Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[IslandersFan17]

 

[mm11]

Rumor has it these guys have already been deployed…

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crap, GLG 20's

 

[dlawong]

If the 1st round is not used in a trade this year, then see if there is any prospect with a really high hockey IQ and willingness to play in tough areas (must be a decent skater).

Scoring does not just mean good hands, it means knowing where to go when to shoot and how to surprise the goalies - can't just score one way, need to know different ways to beat the goalies (when to flip a high backhand shot, when to tip, when to deflect, when to go between the legs, and when to bounce if off someone's legs in). One-timer does not always find a way to the net or beat top goalies.

 

[lafellaesobar]

 

[xECK29x]

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Not really funny man it’s a pretty serious and f***ed up situation.

 

[xECK29x]

 

[YearlyLottery]

gonna be a damn quiet offseason lol

y'all get played every single year that we'll do something and we end up doing nada every year. its actually hilarious hearing our pleas to constantly improve, but we'll end up with the same stuff, and keeping Bailey for the sake of game #1000 with the isles. now we have an added fear of losing sorokin to russia just because of Radulov. Hate being a fan of this team. you think you've sunk rock bottom, and then rock bottom comes its face again over and over again. if we lose Sorokin, toss the towel, we'll be 32nd and picking 4th

If you think this is anywhere near rock bottom you are definitely a child (which is fine). Trust me this offseason is absolutely nowhere near rock bottom. I can name 20 worse Isles moments in my lifetime easily.

 

[PK Cronin]

gonna be a damn quiet offseason lol

y'all get played every single year that we'll do something and we end up doing nada every year. its actually hilarious hearing our pleas to constantly improve, but we'll end up with the same stuff, and keeping Bailey for the sake of game #1000 with the isles. now we have an added fear of losing sorokin to russia just because of Radulov. Hate being a fan of this team. you think you've sunk rock bottom, and then rock bottom comes its face again over and over again. if we lose Sorokin, toss the towel, we'll be 32nd and picking 4th

Nobody is expecting anything, and you should probably stop with the doom and gloom before the draft and free agency has started.

 

[Lights911]

I'm fine with using the pick to select a player, but it's going to make Lou's job of improving the team for next season much harder.

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

Who are we going to need to send to get him back - Jack Ryan, John McClane, Pete Mitchell, Rocky Balboa?

Jack Bauer

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

How? I mean just how? Which one of these are you completely overlooking...

1. That he's an RFA and will be getting at least 2.5-3M/year.
2. That he's arbitration eligible.
3. That he's never scored more than 15 goals (or 36 points).

A 2nd round pick is a very good asset and ~3M of cap space is as well. Parise cost zero assets and only 1M of cap space and even now is at least double the player "pool party" is.

I'd sooner trade a 3rd for the rights to Forsberg and try to sign him.




You should get an infraction for reposting this.

It is insane the amount of people on this board who in one breath say we need to stop bringing in middle six grinders and get a real sniper/offensive star, and then in the next breath say our addition should be Puljujarvi, is incomprehensible. This is a guy who was mediocre playing a line with Connor McDavid. So much that the Oilers are essentially saying he is dragging the line down, yet he would be the answer to our offensive woes. I mean you cannot make this stuff up sometimes on this board.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

If we strike out on "difference makers" then guys like Puljujarvi are exactly the ones we should be adding....young (just turned 24) upside guys.

If the reports are true and it will be a marginal return (which tells me about a 3rd rounder) then I would have no problem rolling the dice with him

That is not the same as trading for or adding a veteran free-agent that is a 40-50 pt player for 5+ million when out roster is already full of them....

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

You also have to love how Shesterkin made the smart decision not to go back there but our franchise goalie just had to. Why would anyone want to go back there with what is going on right now in the world.

 

[IslandersFan17]

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Absolutely outstanding response lol. It’s so true and on top of that. Love always sunny

 

[Satan'sIsland81]

If we strike out on "difference makers" then guys like Puljujarvi are exactly the ones we should be adding....young (just turned 24) upside guys.

If the reports are true and it will be a marginal return (which tells me about a 3rd rounder) then I would have no problem rolling the dice with him

That is not the same as trading for or adding a veteran free-agent that is a 40-50 pt player for 5+ million when out roster is already full of them....

The reason it makes no sense is he is no better than what we already have. In fact, the guys we are talking about getting rid of, Bailey, Beau, etc. are all proven to be better than him. The idea just makes no sense, none whatsoever. He has never had more than 15 goals and 36 points in a season. Yet Beauvillier can get 18 goals and 39 points but he is a bust and we should dump him. How can anybody rationally explain that. I would take Beau for all of his flaws every single day of the week over a Puljujarvi.

 

[Zeeker]

If you think this is anywhere near rock bottom you are definitely a child (which is fine).

I like guessing HF user ages based on their posting habits - I’d bet a sizable amount that poster is mid to late teens

 

[lafellaesobar]

Nobody is expecting anything, and you should probably stop with the doom and gloom before the draft and free agency has started.

i want SOMETHING for f***s sake. no more Leo Komarov. No more Zdeno Chara. No more Andy Greene. f***ing SOMETHING.

 

[xECK29x]

i want SOMETHING for f***s sake. no more Leo Komarov. No more Zdeno Chara. No more Andy Greene. f***ing SOMETHING.

Ok we get it, maybe wait on the shit posting until the summer is over and we have a roster mostly set

 

[YearlyLottery]

I like guessing HF user ages based on their posting habits - I’d bet a sizable amount that poster is mid to late teens

I started posting here when I was in 9th grade. Oh that magical shortened season where they ultimately lost to Pittsburgh in game 6. I think as a whole though in society we 100% need to get away from exaggerating to prove our points.

Are the Islanders in a potential shitty spot with Sorokin? Yes. Have I seen MUCH, MUCH worse with this team? Absolutely.

 

[periferal]

If we strike out on "difference makers" then guys like Puljujarvi are exactly the ones we should be adding....young (just turned 24) upside guys.

Could not disagree more.

The entire league is dying for young talent with good size and ability, so there are no secrets there. If a 24 year old hits the market as trade bait because he hasn't made it yet...Then you can be almost certain that's it.

If we strike out on "difference makers," we shouldn't be bringing in guys who will almost certainly be career busts and also have a decent cap hit. Would be much smarter to bring in older vets like Parise or Corey Perry who are at minimum good leaders who play sound defense and can pop in occasional offense...For basically league minimum. I'd rather watch guys like that than glorified "Kvasha's" of the world skate around with no concept and little hope of ever getting one.

 

[periferal]

i want SOMETHING for f***s sake. no more Leo Komarov. No more Zdeno Chara. No more Andy Greene. f***ing SOMETHING.

Andry Green and Chara were far from the problem. If we had a proper top-4 in front of them they had roles they could play fine.

Leo Komarov however was a big problem...Not because of the player, but of the contract. Even at 3M his contract helped create big problems that led to moves like having to deal Toews.

There's no problem signing any player as long as they are worth the contract you're giving them. Yes - I want players like Forsberg too, but there's always values in free agency if you shop right.

And again...It's all about the draft. If you do that correctly then you won't have to worry about trades and free agency.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

The reason it makes no sense is he is no better than what we already have. In fact, the guys we are talking about getting rid of, Bailey, Beau, etc. are all proven to be better than him. The idea just makes no sense, none whatsoever. He has never had more than 15 goals and 36 points in a season. Yet Beauvillier can get 18 goals and 39 points but he is a bust and we should dump him. How can anybody rationally explain that. I would take Beau for all of his flaws every single day of the week over a Puljujarvi.

No, we have exactly two wingers on the roster who are that age with that potential and upside (Beau and Wahlstrom) and neither of them have his height or defensive game or have been as analytically sound. It was his subpar postseason that hurt his stock. Not to mention the obvious that he will not command the salary of Beau or Bailey, last season was also the first time he got 16 minutes of ice time in a season, and he is a 20-22-42 kid per82 and that is with barely 14 of it coming with even strength the last two seasons, his only "true" work.

I personally do not think we should trade Beau unless it is for a similar type player with his age and upside or in a package for a "difference maker" and was not advocating trading him straight up for Puljujarvi either.

It is not even remotely the same as paying for a player who has already reached his ceiling and is in fact a 40-50 pt performer and paying him 5+ million a season (our roster is full of such players).

If we cannot get a difference maker, then I repeat young upside players like him are exactly what we should be looking to obtain....

 

[Skip To My Lou]

Fourth Period hasn't gotten much right since the Tavares situation.

I really don't want to trade the 1st. This team is desperate for hot prospects and youth. Trade next years 1st if you want, but if the goal is to get back in the playoffs next year, I think it's important to take advantage of the poor year we had.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

Could not disagree more.

The entire league is dying for young talent with good size and ability, so there are no secrets there. If a 24 year old hits the market as trade bait because he hasn't made it yet...Then you can be almost certain that's it.

If we strike out on "difference makers," we shouldn't be bringing in guys who will almost certainly be career busts and also have a decent cap hit. Would be much smarter to bring in older vets like Parise or Corey Perry who are at minimum good leaders who play sound defense and can pop in occasional offense...For basically league minimum. I'd rather watch guys like that than glorified "Kvasha's" of the world skate around with no concept and little hope of ever getting one.

2.5-3 million on a 24-year old with upside is not a major cap hit- I would much rather go that route than pay multi-years on another vet WHO WE KNOW is a 50-pt performer and pay him 5+ million....

We can agree to disagree, but the Perry's and Parises' do nothing for our long term success...we have Zach returning, we don't need another one on the roster....

I have seen enough and read enough about him and I would trade a 3rd round pick tomorrow if I could....

 

[MJF]

Nobody is expecting anything, and you should probably stop with the doom and gloom before the draft and free agency has started.

I’m expecting Lou to make a “hockey trade”