless we can entice a 3rd team to take Mayfield and add value to our Meier offer. We'd also need someone like Bailey moved in the offseason, minimum.
 
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“The big fish, from an Islanders perspective, has already been caught. When the club acquired Bo Horvat from Vancouver early last week, it took itself out of the running for other high-end, elite players that may be available via the trade market.

So those of you hoping to plug the Sharks’Timo Meier on the left wing with Horvat and Mathew Barzal, or see Arizona’s Jakob Chychrun as the new defense partner for Noah Dobson, well, those chances are pretty much dead.”

Isles will/would likely pick up a depth guy like a Nicholas Paul for Tampa who chips in some timely goals. Perhaps Barbashev would be a good fit.
 
People really need to take a good, long look at Capfriendly and realise the situation the Isles are in. As pointed out above, they CANNOT take on another big contract until they have gotten rid of at least two big earners this summer. Even if the cap is going up a bit it doesn't solve much for the Isles.

Signing Hovat ate the Islanders cap space up. I still expect Lou to try and sign both Mayfield and Varly to new deals and with that there is nothing left to spend to seriously upgrade the roster.
Moving Bailey will be hard, and will come at a price. And it sure as hell won't happen now at the deadline but the draft at the earliest, if at all.

It's fun to dream of the likes of Meier or Chychrun, but it simply won't happen until Lou can clear space.
 
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I feel like the rangers will wind up with Meier. They have 2 1sts this year and can give up Kakko or Laf and add something else if they need to.

IslesNorway said:
People really need to take a good, long look at Capfriendly and realise the situation the Isles are in. As pointed out above, they CANNOT take on another big contract until they have gotten rid of at least two big earners this summer. Even if the cap is going up a bit it doesn't solve much for the Isles.

Signing Hovat ate the Islanders cap space up. I still expect Lou to try and sign both Mayfield and Varly to new deals and with that there is nothing left to spend to seriously upgrade the roster.
Moving Bailey will be hard, and will come at a price. And it sure as hell won't happen now at the deadline but the draft at the earliest, if at all.

It's fun to dream of the likes of Meier or Chychrun, but it simply won't happen until Lou can clear space.
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I feel like a lot of people just throw names out there without looking at capfriendly
 
TeamKidd said:
and the picture is more grim than that because, longer term, we have zero potential in our Goalie prospect pool. Sorokin, varly and schneider are IT. there is zippo behind them. As much as i'd like to get value for Varly and parlay that into Meier, I just dont think that would be the right move from an organizational depth point of view. Mayfield would likely be a better option given the potential of Bolduc and the other options we have in house (aho/salo/wotherspoon).

That being said i still dont see LL moving mayfield, unless it is directly for a scorer - SJS likely has no interest unless we can entice a 3rd team to take Mayfield and add value to our Meier offer. We'd also need someone like Bailey moved in the offseason, minimum.
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If you trade Varly then I say go out and get Greiss from STL instead of Schneider
 
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