Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[PROMputt]

Trading Mayfield now hurts twofold, both in terms of cap space and the roster construction, and you only do that if you plan on tearing it down and starting over. If the team isn't competitive then they can deal Mayfield at the deadline and recoup some assets if need be. If they're competitive, he'll be here until the end of the year.



I'd trade Pulock for a star forward, yes. He's supposed to provide offense and doesn't, and defensively I don't think he's as good when he's away from Pelech. I'd move him for the right price.

I get trading Mayfield is not popular and I really do not want to trade him. But with the cap you have to think long and short term. After this season do you really think the Islanders can pay and keep him? Probably not. You have to think value wise this is as good as it is going to get with Scotty. And again I am not writing that I think he should be moved for anything in particular but that if the Islanders wanted to move him this is the perfect time.

 

[dlawong]

Anyone thinks if Isles have another mediocre season because they can't significantly improve this team, maybe they should just tank by doing the following:

1. trade Barzal to Seattle for Wright plus Johnny Gore (Barzal has a history with Seattle, played there in his junior year and he is from Vancouver (I still believe in Wright, think he has more upside and should be highly motivated to prove himself). Seattle needs someone like Barzal to put fans in the seat and he already played well with Ebs. Nelson can be a 1st line center and Gore will be a very good 2nd line center or maybe Raty would be ready for that role later. Barzal will also be looking for big $ and Seattle can afford him but not Isles can

Why Isles do this? They need to go high in the 2023 draft (top 5) to grad an elite future player and next draft has more of such prospects. To compete in the Metro and East they need that elite player

They need to free up cap space to secure future contracts - Dobson is a much bigger priority than Barzal and there are already talks around about a large offer sheet for him. I will not be surprised if he gets one next season.

They need also the cap space to enable either a trade or a free agent signing for a future top 1 LDH and a stud young goalie prospect.

Maybe in the same deal they can also get a decent RHD back from Seattle as a replacement for Mayfield who will most likely walk after this season

Again I do not see this team ready to compete with top contenders both in the east and west. You do need to build your team from G to D to F. Look at the Rangers - that is what they did and now they are a legit contender.

This trade does not go down if Isles can sign a high-end winger this summer. This trade does not happen if Barzal start to show his scoring ability by working real hard on his shots this summer, as Crosby did in his early career.

 

[seafoam]

Trading someone entering his prime years for someone leaving his prime years.

Yeah, gonna pass on that one.

Barzal statistically peaked his rookie season.

 

[CupHolders]

Barzal and Bailey for Miller (with an 8 year 70M extension) and Garland.

I’m sure this will get scoffed at because Barzal is younger and perceived as more dynamic because of his skating ability, but Miller is simply the better player as of today than and Garland is a nice upgrade on Bailey.

As of today, that’s a fair trade, strictly from a value perspective.

But it also serves as an example to highlight the incongruity of the take that Barzal is incapable of improving from his current outputs.

JT Miller was woefully inconsistent before the age of 26. Never scoring higher than 50 points more than once at 56.

Once arriving to Vancouver he put up…

72 in 69
46 in 53
99 in 80

 

[seafoam]

I get trading Mayfield is not popular and I really do not want to trade him. But with the cap you have to think long and short term. After this season do you really think the Islanders can pay and keep him? Probably not. You have to think value wise this is as good as it is going to get with Scotty. And again I am not writing that I think he should be moved for anything in particular but that if the Islanders wanted to move him this is the perfect time.

What is the return? I think it’s fine to trade Mayfield (Stralman and Braun would be fine 3RD replacements just to name a couple of guys), but NYI is already up against the cap with Dobson + Romanov extensions + filling out the rest of the lineup.

 

[PK Cronin]

I get trading Mayfield is not popular and I really do not want to trade him. But with the cap you have to think long and short term. After this season do you really think the Islanders can pay and keep him? Probably not. You have to think value wise this is as good as it is going to get with Scotty. And again I am not writing that I think he should be moved for anything in particular but that if the Islanders wanted to move him this is the perfect time.

I do not think he'll re-sign here, but I don't think that means you must trade him. His value will never be greater than it is right now, but that's true for his value to the Islanders as well. Teams can just let a contract expire without trading the player, even if it sucks to see happen.

 

[PK Cronin]

What is the return? I think it’s fine to trade Mayfield (Stralman and Braun would be fine 3RD replacements just to name a couple of guys), but NYI is already up against the cap with Dobson + Romanov extensions + filling out the rest of the lineup.

Precisely. What is he fetching? If it's picks and futures, no thank you.

 

[seafoam]

As of today, that’s a fair trade, strictly from a value perspective.

But it also serves as an example to highlight the incongruity of the take that Barzal is incapable of improving from his current outputs.

JT Miller was woefully inconsistent before the age of 26. Never scoring higher than 50 points more than once at 56.

Once arriving to Vancouver he put up…

72 in 69
46 in 53
99 in 80

Miller played on a deep Tampa squad before getting top line minutes on Vancouver. His NYR numbers were during his development.

He’s a legit top liner in my opinion, and much more complete offensively than Barzal (and can’t be worse defensively).

I get the hesistation, I just wouldn’t put it past Lou to consider something like this.

 

[PK Cronin]

Anyone thinks if Isles have another mediocre season because they can't significantly improve this team, maybe they should just tank by doing the following:

1. trade Barzal to Seattle for Wright plus Johnny Gore (Barzal has a history with Seattle, played there in his junior year and he is from Vancouver (I still believe in Wright, think he has more upside and should be highly motivated to prove himself). Seattle needs someone like Barzal to put fans in the seat and he already played well with Ebs. Nelson can be a 1st line center and Gore will be a very good 2nd line center or maybe Raty would be ready for that role later. Barzal will also be looking for big $ and Seattle can afford him but not Isles can

Why Isles do this? They need to go high in the 2023 draft (top 5) to grad an elite future player and next draft has more of such prospects. To compete in the Metro and East they need that elite player

They need to free up cap space to secure future contracts - Dobson is a much bigger priority than Barzal and there are already talks around about a large offer sheet for him. I will not be surprised if he gets one next season.

They need also the cap space to enable either a trade or a free agent signing for a future top 1 LDH and a stud young goalie prospect.

Maybe in the same deal they can also get a decent RHD back from Seattle as a replacement for Mayfield who will most likely walk after this season

Again I do not see this team ready to compete with top contenders both in the east and west. You do need to build your team from G to D to F. Look at the Rangers - that is what they did and now they are a legit contender.

This trade does not go down if Isles can sign a high-end winger this summer. This trade does not happen if Barzal start to show his scoring ability by working real hard on his shots this summer, as Crosby did in his early career.

Moved this to the appropriate thread, but no, I do not agree with this game plan at all.

Also, I don't think the Rags did what you're suggesting at all. In fact, I'd say their defense is suspect.

 

[CupHolders]

Miller played on a deep Tampa squad before getting top line minutes on Vancouver. His NYR numbers were during his development.

He’s a legit top liner in my opinion, and much more complete offensively than Barzal (and can’t be worse defensively).

I get the hesistation, I just wouldn’t put it past Lou to consider something like this.

He was only on Tampa for one calendar year. So it still really doesn’t change that he was more ineffective than Barzal before he finally developed at an age older than Barzal now.

Keep in mind I do think Miller is a better all-round player than Barzal right now.

I’m not suggesting that Barzal going forward will be anymore productive than he has been under Trotz.

 

[lafellaesobar]

Starting to think the biggest acquisition is Jim Paliafito. Isles have few assets to trade and no success with UFAs. So hire a scout with success at signing European free agents. We might see some needs filled that way.

Mikheyev feels large to be here if anything.

 

[seafoam]

Precisely. What is he fetching? If it's picks and futures, no thank you.

It would have to be for an impact scorer, which lets be honest, one year of Mayfield would not return.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Barzal statistically peaked his rookie season.

Let's see what he does when not playing in a Trotz system, not playing with the statistically worst defense in terms of being able to move the puck up ice, and not playing with underwhelming wings.

I've posted this before, but Greene and Chara were absolute anchors out there last year in terms of Corsi.

 

[lafellaesobar]

we are back to trade barzal talks...

and yet im the crazy one

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

I wouldn't mind Mikheyev if the team strikes out on bigger targets. Big size, good skating from what I know of him, decent offense, only 27 years old.

But the lineup seems kinda crunched with him. Maybe trade Beauvillier for futures to help starting to rebuild this putrid farm?

It would be like trading Beauvillier for a better version of Beauvillier plus some prospects or picks. Seems like a win win to me.

 

[lafellaesobar]

I wouldn't mind Mikheyev if the team strikes out on bigger targets. Big size, good skating from what I know of him, decent offense, only 27 years old.

But the lineup seems kinda crunched with him. Maybe trade Beauvillier for futures to help starting to rebuild this putrid farm?

It would be like trading Beauvillier for a better version of Beauvillier plus some prospects or picks. Seems like a win win to me.

I can definitely see a swap with Edmonton for Beau and Pulju possibly, but Mikheyev is a guy they can use, especially on penalty kill alongside pageau. knowing Lou, we still have zero reads on free agents. gotta wait for the 13th

 

[seafoam]

 

[Uncle Lou]

Still think isles in on him If the deal was as close as it was said to be.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Can't really see them going after Miller now after the interest was leaked at the draft. You know, Lou's dumb rules.

No interest in Anderson and hope we stay far away from him.

 

[lafellaesobar]

Can't really see them going after Miller now after the interest was leaked at the draft. You know, Lou's dumb rules.

No interest in Anderson and hope we stay far away from him.

doubt lou won't still be in on him

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

I can definitely see a swap with Edmonton for Beau and Pulju possibly, but Mikheyev is a guy they can use, especially on penalty kill alongside pageau. knowing Lou, we still have zero reads on free agents. gotta wait for the 13th

If they sign Mikheyev, I'd rather just send Beau somewhere for actual futures.

Like maybe a second round pick plus a center prospect with realistic 3C potential. Helps build the farm up a bit.

Assuming we don't get Johnny Hockey:

Sign Mikheyev
Trade Beauvillier for 2nd round pick plus center prospect
Trade Salo and one 2nd round pick for Hague


Mikheyev - Barzal - Wahlstrom
Lee - Nelson - Bailey
Parise - Pageau - Palmieri
MC^2
Bellows

Pelech - Pulock
Hague - Dobson
Romanov - Mayfield

Sorokin/Varly

 

[lafellaesobar]

If they sign Mikheyev, I'd rather just send Beau somewhere for actual futures.

Like maybe a second round pick plus a center prospect with realistic 3C potential. Helps build the farm up a bit.

Assuming we don't get Johnny Hockey:

Sign Mikheyev
Trade Beauvillier for 2nd round pick plus center prospect
Trade Salo and one 2nd round pick for Hague


Mikheyev - Barzal - Wahlstrom
Lee - Nelson - Bailey
Parise - Pageau - Palmieri
MC^2
Bellows

Pelech - Pulock
Hague - Dobson
Romanov - Mayfield

Sorokin/Varly

Hague works better on LHD3 tbh, but I can see him flipping between Dobson and Mayfield. Now I could also just see the isles trying to add another forward because it still feels a bit too thin on offense.

 

[iggy]

If they sign Mikheyev, I'd rather just send Beau somewhere for actual futures.

Like maybe a second round pick plus a center prospect with realistic 3C potential. Helps build the farm up a bit.

Assuming we don't get Johnny Hockey:

Sign Mikheyev
Trade Beauvillier for 2nd round pick plus center prospect
Trade Salo and one 2nd round pick for Hague


Mikheyev - Barzal - Wahlstrom
Lee - Nelson - Bailey
Parise - Pageau - Palmieri
MC^2
Bellows

Pelech - Pulock
Hague - Dobson
Romanov - Mayfield

Sorokin/Varly

We would lose every game 2-1

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

We would lose every game 2-1

I mean a less talented group (both on offense and defense) managed a 2.79 GF/G last year. But okay, sure.

What's your plan if the team isn't able to sign Johnny Hockey?

 

[lafellaesobar]

what about Malkin? 3 year deal like Marleaus back in Toronto?