Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[Throttle]

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Hilarious.

Solid outfit here...'David says' - ok, so re-tweeter knows nothing. But blasts 17 mediums to 'share' that. This seems like a supportive marketing campaign from the site leader that generates something and has the name in the industry.

'Don't' be surprised' - Why would someone be surprised that the team holding their own pick would, I don't know, actually make the pick just like 99% of the time in the 1st round.

Don't be surprised we had no clue on Trotz, scout hire, and those assistant hires...

 

[CupHolders]

i want SOMETHING for f***s sake. no more Leo Komarov. No more Zdeno Chara. No more Andy Greene. f***ing SOMETHING.

Chill... Veruca! It'll happen, or it won't!

But c'mon remember when you panicked that Lou "forgot" to declare an eligible d-man for the expansion draft.

 

[lafellaesobar]

Ok we get it, maybe wait on the shit posting until the summer is over and we have a roster mostly set

if we lose sorokin to russia we are back in the dark ages and back to being little brother with zero relevance. i hate it here. we get TWO good years and we squander them. its been a downward spiral ever since. But hey, at least we have a new building so we can have overpriced merchandise no real fan can afford. give me a break. this fanbase is the worst. we bang our chests over stupid shit every time. im going into year #8 for the isles, and I have never felt more pessimistic towards a team. I don't even expect them to sign Mikeheyev btw, I just expect the same roster and a retread of Zdeno Chara's rotting corpse on ice who can't get out of any zone. Lou Lamoriello can talk all he wants, but this team is hopeless. should've canned him after trading for Palmieri, because its only getting worse from here. you wanna end up like NJ? keep preaching Lamoriello's lies.

 

[Zeeker]

if we lose sorokin to russia we are back in the dark ages and back to being little brother with zero relevance. i hate it here. we get TWO good years and we squander them. its been a downward spiral ever since. But hey, at least we have a new building so we can have overpriced merchandise no real fan can afford. give me a break. this fanbase is the worst. we bang our chests over stupid shit every time. im going into year #8 for the isles, and I have never felt more pessimistic towards a team. I don't even expect them to sign Mikeheyev btw, I just expect the same roster and a retread of Zdeno Chara's rotting corpse on ice who can't get out of any zone. Lou Lamoriello can talk all he wants, but this team is hopeless. should've canned him after trading for Palmieri, because its only getting worse from here. you wanna end up like NJ? keep preaching Lamoriello's lies.

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Sounds like you need to chill, enjoy the summer, and spend a little less time on this forum if it’s causing you this much frustration.

 

[periferal]

2.5-3 million on a 24-year old with upside is not a major cap hit- I would much rather go that route than pay multi-years on another vet WHO WE KNOW is a 50-pt performer and pay him 5+ million....

We can agree to disagree, but the Perry's and Parises' do nothing for our long term success...we have Zach returning, we don't need another one on the roster....

I have seen enough and read enough about him and I would trade a 3rd round pick tomorrow if I could....

5+ million...How much do you think guys like Perry and Parise make?

Puljujarvi is going to cost 3M+ to have under contract, but most importantly let's be honest...He's a bust. I'd much rather have those vet leaders teaching someone like Wahlstrom (who might be a bust himself), then adding another guy who, despite all his raw talent, has barely shown anything in his career and he actually gets worse during playoff time.

 

[lafellaesobar]

Chill... Veruca! It'll happen, or it won't!

But c'mon remember when you panicked that Lou "forgot" to declare an eligible d-man for the expansion draft.

remember when we were in on Panarin and Landeskog and every big name and settled for a lowly Komarov and Parise? Remember when this team actually tried to get a free agent but didn't because we sucked for three decades? remember when this franchise had respect oh wait we haven't had that since the 80's? cut me a break. younger isles fans got nothing good. isles fans in their 30's/40's got nothing good. all we've seen is endless slaps to the face for having hope. im tired of hearing about our dynasty. im tired of hearing about how awesome Gillies and Bossy and Trottier and Potvin were if I never saw them at all in my life. Im tired of hearing false lies as a fan, getting ourselves ran out of our own building by filthy rangers fans in April. We got so f***ing desperate we cheered for Tampa Bay, a team filled to the brim with dirty players, cheaters, and blatant divers, just so we didn't see them win a cup. Imagine if this franchise wasn't so awful for the past three decades, because this is a boiling point. They want to f***ing take away our best goalie ever over a f***ing war? peak isles bullshit.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

5+ million...How much do you think guys like Perry and Parise make?

Puljujarvi is going to cost 3M+ to have under contract, but most importantly let's be honest...He's a bust. I'd much rather have those vet leaders teaching someone like Wahlstrom (who might be a bust himself), then adding another guy who, despite all his raw talent, has barely shown anything in his career and he actually gets worse during playoff time.

Ok, we disagree. I fully respect adding a Parise or Perry type for 1 million over adding a vet who is going to put up similar numbers for 5+ on a multi-year deal. (Wasn't implying at all that Zach and Corey were making 5 million lol)

Where we obviously disagree is rolling the dice on 1-year and 2-3 million on a 24-year old where many are saying needs a change of scenery; who like I said has good size and has been a plus defensively...

He (29-32-61 in 120 games) has literally put up the same numbers as Beau (27-65-62 in 122 games) the last two seasons....so ya, for a 3rd round pick I would put him into the mix at that price point....

Can't make that declaration of "sure fire bust" on either of the young forwards quite yet...

 

[CupHolders]

remember when we were in on Panarin and Landeskog and every big name and settled for a lowly Komarov and Parise? Remember when this team actually tried to get a free agent but didn't because we sucked for three decades? remember when this franchise had respect oh wait we haven't had that since the 80's? cut me a break. younger isles fans got nothing good. isles fans in their 30's/40's got nothing good. all we've seen is endless slaps to the face for having hope. im tired of hearing about our dynasty. im tired of hearing about how awesome Gillies and Bossy and Trottier and Potvin were if I never saw them at all in my life. Im tired of hearing false lies as a fan, getting ourselves ran out of our own building by filthy rangers fans in April. We got so f***ing desperate we cheered for Tampa Bay, a team filled to the brim with dirty players, cheaters, and blatant divers, just so we didn't see them win a cup. Imagine if this franchise wasn't so awful for the past three decades, because this is a boiling point. They want to f***ing take away our best goalie ever over a f***ing war? peak isles bullshit.

Uhmmm... "this is the way?" Sorry a joke at the expense of your avatar.

But in all seriousnesss... we all come to, and go through life at different levels of mental health. It's not worth taxing your's further over what is essentially just a game. Especially one that comes and goes every season.

Circumstances are not yet set, but even if the worse (from an Islander perspective) were to come to pass... it's still not worth getting frustrated over it. Especially when far more significant and genuine suffering is occurring in the current geopolitical circumstances. With that said, I'm not going to pursue this any further, because it's only going to lead to deletions and/or bans.

But honestly... you should try to get yourself down to neutral at the very least. It's just not worth getting yourself frustrated over it. I mean that earnestly without mocking... that's my attempt at some old bull, young bull kind of zen wisdom!

 

[BelovedIsles]

Bailey has value - isles fans just love to nitpick the heck out of him. Most are just bitter he hasn’t turned out into some franchise player because he was picked in the first round. Remember, most wanted Filatov, the ‘next Bure.’

He’s the Top 3 forward by points in his entire draft class, behind Stamkos and another Isles fan favorite Eberle.

I think he was handled poorly; he should have never been playing significant minutes as an 18 year old. He looked overmatched. Should've been sent back for another year of development with Windsor.

 

[Mike C]

Uhmmm... "this is the way?" Sorry a joke at the expense of your avatar.

But in all seriousnesss... we all come to, and go through life at different levels of mental health. It's not worth taxing your's further over what is essentially just a game. Especially one that comes and goes every season.

Circumstances are not yet set, but even if the worse (from an Islander perspective) were to come to pass... it's still not worth getting frustrated over it. Especially when far more significant and genuine suffering is occurring in the current geopolitical circumstances. With that said, I'm not going to pursue this any further, because it's only going to lead to deletions and/or bans.

But honestly... you should try to get yourself down to neutral at the very least. It's just not worth getting yourself frustrated over it. I mean that earnestly without mocking... that's my attempt at some old bull, young bull kind of zen wisdom!

Sage words of wisdom buddy. (in penalty box for chastising on the Tampa board so I can't give a real "like" )

 

[BrockLobster]

if we lose sorokin to russia we are back in the dark ages and back to being little brother with zero relevance. i hate it here. we get TWO good years and we squander them. its been a downward spiral ever since. But hey, at least we have a new building so we can have overpriced merchandise no real fan can afford. give me a break. this fanbase is the worst. we bang our chests over stupid shit every time. im going into year #8 for the isles, and I have never felt more pessimistic towards a team. I don't even expect them to sign Mikeheyev btw, I just expect the same roster and a retread of Zdeno Chara's rotting corpse on ice who can't get out of any zone. Lou Lamoriello can talk all he wants, but this team is hopeless. should've canned him after trading for Palmieri, because its only getting worse from here. you wanna end up like NJ? keep preaching Lamoriello's lies.

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Hate to break it to you but we will always be the little brother with close to zero relevance. No matter what.

 

[BelovedIsles]

So basically he guessed at any left D that might be available. Gotta love the insight

Yeah, I must say, not really a fan of Kurz. He also doesn't put out enough articles.

 

[Throttle]

I think he was handled poorly; he should have never been playing significant minutes as an 18 year old. He looked overmatched. Should've been sent back for another year of development with Windsor.

I agree. But he was on the roster for his cap hit due to the bonus cushion.

 

[Duanesutter12]

If you think this is anywhere near rock bottom you are definitely a child (which is fine). Trust me this offseason is absolutely nowhere near rock bottom. I can name 20 worse Isles moments in my lifetime easily.

Ah yes, the good ole days when we signed Pierre Marc Bouchard an Peter Regin. What a splash that summer was!

 

[BelovedIsles]

Is Sorokin being stuck in Russia a real threat? If so, that definitely concerns me.

 

[IslesNorway]

Is Sorokin being stuck in Russia a real threat? If so, that definitely concerns me.

No he is not, but the what happened to Fedotov has caused concern that other players might be detained in Russia due to the war.

 

[IslesNorway]

if we lose sorokin to russia we are back in the dark ages and back to being little brother with zero relevance. i hate it here. we get TWO good years and we squander them. its been a downward spiral ever since. But hey, at least we have a new building so we can have overpriced merchandise no real fan can afford. give me a break. this fanbase is the worst. we bang our chests over stupid shit every time. im going into year #8 for the isles, and I have never felt more pessimistic towards a team. I don't even expect them to sign Mikeheyev btw, I just expect the same roster and a retread of Zdeno Chara's rotting corpse on ice who can't get out of any zone. Lou Lamoriello can talk all he wants, but this team is hopeless. should've canned him after trading for Palmieri, because its only getting worse from here. you wanna end up like NJ? keep preaching Lamoriello's lies.

Seems like you really, really need a break, dude. If you think this is the bottom of the barrel, I can assure you it is not. Truly.

Now, this offseason's going to be a bit of either or. Either nothing much will happen and we'll roll with virtually the same team for one last push, or there will be several changes over the summer, for better or worse.
I can assure you that Lou will be active at the draft so that weekend should be a lot of fun. There are always a bunch of trades over those couple of days. What he gets done at the draft will be telling for the rest of the offseason. If he can clear salary, there will be changes and trades. If he cannot, it'll be quiet.

 

[leeroggy]

Jack Bauer

Mitch Rapp or Scott Horvath

 

[leeroggy]

Chill... Veruca! It'll happen, or it won't!

But c'mon remember when you panicked that Lou "forgot" to declare an eligible d-man for the expansion draft.

Julie Dawn Cole - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Had a pretty good career

 

[Top Corner]

Ok, we disagree. I fully respect adding a Parise or Perry type for 1 million over adding a vet who is going to put up similar numbers for 5+ on a multi-year deal. (Wasn't implying at all that Zach and Corey were making 5 million lol)

Where we obviously disagree is rolling the dice on 1-year and 2-3 million on a 24-year old where many are saying needs a change of scenery; who like I said has good size and has been a plus defensively...

He (29-32-61 in 120 games) has literally put up the same numbers as Beau (27-65-62 in 122 games) the last two seasons....so ya, for a 3rd round pick I would put him into the mix at that price point....

Can't make that declaration of "sure fire bust" on either of the young forwards quite yet...

I’m sure everyone here felt Nelson was a bust before he finally had a good coach and developed, many players would feel intimidated playing with superstars like McDavid and Draisaitl ! It doesn’t always mesh. Count me in on Piljujarvi if the cost is right

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

No, we have exactly two wingers on the roster who are that age with that potential and upside (Beau and Wahlstrom) and neither of them have his height or defensive game or have been as analytically sound. It was his subpar postseason that hurt his stock. Not to mention the obvious that he will not command the salary of Beau or Bailey, last season was also the first time he got 16 minutes of ice time in a season, and he is a 20-22-42 kid per82 and that is with barely 14 of it coming with even strength the last two seasons, his only "true" work.

I personally do not think we should trade Beau unless it is for a similar type player with his age and upside or in a package for a "difference maker" and was not advocating trading him straight up for Puljujarvi either.

It is not even remotely the same as paying for a player who has already reached his ceiling and is in fact a 40-50 pt performer and paying him 5+ million a season (our roster is full of such players).

If we cannot get a difference maker, then I repeat young upside players like him are exactly what we should be looking to obtain....

Completely disagree. Beau has actually had some huge moments in the playoffs, whereas this guy as you even admitted was terrible in the playoffs. Furthermore, I have no idea where you got this idea that his defensive game is so good and who cares about his freaking height. If anything, I remember reading stories out of Edmonton after their elimination that said Oilers brass felt Puljujarvi's defensive games we nowhere near good enough to justify him continuing to offensively drag down McDavid's line. I think you are just imagining a different player that what this guy is or for some reason you just really like him. How anybody could be so hyped up over a guy who has never shown anything even close to proof that he is more than a 15 goal 30 point player is really odd to me.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

The NHL is a copycat league.

Right on. The teams that do this end up in mediocrity. Find an identity, doesn't matter what it is, and build around that.

 

[periferal]

Ok, we disagree. I fully respect adding a Parise or Perry type for 1 million over adding a vet who is going to put up similar numbers for 5+ on a multi-year deal. (Wasn't implying at all that Zach and Corey were making 5 million lol)

Where we obviously disagree is rolling the dice on 1-year and 2-3 million on a 24-year old where many are saying needs a change of scenery; who like I said has good size and has been a plus defensively...

He (29-32-61 in 120 games) has literally put up the same numbers as Beau (27-65-62 in 122 games) the last two seasons....so ya, for a 3rd round pick I would put him into the mix at that price point....

Can't make that declaration of "sure fire bust" on either of the young forwards quite yet...

Well lots of us are looking to get rid of Beauvillier so that is notable.

But your philosophy is also telling. There's nothing wrong with it, and even has merit, if....We are NOT trying to win the Cup this year (or maybe in the near future).

We have a bunch of serious holes to fill if we're going to try and make a Cup run again this year. I have serious doubts given our lack of assets and cap space whether they can be fixed, but if we're even going to try then you need to go after guys like Forsberg, Chychryn, etc - Top talents who you know what you're getting.

If you target someone like Puljujarvi, who will cost a valuable asset and will take up about 3M+ of valuable cap, based on a "let's see if a change of scenery helps," then you aren't maximizing your assets/cap space to go for a Cup - You're "trying to cheat" the system and hopefully find a gem because you didn't draft well, don't have a ton of cap, and as a result don't have a lot of options to add talent now as a result.

So I'm not totally against the philosophy of trading for someone like "Puljujarvi" (although I really do think he's a bust), but if we do something like that I think we've officially shut the Cup window and have evolved into the "retooling" or maybe even "rebuilding" phase.

 

[xECK29x]

if we lose sorokin to russia we are back in the dark ages and back to being little brother with zero relevance. i hate it here. we get TWO good years and we squander them. its been a downward spiral ever since. But hey, at least we have a new building so we can have overpriced merchandise no real fan can afford. give me a break. this fanbase is the worst. we bang our chests over stupid shit every time. im going into year #8 for the isles, and I have never felt more pessimistic towards a team. I don't even expect them to sign Mikeheyev btw, I just expect the same roster and a retread of Zdeno Chara's rotting corpse on ice who can't get out of any zone. Lou Lamoriello can talk all he wants, but this team is hopeless. should've canned him after trading for Palmieri, because its only getting worse from here. you wanna end up like NJ? keep preaching Lamoriello's lies.

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Listen buddy if you want to take this to PM any of us here are happy to help but as others said you really should take a step back and disconnect for a few weeks.

 

[saintunspecified]

Is Sorokin being stuck in Russia a real threat? If so, that definitely concerns me.

It's a very different thing for Russia to detain an established player than a non-established player.

My worry is that even established Russian players may not be given visas by Canada or the US. How the Griner detention ultimately goes definitely could result in a cycle of retaliation. I don't know what will happen, but I do think it's a real worry.

But if there are issues with the visas of Russian players, it's going to be as bad or worse for the cross-town rivals.