Pelech, Pageau, Wahlstrom, 1st ++ for Chychrun, Tarasenko, Pinto
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Pelech, Pageau, Wahlstrom, 1st ++ for Chychrun, Tarasenko, Pinto
The Wahligator
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Strangely, I actually feel like if the Isles were to manage a trade where the principle assets were Pinto for 2024 1st… it would almost set up the Isles even better for a retool this summer.
Isles can make another playoff run. Failing that, they still have a player in Pinto that can possibly be a long-term second line replacement. Isles would this offseason have players closer to UFA years, making them easier to move. Nelson and Palmieri can be moved for picks if you really want to go that route. Lou won’t though. But maybe he moves upstairs and it’s no longer his call?
Either way, put me down for moving this year’s first for a player like Pinto. Essentially another Romanov trade, which has turned out wonderfully!
Isles can make another playoff run. Failing that, they still have a player in Pinto that can possibly be a long-term second line replacement. Isles would this offseason have players closer to UFA years, making them easier to move. Nelson and Palmieri can be moved for picks if you really want to go that route. Lou won’t though. But maybe he moves upstairs and it’s no longer his call?
Either way, put me down for moving this year’s first for a player like Pinto. Essentially another Romanov trade, which has turned out wonderfully!
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Lots of coaches haven't agreed with me.
Worth noting, Roy didn't exactly have a lot of runway to evaluate things. Changing things up to get a look at different combinations or giving players a ton of time to find their game isn't something he's been able to do.
Just wait until they lose today, then we'll want to trade everyone.
I'm find with a trade if it's for a long term piece. No rentals. I'd also be fine if he traded someone with term and "sold" a little bit.
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Also, looks like Wally is the odd man out. hopefully another team loved him pre draft and feels they can get him going.
Wally + for Pinto. I’d be ok with something like that.
Wally + for Pinto. I’d be ok with something like that.
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I don't see how you're getting anything more than a low 2nd/high 3rd for Wahlstrom. I'm sure that a handful of teams were out on him even before the 2018 draft as their scouts determined what has now been proven - That he's just not that smart.
And it's also clear to other teams' that despite the Isles being so desperate for scoring, Wahlstrom's 6'2/211lb frame and elite shot has been a healthy scratch essentially half the season.
That is the furthest thing from good.
The most likely teams that might be interested would probably be Arizona or Montreal since both are rebuilding and have tons of picks, so no downside for them to see if a change of scenery unlocks that shot. Plus Montreal seems to like taking on other teams' 1st rounders with upside as they did with Newhook & Dach.
That said Wahlstrom just has barely any value, so dangling and expecting anything back of value that moves the needle is foolhardy.
And it's also clear to other teams' that despite the Isles being so desperate for scoring, Wahlstrom's 6'2/211lb frame and elite shot has been a healthy scratch essentially half the season.
That is the furthest thing from good.
The most likely teams that might be interested would probably be Arizona or Montreal since both are rebuilding and have tons of picks, so no downside for them to see if a change of scenery unlocks that shot. Plus Montreal seems to like taking on other teams' 1st rounders with upside as they did with Newhook & Dach.
That said Wahlstrom just has barely any value, so dangling and expecting anything back of value that moves the needle is foolhardy.
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Wahlstrom has value in two ways:
1. a team may legitimately feel that next year when he's 1+ years out from a major injury he could take a major step forward; and
2. Worst case, he provides cover to a GM up front as part of a package. Remember when the Isles got Horvat the VC GM went public with, "it's like we got 3 first rounders for Horvat" (ie., they got a 1st round pick, Beau was a former 1st round pick, and Raty was "like" a 1st round pick). Wahlstrom as an add-on allows a GM to say that they got a former top 15 pick as part of the package for X. That actually counts for something, FWIW, even if he bombs out in a couple of years.
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He did say something that raised the possibility of not making a deal until the last minute. That's interesting in and of itself, since Lou in the past has made trades in advance of the TDL (even last year with Horvat). If Lou waits for the last minute, it could be holding out for prices to come down. However, that makes it less likely we're talking about a major, complicated deal.
Barry wouldn’t have hired Roy, and would have kept Lane.
For the TDL, I’m hopin isles just stand pat. No adds, no subtracts.
Let it ride.
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Haven't you been paying attention? Lou is going to trade the 1st round pick for some guy and then sign him to a 7 year extension.
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I hope you're right of course, but it's apparent that Wahlstrom's main issue is not injury related. He's healthy enough to play now (and was certainly 2 years ago), and it still can't crack in the lineup - When we're desperate for scoring.
Of course there's no downside for another team to give up a 3rd rounder for Wahlstrom as if he doesn't pan out it's no big loss.
That said viewing Wahlstrom as having more value because he was a "former 1st rounder" is kind of a joke. NHL GM's aren't fantasy football players. Each front office consists of multiple excutives and scouts who review all NHL players and prospects as a full-time job. If Lou traded a Nelson for a 1st and Jesse Puljujärvi would you feel great about him getting two "1st round picks?"
Very disappointed that it's come to this point with Wahlstrom, but it's clear he's not going to make it here (and most likely anywhere). Thus if Lou gets anywhere around a 3rd (or he's part of a deal for a top player), then that's a deal that should be made.
I think they might. Doesn’t sound like Lou wants to subtract. Maybe a dman because of the Mayfield injury. Maybe some center depth for an injury. They might ride with what they got..
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So based on the quote below you think it's possible he's going to sell this week?
Well since labels are so important to you, no i don't think we will be sellers but you've got to be old enough at this point to have heard the phrase, "addition by subtraction". That completely leaves the door open for some kind of move other than just shipping out a 1st for a roster upgrade. I have no idea why everything is so dramatic in your world. Usually people grow out of that when they hit their late 20s.
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I'm convinced NHL GMs absolutely will get a guy in a package (by package I'm talking 3 or more assets) mostly as a means of selling the deal to the fanbase. They may hope the guy pans out, just like posters here say "hey, why not" when talking about some guy on waivers. But in reality, they mostly just want something to sell to the fans, especially if they're forced into a situation where they have to trade a guy.
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His value is number 2 in that scenario - he’s marketing essentially. He was drafted under the older pre-Covid, nhl. He maybe could have worked in that model, but now, no way, he doesn’t have the hockey sense on where to go and too slow to recover on anything. He’s toast.
Doug McLean when on Sportsnet used to talk about the marketing part of trades, in that getting a former 1st rounder, even if he sucked, was always received well by the fans.
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Wahlstrom only has value as a makeshift, but he doesn't move the needle either way. At this point it's more a case og getting rid of a player to open a roster spot than think of any form of value for him. If they can ship him out for a good PKer that's what I'd do. If they Isles are to make the playoffs and go anywhere, they need a much better PK.
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