Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[SI]

I don’t think Carolina ever replaced Trochek if I remember correctly, so Pageau makes sense for them.

How it makes sense for NYI, I am not sure yet.

I think EF has the wrong Islander - Nelson would be the guy they'd be interested as a 2C - Staal stays as the 3C... I would consider that, especially if it was Teuvo for Nelson - cap and term the same.

Nelson and a pick (3rd or4th)
for Teuvo and Morrow

 

[doublechili]

I'm kind of surprised on one is talking about trading Barzal now that we have Horvat.

 

[seabass45]

Is there any possibility that VAN didn’t allow teams to talk to Horvat because his ask was so absurd that if teams knew it they would stay away?

The theory (which I buy into) is that they didn’t want him to negotiate with teams because he could then limit the teams that he’d be traded to and as a result potentially limit the return. He could have said no to extending with us, and then what? Does Lou still make that deal knowing the extension is off the table? They ended up getting potentially the highest first rounder possible and a very notable prospect without allowing him to talk, so I think we can put to bed this idea that allowing him to negotiate with teams automatically increases the return.

 

[SI]

Imagine if LOU went all in and Erik Karlsson becomes is the next target.

It is possible -
Another 1st (maybe another), Bailey, Panik, and Salo for Karlsson @ (2.5 m retained 20%) maybe they move 2024 3rd to Chicago to park another 1.5m.

The Isles move Wahlstrom straight up for Tank @ 50% retained or a pick for Barbashev @ 50% retained.

The cap can work.

 

[Le Grec]

It's odd that Lou asked for retention on Horvat when the team was expected to have 10mil in deadline cap space. It got me thinking; is Lou trying to pick up 2 high end pieces, or is this about Kane?

There is 0 benefit in the retention if this is not his plan. I can't think of 2 players with a combined cap of about 10+ million that would be available, so if I'm a betting man, as crazy as it sounds, I think Lou has Kane as his top priority...

 

[Glorydays22]

Notable-ish UFAs to be on bad teams:

Ritchie
Kane
Toews
Athanasiou
Domi
Bonino
Tarasenko
Barbashev
Acciari
JVR
Dadonov

To me, I don't want to spend too much more draft capital. So I would look at Athanasiou and Domi

 

[frankieboy]

There are similarities for sure. I just wouldnt mess with the Lee-Nelson-Palmieri line. Short lived line but 4 goals For and only 1 Against and really good Advanced Stats numbers. They click super well. Good on the cycle, good in transition and dogs in front of the net.

I've seen a couple of positive comments about Palmieri since his return, but not many (enough). I think he has looked very good since his return. And, I agree...keep that line together.

 

[PK Cronin]

I'll take a look at the defensemen if I have time tonight.

UFAs to be on defense from bad teams:

Gostisbehere
Stetcher
Klingberg
Shattenkirk
Kulikov
Maata
Jack Johnson
Hamonic
Holden
Gavrikov
Schenn

I did realize that I missed the Red Wings when looking at UFAs for forwards and they have a bunch.

Larkin
Bertuzzi
Suter
Sundqvist
Erne

 

[Glorydays22]

UFAs to be on defense from bad teams:

Gostisbehere
Stetcher
Klingberg
Shattenkirk
Kulikov
Maata
Jack Johnson
Hamonic
Holden
Gavrikov
Schenn

I did realize that I missed the Red Wings when looking at UFAs for forwards and they have a bunch.

Larkin
Bertuzzi
Suter
Sundqvist
Erne

To me, Gostisbehere is the perfect 3rd LD for this team (purely rental). But isn't he out long term?

 

[PK Cronin]

To me, Gostisbehere is the perfect 3rd LD for this team (purely rental). But isn't he out long term?

I believe @MJF mentioned he's out 6 weeks. I didn't take anything into account other than contract status, whether the team was they play for was likely to sell, and if I knew the player/they were useful (a guy with 10 games or an AHL tweener didn't make the cut).

 

[Throttle]

It's odd that Lou asked for retention on Horvat when the team was expected to have 10mil in deadline cap space. It got me thinking; is Lou trying to pick up 2 high end pieces, or is this about Kane?

There is 0 benefit in the retention if this is not his plan. I can't think of 2 players with a combined cap of about 10+ million that would be available, so if I'm a betting man, as crazy as it sounds, I think Lou has Kane as his top priority...

The retention gives the Isles one of the largest available ‘deadline’ cap space of any playoff or playoff to be team. So, when trying to work out trades, the Isles are in a maximum spot to make a deal, especially if the other team doesn’t want a cap hit coming back.

Essentially, this also helps the Isles be more attractive as an option to those players with larger cap hits. For all the Lou pundits, he’s been accruing the space all season long to strike at or near the deadline.

 

[PK Cronin]

The retention gives the Isles one of the largest available ‘deadline’ cap space of any playoff or playoff to be team. So, when trying to work out trades, the Isles are in a maximum spot to make a deal, especially if the other team doesn’t want a cap hit coming back.

Essentially, this also helps the Isles be more attractive as an option to those players with larger cap hits. For all the Lou pundits, he’s been accruing the space all season long to strike at or near the deadline.

Also allows him to to be a third party in some deals if retention is required and he doesn't plan on making any deals directly. A low probability event but still possible if he desires to do it.

 

[Le Grec]

The retention gives the Isles one of the largest available ‘deadline’ cap space of any playoff or playoff to be team. So, when trying to work out trades, the Isles are in a maximum spot to make a deal, especially if the other team doesn’t want a cap hit coming back.

Essentially, this also helps the Isles be more attractive as an option to those players with larger cap hits. For all the Lou pundits, he’s been accruing the space all season long to strike at or near the deadline.

I get that, but you don't ask for retention to be more of an attractive option. I could see you're point if it was 5-7mil retained. But the Isles were going to have a shit ton of cap space without the retention. Asking for it, in my opinion, was because Lou has something in mind and needs the 10+ million in cap space...

 

[ekill08x]

Why not just trade him if he is that bad at everything.

because hes literally our best goal scorer before the Horvat trade. This would be an abysmal move.

 

[GOLFWANG]

I forget can we not trade Wahlstrom since he is injured?

 

[ekill08x]

If he returns a first round pick and someone who is 22 and cost controlled? Absolutely!

Any way you can make over this roster should be on the table. The only untouchables should be Sorokin, Pelech,and Dobson. That is all.

That literally would cancel out the Horvat trade. This would be a horrendous move.

 

[Glory Days]

I don’t think Carolina ever replaced Trochek if I remember correctly, so Pageau makes sense for them.

How it makes sense for NYI, I am not sure yet.

Pageau is too much of a Lou type player. I can’t see him being moved.

 

[danteipp]

Why Lafferty? Andreoff is cheap and he works hard too or we still have Koivula AND Bardreau. We are stocked up on 4th liners.

Now that I'm looking at Bridgeport's roster..I had no idea Lamberts nephew was in our system (jimmy)

You didnt know that we got the better Lambert?!

 

[Big L]

I get that, but you don't ask for retention to be more of an attractive option. I could see you're point if it was 5-7mil retained. But the Isles were going to have a shit ton of cap space without the retention. Asking for it, in my opinion, was because Lou has something in mind and needs the 10+ million in cap space...

When I first heard 25% retained and it comes out to only for rest of this season, I thought the same. Lou has something else in mind.

 

[Mike C]

Sabres play one of their games in hand. TNT Let's go Canes

Gotta say, I LOVE the staggered games leading up to break. Only 4 days without regular season hockey

I think Brendan is doing play by play

 

[doublechili]

Imagine if LOU went all in and Erik Karlsson becomes is the next target.

It is possible -
Another 1st (maybe another), Bailey, Panik, and Salo for Karlsson @ (2.5 m retained 20%) maybe they move 2024 3rd to Chicago to park another 1.5m.

The Isles move Wahlstrom straight up for Tank @ 50% retained or a pick for Barbashev @ 50% retained.

The cap can work.

Imagine indeed. "Bo Horvat, Erik Karlsson and Vladimir Tarasenko, come get the Stanley Cup!"

It's odd that Lou asked for retention on Horvat when the team was expected to have 10mil in deadline cap space. It got me thinking; is Lou trying to pick up 2 high end pieces, or is this about Kane?

There is 0 benefit in the retention if this is not his plan. I can't think of 2 players with a combined cap of about 10+ million that would be available, so if I'm a betting man, as crazy as it sounds, I think Lou has Kane as his top priority...

That doesn't not make sense.

 

[doublechili]

To me, I don't want to spend too much more draft capital. So I would look at Athanasiou and Domi

Have you read the profiles on those two guys? They're like the "Jeopardy!" answers to the question, "Who are the last two players in the NHL that Lou Lamiorello would want on his team?".

 

[Le Grec]

When I first heard 25% retained and it comes out to only for rest of this season, I thought the same. Lou has something else in mind.

If Vancouver didn't retain any salary, the cap space would be about 10 mil. With the retention it's 11.3 mil. I can't believe Lou thought 10 mil wasn't enough. I don't know if it gets done, but that retention is for Kane, or Tarasenko and someone else...

 

[CupHolders]

I forget can we not trade Wahlstrom since he is injured?

An injured player can be traded. Evander Kane from WPG to BUF is one example.

 

[doublechili]

I may be missing someone, but since Lou became GM his bigger trade acquisitions have been:

JGP
Palmieri (and Zajak)
Romanov
Horvat

He also signed Parise and Fasching. And look at some of his draft picks: Lugnuts, Liukas, etc..

It's not too hard to notice a bit of a pattern there. Look for guys who would fit that mold, or guys who are super talented studs.