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SI said:
If Raty lights up at Bridgeport and makes it too difficult for mgmt. to keep him down, then what is the ideal role and position to play?
1 - Raty playing LW with Nelson and Bailey at RW
2 - Raty playing LW with Pageau and Palmieri at RW
3 - Raty playing LW with Barzal and Bailey, Palmieri, Wahlstrom, or Beauvillier at RW
* I doubt that having him play C at 19-20 is a good idea.

What do you think?
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From what I heard they have zero desire to move him away from center, even for the short term and even if he is playing out of his mind in Bridgeport.
 
Mike C said:
I'm starting to think it's hard to imagine a scenario where Cal plays 7 games let alone 70!

i kinda like the idea of keeping Beau with Lee and Nelson. that line played really well together last season. i wouldn't mind seeing either bellows or wahlstrom on 4th with casey and either martin or johnston. wally upped his physical game last season and would bring an elemant of scoring potential to that line. bellows would do the same but to a lesser extent in my opinio

Wally keep it simple! Hit everything in site and shoot. Kinda reminds me what supposedly the big tuna said to #56 in his first camp. Just keep it simple and get the QB. Don't worry about defensive schemes at this time.
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periferal said:
I read it differently. I thought you were saying Dobson would be in the Norris race as one of the best D-men in the NHL. If you just meant he could get 60 points, then yes that is possible.

As for my revised answer then no doubt it should be...


"Pulock hits the net more and that translates into double digits in goal"
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I'll say it. Dobson will be a Norris contender this year. Bookmark this.
 
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periferal said:
I read it differently. I thought you were saying Dobson would be in the Norris race as one of the best D-men in the NHL. If you just meant he could get 60 points, then yes that is possible.

As for my revised answer then no doubt it should be...


"Pulock hits the net more and that translates into double digits in goal"
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Geez Perif, how many guesses do you get? Like my mother playing Scrabble against me . . .

I'm going with 'We Make The Playoffs' for $2,000 Alex . . . along with Who Reads . . .
 
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Chardo said:
I'll say it. Dobson will be a Norris contender this year. Bookmark this.
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Contender (much less finalist) would mean that Dobson is in like the top 6 defenseman in the entire league. I love Dobson as much as anyone, but the idea that he'll be that this year is beyond the beyond of wildest expectations.
 
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SI said:
Here is a recipe for success -
1 - Core players stay healthy and avoid long-term injury
2 - Sorokin Vezina-type season
3 - Break out Norris Type production by Dobson - 60+ points
4 - Barzal has the best season of his career
5 - Wahlstrom establishes himself as a top 6 F
6 - Beauvillier finds consistency and finally breaks the 50+ threshold
7 - Nelson, Pageau, and Lee continue to be who they are
8 - Unshackled, Josh Bailey bounces back and becomes the linemate Barzal needs.
9 - The identity line bounces back
10 - Raty makes it too difficult for the Isles to keep him Bport and is a regular by the Trade Deadline
11 - Romanov is everyone's favorite Islander.
12 - Pulock hits the net more and that translates into double digits in goal
13 - Lane Lambert's system shakes off the stagnancy and produces more goals
14 - PP with Dobson and Barzal's magic - finally breaks into the top 15 in the league.
15 - Salo establishes himself as bonafide NHL d man.

Of course, not all of these must happen for success, but a combination of a few.
Some are more likely and some are unlikely, but nothing on this list is impossible, well maybe one is a bit too bold.
Can you guess?
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Pre offseason game plan:
top 4 D
6/7 Dman
Top line forward
Preseason game plan:
Everybody needs to not only stop regressing, but get better.

These are the Garth Snow Islanders I know and love!

periferal said:
Contender (much less finalist) would mean that Dobson is in like the top 6 defenseman in the entire league. I love Dobson as much as anyone, but the idea that he'll be that this year is beyond the beyond of wildest expectations.
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Yeah, folks gotta pump the breaks on Dobson. He might be able to be a Norris contender on a great team (ahem, Toews new team), but on the Isles...he doesn't have the supporting cast to be that. Especially if our PP is more of the same shite. Not so much a knock against Dobson other than 1, it's too early...2, he's playing on an offensively anemic club.
 
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periferal said:
Contender (much less finalist) would mean that Dobson is in like the top 6 defenseman in the entire league. I love Dobson as much as anyone, but the idea that he'll be that this year is beyond the beyond of wildest expectations.
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I stand by my prediction. You can ridicule or praise me in April.
 


Lebrun mentions only the Rangers and Islanders as "decent possibilities" for Kane during this segment. We need to be in the playoff picture come February/March in order to appeal to Kane to wanna come here.
 
periferal said:
Contender (much less finalist) would mean that Dobson is in like the top 6 defenseman in the entire league. I love Dobson as much as anyone, but the idea that he'll be that this year is beyond the beyond of wildest expectations.
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I'd say top 15 vote getter, which is obviously subjective, but certainly means that someone thought you were pretty good. Top 6 - or even 10 - would be a pretty significant jump considering the competition and the relative meek spotlight afforded to this team.

I think top 15 would be a big - but not out of the realm of possibility - leap for him.
 
NYI365 said:


Lebrun mentions only the Rangers and Islanders as "decent possibilities" for Kane during this segment. We need to be in the playoff picture come February/March in order to appeal to Kane to wanna come here.
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Not saying I don't want Kane - who wouldn't want him? - but I shudder to think about the potential cost in salary and picks in order to get him. At some point, we need to start drafting and replenishing our prospects. I didn't have any major issues with each individual trade for JGP, Palmieri and Romanov at the time(s), but that's an awful lot of draft picks to miss out on. We have no redundancy in our prospect pool. That's potentially a problem when we need to fill cheap roster spots.
 
crasherino said:
Not saying I don't want Kane - who wouldn't want him? - but I shudder to think about the potential cost in salary and picks in order to get him. At some point, we need to start drafting and replenishing our prospects. I didn't have any major issues with each individual trade for JGP, Palmieri and Romanov at the time(s), but that's an awful lot of draft picks to miss out on. We have no redundancy in our prospect pool. That's potentially a problem when we need to fill cheap roster spots.
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NYI projects to have 8.5M per in cap space by the deadline. Not sure what Kane’s cap hit will be at the deadline, but rest assured ‘salary’ won’t be an issue.

The issue is that I can see NYR offering up one of Chytil, Kratsov, Kakko, Lafrieniere as a base which NYI cannot match.

NYR is also coming off a conference final, has an experienced and well respected coach (who should have never been canned for VGK in my opinion), and the allure of Manhattan (which for Kane I assume is strong because he will be reunited with Breadman).

NYR makes too much sense. It’s just going to come down to whether or not they can make the money work (I’m not up to date on their cap situation, but they did move Nemeth this offseason which was a necessary step).
 
seafoam said:
NYI projects to have 8.5M per in cap space by the deadline. Not sure what Kane’s cap hit will be at the deadline, but rest assured ‘salary’ won’t be an issue.

The issue is that I can see NYR offering up one of Chytil, Kratsov, Kakko, Lafrieniere as a base which NYI cannot match.

NYR is also coming off a conference final, has an experienced and well respected coach (who should have never been canned for VGK in my opinion), and the allure of Manhattan (which for Kane I assume is strong because he will be reunited with Breadman).

NYR makes too much sense. It’s just going to come down to whether or not they can make the money work (I’m not up to date on their cap situation, but they did move Nemeth this offseason which was a necessary step).
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As of today they'll have 800K cap space at the deadline.

They need to find a way to accrue more space as the season goes (paper transaction for sending guys down?) and then need to match dollar for dollar almost because Kane has such a high hit that even with retention you need to make up so much money. Even if you got a third team involved to take on space it's hard.
 
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Kevin27nyi said:
As of today they'll have 800K cap space at the deadline.

They need to find a way to accrue more space as the season goes (paper transaction for sending guys down?) and then need to match dollar for dollar almost because Kane has such a high hit that even with retention you need to make up so much money. Even if you got a third team involved to take on space it's hard.
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Sounds like NYR has a hill to climb to even make Kane at 50% a potential fit!

Good news for NYI, who may not have Breadman but has Barzal who has spoken multiple times about having Kane as a role model.
 
Kevin27nyi said:
As of today they'll have 800K cap space at the deadline.

They need to find a way to accrue more space as the season goes (paper transaction for sending guys down?) and then need to match dollar for dollar almost because Kane has such a high hit that even with retention you need to make up so much money. Even if you got a third team involved to take on space it's hard.
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Kane's cap hit is $10.5M, so by the deadline it'd be at least half of that, so $5.25M (slightly less because it's past the midpoint of the season). If Chicago retained half it'd decrease it to $2.65M, which would be very feasible to get to.
 
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seafoam said:
Sounds like NYR has a hill to climb to even make Kane at 50% a potential fit!

Good news for NYI, who may not have Breadman but has Barzal who has spoken multiple times about having Kane as a role model.
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guess matty wants to perfect drinking, taking advantage of young women and beating up cab drivers
 
PK Cronin said:
Kane's cap hit is $10.5M, so by the deadline it'd be at least half of that, so $5.25M (slightly less because it's past the midpoint of the season). If Chicago retained half it'd decrease it to $2.65M, which would be very feasible to get to.
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I'm sure we can fit him under the cap, one way or another....but is he gonna cost as far as compensation? We truly better be one player away at that point because guys like Kane don't come on the market all that often.

Do we want to give up Raty, Bolduc and a first (and maybe more)? I don't know the exact cost (depends on what else is being offered), but that's probably in the ballpark.
 
Considering what it would likely cost to acquire Kane, wouldn't it have to be done with an extension in place? I don't think the Isles would want to pay the price for him to be a rental and then walk. Of course, the NYR could probably do that figuring they could most likely extend him. The Isles would be crazy to trade for him without working out an extension in advance, and that may or may not be possible.
 
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crasherino said:
I'm sure we can fit him under the cap, one way or another....but is he gonna cost as far as compensation? We truly better be one player away at that point because guys like Kane don't come on the market all that often.

Do we want to give up Raty, Bolduc and a first (and maybe more)? I don't know the exact cost (depends on what else is being offered), but that's probably in the ballpark.
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I wouldn't pay for him unless we really were one piece away at the deadline and solidly in the playoff picture. The comment was more about the Rags ability to get him than the Islanders, we'd most definitely have enough space for any rental we'd want.
 
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