Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[SI]

Wow. I’m sorry you feel that way. The Blues have been a mixed bag of results over 10 years that includes 3 first round exits, 3 2nd round exits and one year of not making the playoffs. This is the kind of result I’d like to be better than.

The other 2 years you leave out are - Stanley CUP champs and conference finals! I mean Jesus Christ - it could be 1 SC and nothing else and I would still sign up for that!

Can I remind you the last playoff win before our most recent success was 1993!

 

[BelovedIsles]

I wouldn't mind being the Blues. Always a contender, multiple playoff runs, a Cup, some of the best forward skill/ depth in the league, and a good coach.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Other than the Romanov deal, the Isles season will rest on a bounce back season from it's players, AND a step forward from the younger players to continue their development. Lambert's job will be to put all the pieces in the right spots to give them the best chance to succeed. There have been no deals thus far I can surmise is Lou thought they were lateral or backward moves. I am going to trust him on this. So the hope is, bounce back, development from young players, and maybe a few surprise performances for the upcoming season.

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Can I remind you the last playoff win before our most recent success was 1993!

Didn't we beat the Florida Panthers in 7 back in like 2016?

 

[PK Cronin]

Didn't we beat the Florida Panthers in 7 back in like 2016?

Yes, the first year in Brooklyn was the first time since '93 the team advanced in the playoffs.

 

[Mike C]

I wouldn't mind being the Blues. Always a contender, multiple playoff runs, a Cup, some of the best forward skill/ depth in the league, and a good coach.

Not to mention St. Loo has an awesome pinball museum and the Anheuser-Busch Brewery

 

[Strummergas]

I mean, of course we'd all love a long-term contending team, but am I the only one who would consider giving a body part for even ONE goddamn Stanley Cup after the last almost 30 years of hell?

 

[The Real JT]

I wouldn't mind being the Blues. Always a contender, multiple playoff runs, a Cup, some of the best forward skill/ depth in the league, and a good coach.

Bad pizza and bagels.

Pass.

 

[MJF]

The other 2 years you leave out are - Stanley CUP champs and conference finals! I mean Jesus Christ - it could be 1 SC and nothing else and I would still sign up for that!

Can I remind you the last playoff win before our most recent success was 1993!

Jesus Christ. You forgot the Panthers in 2016 already?

I get that you are desperate and would be happy to take a one-off championship and call it a day. But we were on the right trajectory to building something special before last year's misstep. I would like to continue on that path rather than having a patchwork team where the GM is always having to try to find an overpaid veteran and trade futures to get it.

I wouldn't mind being the Blues. Always a contender, multiple playoff runs, a Cup, some of the best forward skill/ depth in the league, and a good coach.

The Blues weren't a contender the year they won the Cup. They fired their coach that January and got the performance of a lifetime out of Binnington. They now have the best pieces making up their team that they had since the early 1980s. But in the last 10 years? Nope.

I mean, of course we'd all love a long-term contending team, but am I the only one who would consider giving a body part for even ONE goddamn Stanley Cup after the last almost 30 years of hell?

Apparently not. There's a lot of desperate fans on this board.

Not to mention St. Loo has an awesome pinball museum and the Anheuser-Busch Brewery

And the Bowling Hall of Fame.

 

[Mike C]

I get that you are desperate and would be happy to take a one-off championship and call it a day. But we were on the right trajectory to building something special before last year's misstep. I would like to continue on that path rather than having a patchwork team where the GM is always having to try to find an overpaid veteran and trade futures to get it.


The Blues weren't a contender the year they won the Cup. They fired their coach that January and got the performance of a lifetime out of Binnington.


Apparently not. There's a lot of desperate fans on this board.


And the Bowling Hall of Fame.

nice! i did not know that!

I mean, of course we'd all love a long-term contending team, but am I the only one who would consider giving a body part for even ONE goddamn Stanley Cup after the last almost 30 years of hell?

depends on which body part. as i've aged, some parts i still need and use--- others, well, not so much!

 

[MJF]

nice! i did not know that!

What didn't you know? That it was in St Louis or that there even was a Bowling Hall of Fame?

 

[Doshell Propivo]

In the past 10 years the Blues have made the playoffs every year except for one. They've won nine playoff series during that time including the Stanley Cup. I'm not sure what's not to like here.

 

[MJF]

In the past 10 years the Blues have made the playoffs every year except for one. They've won nine playoff series during that time including the Stanley Cup. I'm not sure what's not to like here.

Nobody said they are a bad team. They are a middle of the pack team that frankly has not had much success in the playoffs recently.

Just making the playoffs in a league where half the teams make it, and having most of your success coming in the first 2 rounds is no big deal.

Compared to the Islanders last 10, that's something. Compared to other teams, it's kinda meh.

 

[Mike C]

What didn't you know? That it was in St Louis or that there even was a Bowling Hall of Fame?

didn't know where it was. i figured all sports have one!

 

[xIsle]

I mentioned it recently, but I think we'll have plenty of offense for those tight 2-1, 3-2, 4-3 style victories if we get more or less the following realistic totals out of our guys:
60 points - Barzal, Nelson
45-50 points - Lee, Dobson
40 points - Bailey, Beauvillier, Pageau, Palmieri
35 points - Wahlstrom, Pulock, Parise
30 points - Pelech
25 points - Mayfield, Bellows
20 points - Cizikas
15 points - Clutterbuck, Romanov, one of Salo/Aho/Cholowski
5-10 points - Martin, Johnston

Team defense will be the name of the game, and in light of that, stats like these should have the team in a playoff spot and ready to do some damage in the playoffs, especially if the power play is in the top 15 in the league.

For what it's worth, here are the Hockey News predictions for our players next season.

1- Barzal: 78 pts
2- Dobson: 62
3- Lee: 55
4- Nelson: 53
5- Beauvillier: 47
6- Bailey: 42
7- Pageau: 37
8- Wahlstrom: 35
9- Pulock: 32
10- Palmieri: 29
11- Parise: 26
12- Pelech: 24
13- Raty: 23
14- Cizikas: 22
15- Clutterbuck: 20
16- Mayfield: 19
17- Bellows: 18
18- Aho: 16
18- Romanov: 16
20- Martin: 9
21- Johnston: 6

I'm quite surprised at the low point total for Palmieri (only 29), I'm more expecting to see him between 40 and 45. And it's rather optimistic for Barzal and Dobson. I see more Barzal between 65 and 70 and Dobson around 50.

 

[MJF]

For what it's worth, here are the Hockey News predictions for our players next season.

1- Barzal: 78 pts
2- Dobson: 62
3- Lee: 55
4- Nelson: 53
5- Beauvillier: 47
6- Bailey: 42
7- Pageau: 37
8- Wahlstrom: 35
9- Pulock: 32
10- Palmieri: 29
11- Parise: 26
12- Pelech: 24
13- Raty: 23
14- Cizikas: 22
15- Clutterbuck: 20
16- Mayfield: 19
17- Bellows: 18
18- Aho: 16
18- Romanov: 16
20- Martin: 9
21- Johnston: 6

I'm quite surprised at the low point total for Palmieri (only 29), I'm more expecting to see him between 40 and 45. And it's rather optimistic for Barzal and Dobson. I see more Barzal between 65 and 70 and Dobson around 50.

If we put up numbers like these, we're not making the playoffs.

 

[SI]

If we put up numbers like these, we're not making the playoffs.

How can you tell that from random points totals?

The Isles success will be about goal differential without total goals and goals against there is no way of knowing.

You really are a glass half empty type a guy.

 

[SI]

Jesus Christ. You forgot the Panthers in 2016 already?

I get that you are desperate and would be happy to take a one-off championship and call it a day. But we were on the right trajectory to building something special before last year's misstep. I would like to continue on that path rather than having a patchwork team where the GM is always having to try to find an overpaid veteran and trade futures to get it.


The Blues weren't a contender the year they won the Cup. They fired their coach that January and got the performance of a lifetime out of Binnington. They now have the best pieces making up their team that they had since the early 1980s. But in the last 10 years? Nope.


Apparently not. There's a lot of desperate fans on this board.


And the Bowling Hall of Fame.

They won the cup 4 years ago and were in the conference finals 3 years before that.

You don’t get to make excuses for their cup win- they won the cup! that is more than like 26 other teams can say in the last 10 years.

 

[Strummergas]

depends on which body part. as i've aged, some parts i still need and use--- others, well, not so much!

Well, I was not specific for a reason.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Nobody said they are a bad team. They are a middle of the pack team that frankly has not had much success in the playoffs recently.

Just making the playoffs in a league where half the teams make it, and having most of your success coming in the first 2 rounds is no big deal.

Compared to the Islanders last 10, that's something. Compared to other teams, it's kinda meh.

Only two teams every year get to claim that they've had success past the 2nd round. And to make the playoffs every year while winning a cup is a big deal. And the Blues have the 7th most playoff wins in the league in the past 10 years. Other than TB, PIT and CHI, the Blues are right there with the cream of the crop.

 

[Mike C]

Well, I was not specific for a reason.

funny one!

i am also of the mindset that i'd take one cup and years of rebuild vs being a perennial contender. obviously both would be ideal but if the choice is one or the other, i'll take the cup.

eat drink and be merry! today is all we have, who the hell knows what the future holds.

plus, as as been stated by others, the right management and drafting could bring us back to level fast enough if done correctly

 

[The Real JT]

For what it's worth, here are the Hockey News predictions for our players next season.

1- Barzal: 78 pts
2- Dobson: 62
3- Lee: 55
4- Nelson: 53
5- Beauvillier: 47
6- Bailey: 42
7- Pageau: 37
8- Wahlstrom: 35
9- Pulock: 32
10- Palmieri: 29
11- Parise: 26
12- Pelech: 24
13- Raty: 23
14- Cizikas: 22
15- Clutterbuck: 20
16- Mayfield: 19
17- Bellows: 18
18- Aho: 16
18- Romanov: 16
20- Martin: 9
21- Johnston: 6

I'm quite surprised at the low point total for Palmieri (only 29), I'm more expecting to see him between 40 and 45. And it's rather optimistic for Barzal and Dobson. I see more Barzal between 65 and 70 and Dobson around 50.

Without commenting on the relative value of each player, I find it ironic that this board consistently hammers Bailey (42 estimated points) vs Palmieri (29 estimated points).

Our lack of team speed and a true goal scoring forward are far more pressing problems than Bailey is.

 

[Mike C]

Without commenting on the relative value of each player, I find it ironic that this board consistently hammers Bailey (42 estimated points) vs Palmieri (29 estimated points).

Our lack of team speed and a true goal scoring forward are far more pressing problems than Bailey is.

i would have to think that if Palmieri scores 29 points, we're in for a long season!

 

[mm11]

The season cant get here fast enough. Hope the players feel the same.

I covertly added to a 7-year-old birthday party chalkboard yesterday. Not one Dad knew what I was talking about down here in NE Florida
Oh well Anyway, LGI!

 

[saintunspecified]

i would have to think that if Palmieri scores 29 points, we're in for a long season!

Otoh, if Barzal scores 78 points (over 20 goals), and Lee, Nelson, and Beauvillier are all 20 goals +, it'll be just fine unless something really goes wrong with D or G.